Volvoclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:29 pm

Having lost my Mum and my daughter in law being on a ventilator for weeks through this virus, I'm with you all the way Lancaster.

Sorry to hear this. It must be horrendous reading through some of the rubbish and wilful ignorance that's being spouted on this thread.

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:13 pm

Ok

Its a discussion between a load of Burnley fans, none of whom are vaccine experts, about taking the vaccine

Some of them think they are experts because they use Dr Google

Everybody else is desperately trying not to tell them that they are f**king insane because they use Dr Google when thousands of experts are telling everyone that its safer than catching the actual disease

That help?

Hi Lancs, are you sure they are consulting Dr Google? My guess is its more likely Facebook and Twitter (please add your pronouns and qualifications of choice).

Volvoclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:29 pm

Having lost my Mum and my daughter in law being on a ventilator for weeks through this virus, I'm with you all the way Lancaster.

Another adding my support, Volvoclaret.

Fair point Paul

They are consulting Dr (not a real doctor) Makes load of money from retweets and clicks

Jesus. To imply a causal link between vaccines and a perceived increased frequency of medical emergencies in football grounds.

Murger wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:43 pm

You could always read it.

I will do later. Have you mate?

joey13 wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:26 am

So does paracetamol

As does recreational drugs, smoking, alcohol, stress, the list goes on.

We have no idea what these people suffering these heart issues inside stadia personal circumstances are so I'm with you Joey.

It's wild speculation that it's down to Covid without the scientific evidence to prove it.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:31 pm

The difference is paracetamol has been used for 50+ years, the long term effects are clear to all. For all you know, this vaccine could knock 30 years off 50% of people's life, it hasn't stood the ultimate test yet, the test of time.

I know it's cool to be a complete sheep these days and just repeat ''well the government said so'' or ''the newspaper told me it's true''. I'd like to see with my own eyes though, I'm not anti vaccine, I've had other vaccines.

So wait a generation to see if a vaccine works

https://newsthump.com/2020/12/02/i-dont ... XyWanYiW8k

Billy Balfour wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:01 pm

I was reading a 'stating the bleeding obvious' report yesterday. Basically, the data and conclusion said that areas with low educational attainment levels have the lowest vaccine take up rates.

It didn't need a report, though. You can see this by looking at the vaccine map.

That’s certainly the case across my friend group, didn’t like to say it but it is.

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:10 pm

Let’s not mention what could be causing it though....

Is it also linked to the increasing amount of pitch invaders this season?

I see some "friends" on Facebook spouting the apparent dangers of the vaccines.

Then I recall them from school and their general absolute dimwittery- and I ignore or block.

Only link i can see is there is a direct correlation between lack of intellect and the belief that vaccines are bad.

Heart problems could actually be Post Pandemic Stress Disorder (PPSD) which is apparently a real thing:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/ ... 69436.html

RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:43 am

Really don't understand why you want to introduce Lawrence fox into what I said, other than a strawman job.

However, it's still a fact that Israeli Ministry of Health. CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices
CNN, The American Heart Association And the WHO have all reported/or are concerned with the link between vaccines and heart problems.

As I said previously, Covid-19 causing heart issues and the vaccines causing heart issues isn't mutually exclusive .

I was just answering the question about who's saying Covid-19 doesn't include increased risk of heart attacks. There's a whole variety of nutters out there who want to blame the vaccine for absolutely everything.

There does appear to be a possible link to heart problems with the vaccine but this is many orders of magnitude smaller than the possible effects of Covid which is what a lot of the anti-vaxxers seem desperate to ignore.

Before the Covid virus was around the Clarets scored yet another goal on the way to yet another victory. Whilst celebrating I felt dizzy and slightly nauseous and had to sit down immediately. Fortunately my turn passed without further incident, it was one of several over a number of years which I thought was hearing/balance related.

Less than a year later I had 2 stents fitted in my chest in an Emergency procedure after feeling uncomfortable for a while and seeking advice. My Left Anterior Descending artery was 95% blocked, I had suffered a Heart Attack but put it down to a bit of cramp in my chest!

Following the recent incidents I feel VERY lucky not to have been in the same situation because I was a proverbial 'ticking bomb'. Any time, any place, anywhere and at any age!

JohnMac wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 03, 2021 8:46 pm

Before the Covid virus was around the Clarets scored yet another goal on the way to yet another victory. Whilst celebrating I felt dizzy and slightly nauseous and had to sit down immediately. Fortunately my turn passed without further incident, it was one of several over a number of years which I thought was hearing/balance related.

Less than a year later I had 2 stents fitted in my chest in an Emergency procedure after feeling uncomfortable for a while and seeking advice. My Left Anterior Descending artery was 95% blocked, I had suffered a Heart Attack but put it down to a bit of cramp in my chest!

Following the recent incidents I feel VERY lucky not to have been in the same situation because I was a proverbial 'ticking bomb'. Any time, any place, anywhere and at any age!

Hi JohnMac, hope you are doing well now! I was playing 5-a-side (62) when I felt a "bit off" - it was Feb, a cold night - I thought I might have a chest infection. Like you, it was a "silent" heart attack - none of the pain in the arm/shoulder/chest that people often speak about. I was lucky, one of the guys I was playing with had had heart surgery (he was late 30s and collapsed while playing football - woke up in hospital with a "zipper" down his chest). He recognised something in the way I looked and took me to A&E...

I wonder how many who post on here have two stents in their coronary arteries?

More than half who die of Covid-19 under 50 are unvaccinated
Kat Lay, Health Editor | Ali Mitib, Friday December 03 2021, 12.01am, The Times

More than half of people under 50 who die from the coronavirus are unvaccinated, according to new data.

NHS staff have said they are frustrated by unvaccinated patients, who make up 57 per cent of Covid deaths among the under-50s, taking up beds and preventing others from being treated.

Figures from the UK Health Security Agency showed that in the four weeks to November 28, 19 per cent of people who died within 28 days of a positive Covid-19 test were unvaccinated.

However, in younger people, more unvaccinated than vaccinated people died. This is because the vast majority of deaths are in older age groups, which have higher rates of vaccine uptake.

Professor David Spiegelhalter, chairman of the Winton Centre for Risk and Evidence Communication at Cambridge University, said: “Seat-belts provide an analogy. Most car fatalities are wearing seat-belts, which just reflects that nearly everyone wears them and they don’t provide perfect protection.”

About 96 per cent of people in their eighties have had two vaccine doses, compared with only 68 per cent of people in their early thirties. There were 3,571 deaths reported in the latest four-week period, 2,620 in people older than 70. Only 156 were under 50.

Nicki Credland, chairwoman of the British Association of Critical Care Nurses, said: “Staff feel frustrated with this . . . [intensive care] is in for a very difficult winter and it is very hard to cope with when some admissions could have been avoided.”

Antony Ayiotis, 38, refused to be vaccinated because he felt he “didn’t go out” enough to need it. The father of four from Romford died from Covid-19 on September 17.

His sister, Stacie Ayiotis, 36, told The Times that if she could go back in time she would tell him to get vaccinated. “His partner was vaccinated and they slept in the same bed,” she said. “He ended up dying and she didn’t catch it.”