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Post by NewClaret » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:24 pm

clarethomer wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:19 pm
No one knows who we are interested in really.

Does anyone else get annoyed with the apparent lack of understanding that rumours are often without substance and that we shouldn't take everything we read at face value.

Whilst it's good to debate what's reported, when it gets to having a pop at the club about something outside their control and that may not even be true, it's a bit OTT?
Exactly this. We have no clue what they are or aren’t doing at the moment. We will know what they’ve achieved on 1st Feb though!

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Post by Safron » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:57 pm

I would like to know what the strategy is going forward, are they going into our biggest home game of the season with what we have? and seeing where we are after the game?Or I we trying to get some quality in to give us a fighting chance before the game? I for one hope the game is off because at the moment I don't have any faith in the latter!

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Post by ClaretMov » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:10 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:09 pm
Wallace has been at Millwall for almost 5 years and Swift for pretty much the same time at Reading, so why has nobody else spotted these talents
OK, so Wallace linked with Notts F today but are we looking for players to keep us up or merely throwing in the towel and signing players for the Championship

We are certainly going to struggle to attract Prem standard players to sign permanently this month so let's just concentrate on the loan market (inc overseas) and buy wisely in the summer based on what league we will be playing in
The fact we are crying out for a RM and are not interested in him at 1-2m tells you everything you need to know.

He’s not good enough.
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You could say the same of Cornet why did no other premier league not sign him, Leeds looked but didn't think he was worth more than 10 million, Pope was signed from Charlton who had just been relegated to league one and who had ever heard of Tom Heaton before we polished him up,

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Post by RVclaret » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:18 pm

ClaretAL wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:15 pm
Jason Knight...

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/seven ... sfer-move/
£8m, price seems to have increased since last time we were linked a fair bit and surely they can’t afford to reject offers or say £4/5m…?

Now Leeds are keen too, they probably beat us to this one. Would be nice to rebuild our midfield with young hungry talented players like Knight and Neil though.

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Post by ClaretMov » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:22 pm

ClaretAL wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:15 pm
Jason Knight...

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/seven ... sfer-move/
No messing around, offer 6m full cash upfront not in instalments, for a 20 year old midfielder it's a no brainer

Then Dyche can play him in 4 years time :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by taio » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:26 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:18 pm
£8m, price seems to have increased since last time we were linked a fair bit and surely they can’t afford to reject offers or say £4/5m…?

Now Leeds are keen too, they probably beat us to this one. Would be nice to rebuild our midfield with young hungry talented players like Knight and Neil though.
If us and Leeds are interested he'll probably end up at Newcastle
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Post by ClaretMov » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:28 pm

Can't edit so I'll add this, surley if the want 8 million and most clubs will pay 2 or 3 upfront and the rest over 3 year's then we come in with 6 million one off payment the Derby administrator's would take it

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Post by burnleymik » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:34 pm

Looks like we have approached Palace about Benteke and they have valued him at £12m

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... ments.html

I wouldn't give £12. We are we continually focussing on has been strikers who are big, immobile and slow? We already have that in Barnes. We need something better, far better if we are to survive.

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Post by rob63 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:39 pm

If we're looking for a big handy CF, have a look at Michael Frey at Royal Antwerp, 2 goals today, 17 in 21 this season.
Their RW, Benson also has improved his passing/crossing this year, valued around £10m for both.

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Post by ClaretMov » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:45 pm

rob63 wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:39 pm
If we're looking for a big handy CF, have a look at Michael Frey at Royal Antwerp, 2 goals today, 17 in 21 this season.
Their RW, Benson also has improved his passing/crossing this year, valued around £10m for both.
Good player I mentioned him on page 32 of this subject, they bought him in only July so just over six months into his contract, but that was for 1.8 million so 8/10 could possibly tempt them to sell

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Post by ClaretAndJew » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:48 pm

burnleymik wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:34 pm
Looks like we have approached Palace about Benteke and they have valued him at £12m

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... ments.html

I wouldn't give £12. We are we continually focussing on has been strikers who are big, immobile and slow? We already have that in Barnes. We need something better, far better if we are to survive.
You can look at it one of two ways. We've made 13 million and Benteke or we've lost Wood and replaced him with someone similar.

It's a stop gap, but that's all it should be. A 2 year deal at most. If we stay up we move him down the pecking order or on loan to get something different in.

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Post by brexit » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:49 pm

really annoying

"According to the Sun, Benteke is one of several names being considered by the North East club to replace Wood, who scored 49 league goals in 144 top-flight games for Burnley in five years."

https://www.football.london/crystal-pal ... r-22769242

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Post by warksclaret » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:54 pm

A 31 with no resale value-if we dont buy him I doubt anyone else would come in for him, not at that money. Maybe £5m but not £12m. Would rather Carol until this season end than him, as it keeps our powder dry. If this is the best SD and co can come up with they should leave it to the experts

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Post by MACCA » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:58 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:48 pm
You can look at it one of two ways. We've made 13 million and Benteke or we've lost Wood and replaced him with someone similar.

It's a stop gap, but that's all it should be. A 2 year deal at most. If we stay up we move him down the pecking order or on loan to get something different in.
Last 5 seasons stats in a Palace side who generally play attacking football, and create more than us..

2017 apps 31 goals 3
2018 apps 16 goals 1
2019 apps 24 goals 2
2020 apps 30 goals 10
2021 apps 20 goals 4

Overall Palace stats apps 167 goals 35, 1 goals per 5 games 😬

For comparison, Wood was 1 in every 3 games.

If Benteke is the answer, I'm really struggling to see what the question or plan is.
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Post by ClaretAndJew » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:59 pm

MACCA wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:58 pm
Last 5 seasons stats in a Palace side who generally play attacking football, and create more than us..

2017 apps 31 goals 3
2018 apps 16 goals 1
2019 apps 24 goals 2
2020 apps 30 goals 10
2021 apps 20 goals 4

Overall Palace stats apps 167 goals 35, 1 goals per 5 games 😬

For comparison, Wood was 1 in every 3 games.

If Benteke is the answer, I'm really struggling to see what the question or plan is.
Depends on whether the "papers" are correct regarding Dyche's reluctance to go for anyone other than "proven" Premier League players.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:00 pm

MACCA wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:58 pm
Last 5 seasons stats in a Palace side who generally play attacking football, and create more than us..

2017 apps 31 goals 3
2018 apps 16 goals 1
2019 apps 24 goals 2
2020 apps 30 goals 10
2021 apps 20 goals 4

Overall Palace stats apps 167 goals 35, 1 goals per 5 games 😬

For comparison, Wood was 1 in every 3 games.

If Benteke is the answer, I'm really struggling to see what the question or plan is.
Signing a worse older striker is exactly the kind of deal we should be avoiding this window.
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Post by MACCA » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:01 pm

warksclaret wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:54 pm
A 31 with no resale value-if we dont buy him I doubt anyone else would come in for him, not at that money. Maybe £5m but not £12m. Would rather Carol until this season end than him, as it keeps our powder dry. If this is the best SD and co can come up with they should leave it to the experts
I'm with you, I'd much rather get Caroll in, and either save the 12m or invest it in a starter for another area of the team.
Which ever division we find ourselves in next season a 32 year old Benteke doesn't seem to be the answer.

He isn't a instant, short term, or long term fix.
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Post by RVclaret » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:02 pm

MACCA wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:01 pm
I'm with you, I'd much rather get Caroll in, and either save the 12m or invest it in a starter for another area of the team.
Which ever division we find ourselves in next season a 32 year old Benteke doesn't seem to be the answer.

He isn't a instant, short term, or long term fix.
Agree with this.

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Post by MACCA » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:03 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:59 pm
Depends on whether the "papers" are correct regarding Dyche's reluctance to go for anyone other than "proven" Premier League players.
Is he proven? Those stats say otherwise, he's hit 10 goals once in 5 years and averages 1 every 5 games in the last 5 seasons.

I genuinely think he is no better than Jay or Vydra stats wise.

And if Dyche us targeting these players, maybe Pace needs to say no.

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Post by taio » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:05 pm

Benteke for that money would be daft. Thankfully he'll be on wages that we can't get anywhere near.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:11 pm

Any links to players in positions we actually need?

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Post by Denno97 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:11 pm

People on here saying if Dyche had any money he wouldn’t go for the 30+ types yet here we are, £25 million windfall and we’re still looking at old, slow players who wouldn’t improve us much. We need pace and skill rather than another immobile lump
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Post by Backofthenet » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:14 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:11 pm
Any links to players in positions we actually need?
We need centre forwards, which is what is discussed

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Post by Andreshotboots » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:15 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:02 pm
Agree with this.
Exactly this. We can have Carroll as a short term fix for free. One miss firing 30 plus year old has just gone for an unbelievable fee, please don't waste half of it on another one..

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Post by taio » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:16 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:11 pm
Any links to players in positions we actually need?
We need a forward for sure

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:16 pm

Backofthenet wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:14 pm
We need centre forwards, which is what is discussed
CM and RM by far the most important signings this window.

We have Cornet back soon, one of our others can be the battering ram for Cornet.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:17 pm

taio wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:16 pm
We need a forward for sure
Right now it’s towards the back end of my priorities.

We are relegated if we don’t sure up midfield

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Post by Backofthenet » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:19 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:16 pm
CM and RM by far the most important signings this window.

We have Cornet back soon, one of our others can be the battering ram for Cornet.
I would have agreed with you... Until Wood was sold. You can buy as many midfielders you like, but you need someone for them to feed

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Post by taio » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:19 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:17 pm
Right now it’s towards the back end of my priorities.

We are relegated if we don’t sure up midfield
It's not towards the back end of the manager's priorities..

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:20 pm

taio wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:19 pm
It's not towards the back end of the manager's priorities..
And look where that has left us.

Midfield has been a gaping issue for 18 months.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:20 pm

Backofthenet wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:19 pm
I would have agreed with you... Until Wood was sold. You can buy as many midfielders you like, but you need someone for them to feed
I agree but currently we can’t create chances and we can’t keep clean sheets due to our midfield. We have got to improve that this window.

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Post by taio » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:21 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:20 pm
And look where that has left us.

Midfield has been a gaping issue for 18 months.
Yep need both. But you are saying we don't need a forward.

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Post by NewClaret » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:25 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:16 pm
CM and RM by far the most important signings this window.

We have Cornet back soon, one of our others can be the battering ram for Cornet.
Just said the same on another thread. ACM, RM and DCM (in that order, although it’s hard to pick an order) are priorities imo.

I’d rather we went for Carroll or Defoe than neglect those areas to buy a striker.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:25 pm

taio wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:21 pm
Yep need both. But you are saying we don't need a forward.
I’m saying right now it’s low down on the priorities. Cornet is back soon and in reality we have 3 other strikers taking a wage if none of them can take the role of a partner to Cornet then why did we extend there contracts 8 months ago.
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Post by Backofthenet » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:25 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:20 pm
I agree but currently we can’t create chances and we can’t keep clean sheets due to our midfield. We have got to improve that this window.
So we get players to create chances..... For who?

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Post by RVclaret » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:26 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:25 pm
I’m saying right now it’s low down on the priorities. Cornet is back soon and in reality we have 3 other strikers taking a wage if none of them can take the role of a partner to Cornet then why did we extend there contracts 8 months ago.
Vydra reported to be missing for a bit, Barnes miles off full fitness so that just leaves Jay Rod.

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Post by taio » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:27 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:25 pm
I’m saying right now it’s low down on the priorities. Cornet is back soon and in reality we have 3 other strikers taking a wage if none of them can take the role of a partner to Cornet then why did we extend there contracts 8 months ago.
It might be low down on your priorities but it won't be on the club's. We have Vydra needing an hernia operation, Barnes injured and Cornet away.

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Post by ClaretAndJew » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:28 pm

taio wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:27 pm
It might be low down on your priorities but it won't be on the club's. We have Vydra needing an hernia operation, Barnes injured and Cornet away.
Cornet away is good to say

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:29 pm

Backofthenet wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:25 pm
So we get players to create chances..... For who?
Our top scorer. He’s back in 3 weeks.

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Post by NewClaret » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:30 pm

WHU vs Leeds has seen 5 goals, all from midfielders.

I think we’ve become conditioned to assume only strikers can score.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:31 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:30 pm
WHU vs Leeds has seen 5 goals, all from midfielders.

I think we’ve become conditioned to assume only strikers can score.
Imagine having a CM and RM that could contribute 3-4 goals a season.

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Post by Top Claret » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:34 pm

Save our money unless we can bag ourselves a bargain and bring in a Carroll on a free, he can't be any worse than Wood.

Try also to bring in a central midfielder or Right sided midfielder on loan.

We need to have one eye on the championship and the other on our bank balance otherwise we could be doing a Bolton or Pompey

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Post by ksrclaret » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:35 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:30 pm
WHU vs Leeds has seen 5 goals, all from midfielders.

I think we’ve become conditioned to assume only strikers can score.
This is very true.

Some posters have taken exception to our football being described as rigid, but there really isn’t anything else to say about it.

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Post by NewClaret » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:35 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:31 pm
Imagine having a CM and RM that could contribute 3-4 goals a season.
I can’t do it to myself.

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Post by Backofthenet » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:36 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:29 pm
Our top scorer. He’s back in 3 weeks.
As a lone striker? Come on let's get some reality here. We need a striker other than what we already have. Barnes and vydra are injured, and Jay.. Well he's just poor, I know he was born in Burnley, but he's not currently the answer

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Post by NewClaret » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:37 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:35 pm
This is very true.

Some posters have taken exception to our football being described as rigid, but there really isn’t anything else to say about it.
I wouldn’t object at all to one up front (JRod), who can hold the ball up and link play really well, then three attacking midfielders behind, then two deep lying midfielders protecting the back four. Leeds playing that system now and have scored 4 (one disallowed). We just need attacking players with pace, not necessarily a striker.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:38 pm

Backofthenet wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:36 pm
As a lone striker? Come on let's get some reality here. We need a striker other than what we already have. Barnes and vydra are injured, and Jay.. Well he's just poor, I know he was born in Burnley, but he's not currently the answer
No play Jay with him

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Re: January 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

Post by Colburn_Claret » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:40 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:59 pm
Depends on whether the "papers" are correct regarding Dyche's reluctance to go for anyone other than "proven" Premier League players.
If the papers are correct, then SD has become a liability. We need to euthanise this squad or we'll suffer this same problem, of an overaged squad, every year.

A 20 year old from Belgium, who I've never heard of, excites me more than some old pro who hasn't fired for years, and has all his best years behind him.

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Re: January 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

Post by ksrclaret » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:40 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:37 pm
I wouldn’t object at all to one up front (JRod), who can hold the ball up and link play really well, then three attacking midfielders behind, then two deep lying midfielders protecting the back four. Leeds playing that system now and have scored 4 (one disallowed). We just need attacking players with pace, not necessarily a striker.
Totally agree. West Ham also play in exactly the way you’ve described and, although they’ve been pretty rubbish today, have had a fabulous 18 months.

It was almost as if Dyche realised that’s the modern way to play and evolve in the league when he used the 451, but he’ll always revert to what he knows best when a few iffy results come around.

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