January 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[KRBFC]

Our issue has been we haven't had a focal point with any kind of quality and we've been playing with 10 men with Gudmundsson.

[Firthy]

Pope
Roberts Collins Mee Taylor
Mcneil Fofana Ramsey Orsic
Cornet Weghorst


Looks pretty good to me

That really is wishful thinking. No way will we get Fofana or Ramsey, in fact I doubt we will even sign a midfielder. I think Orsic and Weghorn will be our lot. Both good signings and a younger pacier midfielder would be the icing on the cake but can't see it.

[Lancasterclaret]

Just need to repeat that if we replace Wood with these two plus cash left over (which seems to be the case) then its been good business

Might not save us like, but it does help the squad rebuild that has been desperately needed

[Colburn_Claret]

They should be thrown straight in against Watford - neither will have a better opportunity for hitting the ground running than playing the (in my opinion) worst team in the league at home.

Good opportunity for Weghorst to break his duck early doors.

I agree 100%, but you just know it isn't SDs style.
They'll have to prove themselves to be 'match fit', whatever that is in his eyes. I just hope his stubbornness, and he is stubborn, doesn't come back to bite us on the arse.

[tiger76]

Not necessarily from one player. Our issue in the past is that we’ve been far too reliant on Wood for goals - very little from anywhere else.

Including Cornet we’ve replaced him with three internationals with goal scoring pedigree, and in Cornets case he’s already proven to score more goals per game than Wood.

Spot on it's always been a concern that we've become over reliant on Wood, and if the goals are spread more equally throughout the squad all the better.

Wood has been a great player for us, but the signs are he's now on a downward path, and for that crazy money Newcastle are welcome to him.

[dibraidio]

Top goalscorers last season:
Wood 12
Barnes 3

Top goalscorers this season so far:
Cornet 6
Wood 3

Strikes me that Wood's replacement for goals only has six to get for us to be on a par with last year

You can add 6 goals from Jay and Vydra to last season (3 each).

Last season we scored 33 times, this season we have scored 16, that's a very similar ratio of goals per game. The season before we scored 43 to match that scoring rate over the remaining games we need to score 23 in the remain 20 games. For me that's the sort of target we need to be hitting AND keeping clean sheets if we're to get ourselves out of trouble.

[Firthy]

Just need to repeat that if we replace Wood with these two plus cash left over (which seems to be the case) then its been good business

Might not save us like, but it does help the squad rebuild that has been desperately needed

Well hopefully after these two signings with £8m leftover from the Wood sale and the money supposed available previously we should be able to bring in a £10-12m midfielder as the very least but if money is as tight as rumours suggest then maybe it won't happen.

[KRBFC]

You can add 6 goals from Jay and Vydra to last season (3 each).

Last season we scored 33 times, this season we have scored 16, that's a very similar ratio of goals per game. The season before we scored 43 to match that scoring rate over the remaining games we need to score 23 in the remain 20 games. For me that's the sort of target we need to be hitting AND keeping clean sheets if we're to get ourselves out of trouble.

Jay scored 1 goal last year

[Colburn_Claret]

It’s a fair point. Have they got any central midfielders they can lend us?

The way I see it is Uniteds biggest problem is they have NO natural wingers and 15 midfielders. If they can't find one of them wanting to go out on loan, to get some game time, then it just highlights the mire that ManUre is in.

[minnieclaret]

That’s not the point I’m making
People are saying he has a bad disciplinary record.
He’s had 2 red cards in his career, 1 of which was against us.
If he hadn’t had that red card against us, there wouldn’t have been half as many comments of his perceived bad record as there have been

Carroll has undoubtedly got nastier has his skills have diminished. I can't see that improving. Thankfully he’s going elsewhere.

[KRBFC]

Ramsey loan deal seems to be still on the table? maybe he'll accept us on deadline day if bigger sides don't come in for him. I assume that's what he's waiting for

[spt_claret]

I agree 100%, but you just know it isn't SDs style.
They'll have to prove themselves to be 'match fit', whatever that is in his eyes. I just hope his stubbornness, and he is stubborn, doesn't come back to bite us on the arse.

Cornet went in almost straight away and has played wherever possible when fit.
Defour went in straight away and played whenever possible when fit.
Barton went in straight away both spells.
Dyche can be inflexible and stubborn (especially mid match with his reluctance to change tactics via substitutions) but in fairness we have rarely had players coming in with a pedigree significantly better than current players, Vydra had a great championship record but not higher and Jay had been injury plagued for some time. Orsic and Weghorst are a different matter.

[Gordaleman]

Well hopefully after these two signings with £8m leftover from the Wood sale and the money supposed available previously we should be able to bring in a £10-12m midfielder as the very least but if money is as tight as rumours suggest then maybe it won't happen.

Sounds good, but it's not that simple. Wood was probably on lower wages than the incoming two will be, and of course, the fact that there are two of them, probably means three times as much in wages. (Approximately.) £8 million won't last long.

[RVclaret]

Liverpool signing Diaz from Porto and Origi now available on a permanent deal. Got Newcastle all over that one.

[EarbyClaret]

What about Fulgini?

I know Monchengladbach are interested but it doesn't appear to be a done deal

We apparently had a fee accepted in the last window and were able to meet personal terms. As it all appears to have gone quiet assuming we've switched our interest and channelled the funds into the Orsic and Weghorst deals

[duncandisorderly]

Sounds good, but it's not that simple. Wood was probably on lower wages than the incoming two will be, and of course, the fact that there are two of them, probably means three times as much in wages. (Approximately.) £8 million won't last long.

I bet Chris Wood's wages were significantly higher than either of the two coming in will be.

[minnieclaret]

Liverpool signing Diaz from Porto and Origi now available on a permanent deal. Got Newcastle all over that one.

Read last week that Origi is injured until mid-Feb. Read yesterday that an Italian club want him. The more players Newcastle buy the better for me. Can’t see much dressing room harmony.

[Jamesy]

That really is wishful thinking. No way will we get Fofana or Ramsey, in fact I doubt we will even sign a midfielder. I think Orsic and Weghorn will be our lot. Both good signings and a younger pacier midfielder would be the icing on the cake but can't see it.

Is that Waghorn from Coventry?

[quoonbeatz]

I agree 100%, but you just know it isn't SDs style.
They'll have to prove themselves to be 'match fit', whatever that is in his eyes. I just hope his stubbornness, and he is stubborn, doesn't come back to bite us on the arse.

It's not stubbornness. There's a different level of fitness needed in the Premier League. They do a lot of work to try and avoid muscle injuries as much as possible and a significant part of that is done in pre-season. Cornet is the perfect example, he came in late and we've lost him for a few weeks, twice, already.

[Gordaleman]

I bet Chris Wood's wages were significantly higher than either of the two coming in will be.

Not sure why you think that. Wood's wages won't have changed since he signed for us and player demands have gone up substantially since then. Even so, it's two wages, not one, so unless we end up with the same number of first team squad players as before, by selling someone, it's still an increase in the wage bill.

[RicardoMontalban]

Not sure why you think that. Wood's wages won't have changed since he signed for us and player demands have gone up substantially since then. Even so, it's two wages, not one, so unless we end up with the same number of first team squad players as before, by selling someone, it's still an increase in the wage bill.

Didn't he sign a contract extension/new deal a couple of year's back? Expect he got a little bump then.

[Quickenthetempo]

Not sure why you think that. Wood's wages won't have changed since he signed for us and player demands have gone up substantially since then. Even so, it's two wages, not one, so unless we end up with the same number of first team squad players as before, by selling someone, it's still an increase in the wage bill.

Orsic is on 16k a week and we are going to double his wage.
Don't know much about Weghorst.

Wood was on a minimum of 50k a week plus bonuses.

[ClaretTony]

You can add 6 goals from Jay and Vydra to last season (3 each).

Jay only scored one at Palace although Vydra got three as did Ashley Westwood.

On the subject of goals scored, we currently have 16 which is exactly the same number as we'd scored in 2017/18 after 18 games, and that was the season we qualified for Europe.

[RVclaret]

Jay only scored one at Palace although Vydra got three as did Ashley Westwood.

On the subject of goals scored, we currently have 16 which is exactly the same number as we'd scored in 2017/18 after 18 games, and that was the season we qualified for Europe.

That’s quite interesting. We won an awful lot of games 1-0 that season, we were so so solid.

[KRBFC]

we lack steel and brains in midfield, both Westwood and Brownhill are often far too easily bypassed with one pass.

[duncandisorderly]

Not sure why you think that.

Because we are in the Premier League. The new guys will get a significant pay rise by coming here.
That there are two of them means the wage bill will have risen, but Wood was reportedly on around £50k a week here, so I'd imagine a 50% net increase with the two new players.

[ClaretTony]

That’s quite interesting. We won an awful lot of games 1-0 that season, we were so so solid.

And that was after scoring three at Chelsea.

I've just taken a look at our goal scoring in each Premier League season after 18 games.

2009/10 - 21
2014/15 - 12
2016/17 - 17
2017/18 - 16
2018/19 - 16
2019/20 - 23
2020/21 - 10
2021/22 - 16

[ClaretPete001]

So. Analogy. I have a VW GTI MK V from 2008.it’s a turbo and isn’t as great as it once was. Someone comes in offers me 8 Grand because it’s a car and loved by racers. Cars worth 5 Grand maybe. With that 8 grand, I buy a steady Camry, a basic truck, and a starter car for my daughter.

You’re telling me this is a bad deal?

I didn't comment on the merits of the deal.

Regardless, your ability to buy a Camry and a starter car is not based upon media speculation. Secondly, football players are not cars they do not come with predictable performances and they have to work with ten other players.

And if someone came in and offered you money for the car on the spur and you decided to sell it and bought something else you could hardly claim that your new purchases was as a consequence of a well thought through vision.

To be honest Charlie it sounds like the real problem here is middle aged angst. I swapped a very sporty Golf for a Skoda and it hurts at first but you get used to it.

[Jakubs Tash]

we lack steel and brains in midfield, both Westwood and Brownhill are often far too easily bypassed with one pass.

I think that tends to be down to shape rather than "steel and brains". Playing a flat 4 across the middle means it's easy for opposing players to find the gaps in between the lines.

[NewClaret]

I think that tends to be down to shape rather than "steel and brains". Playing a flat 4 across the middle means it's easy for opposing players to find the gaps in between the lines.

This.

[Spijed]

And that was after scoring three at Chelsea.

I've just taken a look at our goal scoring in each Premier League season after 18 games.

2009/10 - 21
2014/15 - 12
2016/17 - 17
2017/18 - 16
2018/19 - 16
2019/20 - 23
2020/21 - 10
2021/22 - 16

It just underlines that we've never had to score many goals, as this season proves. We need to keep more clean sheets.

[Tribesmen]

So still waiting on white smoke it seems , tick tock tick tock

[summitclaret]

I think that tends to be down to shape rather than "steel and brains". Playing a flat 4 across the middle means it's easy for opposing players to find the gaps in between the lines.

Especially when they run straight down the middle like Saint Maximum. We need to have more than 2 on cm or have 3 cbs.

[Gordaleman]

Orsic is on 16k a week and we are going to double his wage.
Don't know much about Weghorst.

Wood was on a minimum of 50k a week plus bonuses.

Not sure how you know what we are going to be paying either player to be honest, but whatever it is, it will I'm pretty sure that it will total more than Wood's wage.

My original point was that however much we have left from the Wood deal, it doesn't mean we have it going spare.

What I do know for certain, is that it looks as though the squad will be much improved if both are are good as suggested, so it will be a net gain.

[KRBFC]

I think that tends to be down to shape rather than "steel and brains". Playing a flat 4 across the middle means it's easy for opposing players to find the gaps in between the lines.

Leeds was the biggest example, we were caught out time and time and time again with Brownhill and Westwood both way too far up the pitch at the same time. One of them had to use their head and sit

[Spijed]

Especially when they run straight down the middle like Saint Maximum. We need to have more than 2 on cm or have 3 cbs.

No, we just need to find players as good as Westwood and Cork once were.

Even when we finished 10th two seasons ago would suffice.

[Elizabeth]

Yes, but the standard we have to replace is 10 plus goals

Take those goals away and we go down

Im not sure that would be the case.

Of the 17 teams that stayed up last season , did they all have their top scorer with 10+ PL goals?

If so , you may have a point, but as scoring in the PL is difficult I have a feeling that wasn’t the case. I’m sure you will tell me if I’m wrong.

Our biggest issue in goal scoring in recent times has been the failure of any midfield player to score. Midfield assists , other than Westwood’s dead ball kicks, have also been a big cause for concern.
These new players and the ones signed in the Summer may well make a big difference to this past failing.

[Jakubclaret]

No, we just need to find players as good as Westwood and Cork once were.

Even when we finished 10th two seasons ago would suffice.

& rolling back the years a good number of years till prime time how much do you think a new duo PL standard will cost? Replacements will be gradually phased in over a few windows & replacements are bound to be substandard if we find ourselves in the championship.

[RVclaret]

Leeds was the biggest example, we were caught out time and time and time again with Brownhill and Westwood both way too far up the pitch at the same time. One of them had to use their head and sit

Brownhill didn’t play, it was Cork.

[gandhisflipflop]

But Dyche has said many times that the previous board (chairman) were reluctant to use the European market.

And here has been the problem all along. The old board with a corner shop mentality. I was genuinely excited in the summer of 2018 thinking we could exploit the European market as the logical next step amidst an ever inflating uk market, and I wasn’t sure if it was the board or Dyche the reason for not taking this opportunity. Thankfully now we seem to be doing what we should have done years ago. There is a fine balance, but the scales was practically cemented in the UK market. Let’s hope we can level them.

[Spijed]

& rolling back the years a good number of years till prime time how much do you think a new duo PL standard will cost? Replacements will be gradually phased in over a few windows & replacements are bound to be substandard if we find ourselves in the championship.

I agree we need a big upgrade. The issue seems to be how much will they cost?

[summitclaret]

No, we just need to find players as good as Westwood and Cork once were.

Even when we finished 10th two seasons ago would suffice.

No. Does any other PL team now play just 2 in cm? We regularly get outnumbered in cm.

[Mala591]

we lack steel and brains in midfield, both Westwood and Brownhill are often far too easily bypassed with one pass.

Maybe try Orsic on the left side of a midfield three in a 4-3-2-1 formation.


—————————Weghorst
—————Cornet——————McNeil
——Orsic————Westwood————Brownhill
Taylor————Mee———Tarkowski————Roberts
——————————Pope

[CoolClaret]

Maybe try Orsic on the left side of a midfield three in a 4-3-2-1 formation.


—————————Weghorst
—————Cornet——————McNeil
——Orsic————Westwood————Brownhill
Taylor————Mee———Tarkowski————Roberts
——————————Pope

That’s effectively the diamond

You’re barking mad if you think we can play that -

You’d see how vulnerable we’d look on the flanks without doubling up on attackers like we normally do

[Juan Tanamera]

This 'Dyche Fit' I keep reading about on here.
It makes it sound like we have a superior fitness regime to every other Premier League team.
In reality, I'm sure the phrase stems from Kieran Trippier telling us about the 'nightmares' he had after Dyche's first summer training sessions.

[Steddyman]

Jeez, another 4 pages of no news posts.

[BLH_Claret]

This 'Dyche Fit' I keep reading about on here.
It makes it sound like we have a superior fitness regime to every other Premier League team.
In reality, I'm sure the phrase stems from Kieran Trippier telling us about the 'nightmares' he had after Dyche's first summer training sessions.

File with the tedious omelette puns.

[Juan Tanamera]

File with the tedious omelette puns.

Indeed BLH, and Twix.

[ClaretAL]

I think the below would be a frightening attack, but the AL and AR would need to track back.

lineup.JPG (29.26 KiB) Viewed 2204 times

[dibraidio]

Jay only scored one at Palace although Vydra got three as did Ashley Westwood.

Oops, forgot it was two in the cup against Fulham. Jay Rod's recent goal scoring record is worse than I thought. 8 league goals in 2019/20, 1 last year, none this season. Kind of underlines the fact that we really need to get players in with Jay being our only fully fit striker.