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Post by arise_sir_charge » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:09 am

Stuff like “can’t believe Newcastle didn’t buy him” is a bit daft.

It infers that whenever a team sell a player they can’t replace him with one that’s better which is of course nonsense.
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Post by Pearcey » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:18 am

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:09 am
Stuff like “can’t believe Newcastle didn’t buy him” is a bit daft.

It infers that whenever a team sell a player they can’t replace him with one that’s better which is of course nonsense.
It’s also daft that our best premier league striker by some distance still gets called rubbish.

Weghorst has had 3 seasons in the Bundesliga and has done well. Other than that he was in the Dutch League playing for the smaller sides. If he turns out to be a good un then great but I certainly won’t be saying he’s better than Chris Wood at the moment.
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Post by jedi_master » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:18 am

Good record, target man so a direct replacement for Wood, experience at European and International level - you cannot say it's not an ambitious target. He's a square peg for a square hole, probably what we need right now rather than some inexperienced 21 year old like Dieng etc that were previously mentioned.

We do need a central midfielder though - but if we were able to bring in Weghorst on a reasonable deal that isn't overpriced (or loan to buy), as well as a top quality (for us) CM, the team suddenly looks quite strong, in my opinion. Just imagine, if possible:

-------------------------------Pope
-----------------Tarkowski---------Mee
Roberts-----------------------------------------Taylor
--------------Westwood---------Ramsey
--McNeil----------------Cornet-------------Orsic
------------------------Weghorst

Crosses being flung in from either flank for the big bloke, Cornet buzzing around in a free role, Ramsey probing from central midfield - it sounds attractive (although question marks perhaps on Ramsey in a midfield two). I appreciate that at this point this looks far fetched, but if nobody else comes in for Ramsey, who knows? There is goals in that team.

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Post by KRBFC » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:25 am

Pearcey wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:18 am
It’s also daft that our best premier league striker by some distance still gets called rubbish.

Weghorst has had 3 seasons in the Bundesliga and has done well. Other than that he was in the Dutch League playing for the smaller sides. If he turns out to be a good un then great but I certainly won’t be saying he’s better than Chris Wood at the moment.
AZ smaller side? do you damn research
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Post by arise_sir_charge » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:25 am

Pearcey wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:18 am
It’s also daft that our best premier league striker by some distance still gets called rubbish.

Weghorst has had 3 seasons in the Bundesliga and has done well. Other than that he was in the Dutch League playing for the smaller sides. If he turns out to be a good un then great but I certainly won’t be saying he’s better than Chris Wood at the moment.
3 good seasons in Bundesliga is good going, Wood had 4 ‘good’ seasons in the Prem so similar to some extent.

I’ve never seen him play so can’t comment but the bare facts that he’s a full international, scores goals at a high level and looks to fit our system mean he will do for me.

Anyway all that said, my point was more around why Newcastle didn’t buy him.
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Post by CrosspoolClarets » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:26 am

Weghorst:

Strengths: Aerial Duels, Key Passing, Headed Attempts, Finishing.
Weaknesses: Defensive contribution, Offside often
Style: Likes flick ons, does not dive into tackles

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/11547 ... t-Weghorst

Chris Wood:

Strengths: Aerial Duels, Headed Attempts
Weaknesses: Defensive contribution, Passing, Holding onto the ball
Style: Likes flick ons, does not dive into tackles, likes short passes

Almost like a mini (or maxi) me between the two of them. Although not mentioning “offside often” for Wood surely means the site is talking cobblers.

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Post by BLH_Claret » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:29 am

KRBFC wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:25 am
AZ smaller side? do you damn research
Yep, AZ are probably the 4th wealthiest club in the Netherlands. A good side for years.

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Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:34 am

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:25 am
3 good seasons in Bundesliga is good going, Wood had 4 ‘good’ seasons in the Prem so similar to some extent.

I’ve never seen him play so can’t comment but the bare facts that he’s a full international, scores goals at a high level and looks to fit our system mean he will do for me.

Anyway all that said, my point was more around why Newcastle didn’t buy him.
2 things. In for him in the Autumn. they had a question about whether he’d qualify for a WP with the new Brexit rules, and then he picked up an injury. So didn’t pursue. This was Newcastle pre Saudi FC.

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Post by RVclaret » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:37 am

Andy Jones latest piece for the Athletic suggesting Orsic (obviously) then a striker is likely the only business we’ll be doing. Striker is a current international playing overseas (could this be Weghorst). Says we are fully focused on those two deals right now.

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Post by NewClaret » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:37 am

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:26 am

Almost like a mini (or maxi) me between the two of them. Although not mentioning “offside often” for Wood surely means the site is talking cobblers.
Occasionally onside would be a better description for Wood.

The analysis video posted on the previous page compliments his defensive work/tracking back.
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Post by Pearcey » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:37 am

KRBFC wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:25 am
AZ smaller side? do you damn research
Calm down with the aggression fella. AZ are small compared to PSV, Ajax and Feyenoord.
As for Bundesliga player who haven’t scored in the premier league I give you Havertz and Werner. If we sign Weghorst I’ll judge him if he scores goals.

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Post by KRBFC » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:40 am

BLH_Claret wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:29 am
Yep, AZ are probably the 4th wealthiest club in the Netherlands. A good side for years.
Yup, certainly not Dutch minnows. have they not finished 2nd the last 2 years? Could've won the league had Covid not stopped it

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Post by NewClaret » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:40 am

This would be excellent. I’m excited.

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Post by boatshed bill » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:41 am

NewClaret wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:37 am
Occasionally onside would be a better description for Wood.


I like this comment very much :D
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Post by BLH_Claret » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:45 am

KRBFC wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:40 am
Yup, certainly not Dutch minnows. have they not finished 2nd the last 2 years? Could've won the league had Covid not stopped it
Qualified for Europe 13 times since 2005, including Champions League and regularly top 4 finish. Missed out on championship to Ajax on points average due to COVID 2 years ago.
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Post by NewClaret » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:45 am

Weghorst follows Burnley on instagram. Make of that what you will.

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Post by Pearcey » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:47 am

BLH_Claret wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:45 am
Qualified for Europe 13 times since 2005, including Champions League and regularly top 4 finish. Missed out on championship to Ajax on points average due to COVID 2 years ago.
So have Celtic.

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Post by KRBFC » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:48 am

Pearcey wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:47 am
So have Celtic.
Imagine comparing Dutch football with the Scottish PL
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Post by CFS » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:53 am

Done deals from what I'm hearing.
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Post by minnieclaret » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:53 am

Steddyman wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:03 am
Oh all the things mentioned in this thread, this is something I can agree with 100%.
Check the posted time and it is factually wrong. Today is Thursday.

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Post by Pearcey » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:53 am

KRBFC wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:48 am
Imagine comparing Dutch football with the Scottish PL
Imagine judging a side on their record of qualifying for Europe. Dutch football is nowhere near the top leagues.

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Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:53 am

KRBFC wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:52 am
really not good? Where on earth do you get that from? Carroll has never scored 20 goals in his damn life. Prolific goalscoring record with a better all around game than Chris Wood.
Firstly, I said he's a better option than Carroll. I've no idea where you are getting anything other than that from.

I don't rate him based on when I've seen him play for Holland and for Wolfsburg, but he is tall, he is good in the air and he's fairly mobile for a big lad, but I question at 29 if he's going to be an improvement on what we already have and will he be able to make enough of a difference in the five months he's going to have

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Post by BLH_Claret » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:53 am

KRBFC wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:48 am
Imagine comparing Dutch football with the Scottish PL
Yes. Absolutely no comparison at all, it’s not the strongest European league the Ere Divisie but to compare to Scotland is ridiculous. Scotland have Rangers and Celtic as the competitive sides, Ere Divisie has PSV, Feyenoord, Ajax, Utrecht, Vitesse, Heerenveen and Alkmaar with a few of others tending to be competitive occasionally.

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Post by KRBFC » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:54 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:53 am
Firstly, I said he's a better option than Carroll. I've no idea where you are getting anything other than that from.

I don't rate him based on when I've seen him play for Holland and for Wolfsburg, but he is tall, he is good in the air and he's fairly mobile for a big lad, but I question at 29 if he's going to be an improvement on what we already have and will he be able to make enough of a difference in the five months he's going to have
What do we already have to improve on? Vydra on the surgery table, Barnes nowhere near fit and Rodriguez who's scored 1 goal in the last god knows how many years.

You make it sound like we're full of options of real quality...... we're down to the absolute bare bones upfront
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Post by KRBFC » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:56 am

Pearcey wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:53 am
Imagine judging a side on their record of qualifying for Europe. Dutch football is nowhere near the top leagues.
You're absolutely way off, come back with knowledge and maybe I'll take you seriously.

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Post by Pearcey » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:57 am

KRBFC wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:56 am
You're absolutely way off, come back with knowledge and maybe I'll take you seriously.
Ok fella. You keep believing what you want to believe.

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Post by KRBFC » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:57 am

Ajax have absolutely crushed the UCL this season and they weren't even top of the Dutch league until 3 days ago

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Post by Pearcey » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:59 am

KRBFC wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:57 am
Ajax have absolutely crushed the UCL this season and they weren't even top of the Dutch league until 3 days ago
Chelsea ‘crushed’ the UCL last year. Where did they finish?

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:59 am

KRBFC wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:56 am
You're absolutely way off, come back with knowledge and maybe I'll take you seriously.
Let’s stop pretending like the Dutch league is a top league.

Bang average league.
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Post by claretspice » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:59 am

DCWat wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:44 am
I’m hoping that we aim for some a bit younger - of course we need people for the here and now, but I’d much prefer we look to buy players that we can move on for a profit, should they perform well and should the need arise.
Just like Orsic, whether Weighorst is a good investment for our money depends on the fee. If we're paying a fee that is at all comparable to that payable for a younger player with even a broadly comparable CV, then I think this is a fair point. But if the fee is lower, then I think this is a bit moot. So far as I can see, there's no suggestion been given as to the fee Weighorst would command so it's all speculative at this point.

Weighorst is 6 or 7 months younger than Wood. Orsic is a year younger than Wood. If we're bringing both of them in and still having, say, £7m left over from selling Wood, I think we can probably overstate the age thing on this occasion - however valid the general point.

One thing about both Weighborst and Orsic - they both appear from their CVs relatively late bloomers. These are players who have done the hard yards in their 20s and who have only latterly got the chance to go to the biggest stage. Dyche has always liked that sort of player because they tend to appreciate what they've got and give absolutely everything to make the most of what they've been given. It can be true that they go on longer too, because they want to extract every last moment at the top level.

I still think though that whilst strikers and wingers are important, we need to invest in the centre of the pitch before the window is done. Our biggest problem this season has been our composure and quality on the ball, and relatively few of the players we've been linked with latterly will address that. If we don't, then we'll be in big trouble.
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Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:00 am

KRBFC wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:54 am
What do we already have to improve on? Vydra on the surgery table, Barnes nowhere near fit and Rodriguez who's scored 1 goal in the last god knows how many years.

You make it sound like we're full of options of real quality...... we're down to the absolute bare bones upfront
No thats not what I said

Look, if you are going to be full on KRBFC and be a total t**t because I've called you out for your constant s**t, then this is just wasting time

You've already made up stuff based on what you think I've said, rather than what I've actually said, and you are ignoring anything I've put explaining why I posted what I posted

Its well weird, but whatever floats your boat I guess

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Post by KRBFC » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:01 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:59 am
Let’s stop pretending like the Dutch league is a top league.

Bang average league.
It's not the PL, Serie A or La Liga. It's light years ahead of Scottish football though
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Post by KRBFC » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:02 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:00 am
No thats not what I said

Look, if you are going to be full on KRBFC and be a total t**t because I've called you out for your constant s**t, then this is just wasting time

You've already made up stuff based on what you think I've said, rather than what I've actually said, and you are ignoring anything I've put explaining why I posted what I posted

Its well weird, but whatever floats your boat I guess
Word for word this is what you said

''but I question at 29 if he's going to be an improvement on what we already have ''

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Post by KRBFC » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:04 am

They were your words, I didn't add anything to those words to put stuff in your mouth, I didn't make it up either, you typed that.

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Post by Steddyman » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:04 am

Goobs wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:05 am
I disagree. Tomorrow is Friday.
Shi*t. Timing is everything.

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Post by RVclaret » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:04 am

claretspice wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:59 am
I still think though that whilst strikers and wingers are important, we need to invest in the centre of the pitch before the window is done. Our biggest problem this season has been our composure and quality on the ball, and relatively few of the players we've been linked with latterly will address that. If we don't, then we'll be in big trouble.
Agree but it doesn’t seem a priority according to reports that suggests Orsic + a striker could be the only business we do.

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Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:05 am

KRBFC wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:02 am
Word for word this is what you said

''but I question at 29 if he's going to be an improvement on what we already have ''
I was referring to the Andy Carroll stuff you made up in your head

And you are still ignoring what I said about his good points

I mean, if you are trying to come across as an argumentative troll then you are nailing it!

Anyway, it depends on the fee

He's clearly available and we need a striker better than the Andy Carroll option

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Post by Rileybobs » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:07 am

NewClaret wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:45 am
Weghorst follows Burnley on instagram. Make of that what you will.
Must be a done deal then.

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Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:08 am

Quick trolling through twitter and he's been linked with us, Newcastle (shock!), Spurs and Arsenal

That Ryan Taylor chap says his representatives are talking to "premier league clubs, one of which is believed to be Burnley"

Hmmmm

But all of them are quoting the Daily Mail article. There isn't anything other than that
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Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:09 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:07 am
Must be a done deal then.
Maybe he's a fan of our style?

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Post by RVclaret » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:09 am

Ryan Taylor (Express) on Twitter: Had confirmation reps of Wolfsburg striker Wout Weghorst are in talks with clubs from Premier League. One understood to be #BurnleyFC. Further discussions expected to take place today. 18 months left on contract in Germany.

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Post by KRBFC » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:11 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:05 am
I was referring to the Andy Carroll stuff you made up in your head

And you are still ignoring what I said about his good points

I mean, if you are trying to come across as an argumentative troll then you are nailing it!

Anyway, it depends on the fee

He's clearly available and we need a striker better than the Andy Carroll option
I'm not ignoring your good points, I'm not looking to be an argumentative troll, I'm not editing your posts, I'm specifically arguing the point you made

''but I question at 29 if he's going to be an improvement on what we already have ''

I'd say Weghorst at 29 is absolutely an improvement on what we already have and I question, what on earth do we already have?
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Post by jedi_master » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:13 am

Put it this way, I’d rather our team with Orsic and Weghorst in it compared to our team with Wood and Gudmundsson in it.

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Post by Woodleyclaret » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:16 am

Everybody remembers Van Persie and Van Ristleroi but there are just as many Dutch flops who came to England and failed
Let's hope this fellow is like the former.

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Re: January 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

Post by Pearcey » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:16 am

jedi_master wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:13 am
Put it this way, I’d rather our team with Orsic and Weghorst in it compared to our team with Wood and Gudmundsson in it.
I sincerely hope you turn out to be right.

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Re: January 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:17 am

KRBFC wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:11 am
I'm not ignoring your good points, I'm not looking to be an argumentative troll, I'm not editing your posts, I'm specifically arguing the point you made

''but I question at 29 if he's going to be an improvement on what we already have ''

I'd say Weghorst at 29 is absolutely an improvement on what we already have and I question, what on earth do we already have?
"I question"

Unlike some posters on here, I don't pretend that I'm always right

We have Vydra, Rodriguez, Barnes and Cornet up front at the moment as options (I take your point that we are not sure how fit Barnes is going to be)

Cornet is clearly more than good enough, and we've seen in patches that the other three can be (though again, its not been for at least a season for Vydra and Jay, and longer than that for Barnes)

"I question" whether he's an improvement on those options, and to go into further detail, I wouldn't "question" it if the fee was £10 million, but I would if the fee was £20 million

Now, if you'd like to explain to me where you got the Andy Carroll stuff from I'm all ears

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Re: January 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

Post by Tall Paul » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:17 am

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:16 am
Everybody remembers Van Persie and Van Ristleroi but there are just as many Dutch flops who came to England and failed
Let's hope this fellow is like the former.
I doubt many remember Van Ristleroi. I definitely don't.
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Re: January 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

Post by jedi_master » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:18 am

Pearcey wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:16 am
I sincerely hope you turn out to be right.
Wood was a great signing for us, but I’m describing the Wood of 2017-August 2021 with that statement. It had gone stale, he wasn’t performing - we won’t miss the Wood of THIS season.

Just my opinion!
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Re: January 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

Post by claretgoss » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:19 am

NewClaret wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:45 am
Weghorst follows Burnley on instagram. Make of that what you will.
He follows half the Premier League teams to be fair (as well as Chris Wood 😬) So wouldn't take that as much of a sign.

Sounds like he'd be a very good addition though!

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Re: January 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

Post by ClaretFelix » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:21 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:59 am
Let’s stop pretending like the Dutch league is a top league.

Bang average league.
Yet we're wetting our knickers about a player from the Croatian league???

For what it's worth, I think both would be astute signings provided we aren't breaking the bank. Both clearly have experience form a number of league and represent their country at international level.
Like many others though, I'd like to see an additional central midfielder too, preferably with a bit of mobility and athleticism

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