Wow never seen anything like it.

For those not watching here’s what happened….

Arsenal had a corner and put the ball in the box, Fred stamped on his goalkeeper De Geas foot to which De Gea went down injured. The ball come to Arsenal player Smith Rowe at the edge of the box who put the ball into an open net with De Gea rolling around injured.

The goal stands as I agree it should but should Arsenal have let United score from the kick off ?

United players went mad but Arsenal did nothing wrong.

Definitely a goal, if Arsenal had allowed them to score afterwards you’d get every keeper going down when in trouble. I appreciate that he was injured but you can’t do anything about it, it’s just one of those things

Correct decision, love Maguire and Ronaldo's reaction

Just watched a replay of it.

Boy who cried wolf springs to mind.

Why on earth should Arsenal have let United score from the kick off?

Remember something similar happening to us at I think Watford ? Was it Jenson who was down injured and they scored.

Wasn't it Wigan when he feigned injury?

ElectroClaret wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:43 pm

Why on earth should Arsenal have let United score from the kick off?

Erm sportsmanship. They put the ball into basically an empty net with a shot that if De Gea was standing he would of easily saved.

No offence committed in my eyes. No intervention by the ref and a snap shot
to score. It wasn't a premeditated action designed to cheat or gain unfair advantage.

Besides, it's against Yoonitid so who gives a toss ?

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:44 pm

Wasn't it Wigan when he feigned injury?

He threw himself to the floor at Ewood in the same season as well.

Perfectly allowable goal. I don't believe being stood on like that causes the pain supposedly displayed by De Gaa.

Put in the don't be a d*ck file as getting what they deserved.

PadihamThickNeck wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:45 pm

Erm sportsmanship. They put the ball into basically an empty net with a shot that if De Gea was standing he would of easily saved.

So what?
Keeper got mixed up with his own defender. Nowt to do with Arsenal. Its tough titty.

Don't see what else Arsenal are supposed to do in that situation, unfortunate luck for Utd, but them's the breaks I'm afraid.

Don’t think United will be kicking the ball out for any Arsenal players who go down

PadihamThickNeck wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:48 pm

Don’t think United will be kicking the ball out for any Arsenal players who go down

Well, that would be bad sportsmanship.

A penny for Roy Keane’s thoughts! A big fan of De Gea’s

If the ref had of disallowed it etc then players would be falling on the floor left right and centre feigning choking heart attacks, head injuries etc trying to stop opposition tapping goals in etc.

Absolutely nothing wrong with the goal, not Arsenal's fault that De Gea and Fred got mixed up together.

PadihamThickNeck wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:45 pm

Erm sportsmanship. They put the ball into basically an empty net with a shot that if De Gea was standing he would of easily saved.

He went down feigning injury, sorry but no sportsmanship required there.

It's not like the Di Canio incident when he stopped play with an open goal at his mercy to allow a clearly injured Everton GK to get treatment.

Many a goal will have been scored over the years due to players of the same team colliding with each other. It's part age parcel of the game. It happens and the other team profits.

bfcjg wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:58 pm

If the ref had of disallowed it etc then players would be falling on the floor left right and centre feigning choking heart attacks, head injuries etc trying to stop opposition tapping goals in etc.

You mean like they already do with most "injuries" /fouls?

Atkinson saw he was down and should have stopped the game before the ball went in the net. You are not allowed to play without a keeper so when he is down injured the game should stop.
De Gea wasn’t feigning injury he’d had his achilles stood on by Fred. In saying that Arsenal did nothing wrong.

ElectroClaret wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:47 pm

Its tough titty.

This.^

minnieclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:19 pm

Atkinson saw he was down and should have stopped the game before the ball went in the net. You are not allowed to play without a keeper so when he is down injured the game should stop.
De Gea wasn’t feigning injury he’d had his achilles stood on by Fred. In saying that Arsenal did nothing wrong.

But he wasn't really injured was he? He felt a bit of a knock on his ankle and thought he'd try his luck on the ref noticing the "injury". He paid the price of a risky gamble.

Is De Gea vaccinated?

Will be interesting to see what happens later in the game if say an Arsenal player is badly injured. Will/should Man U. stop or play to the referees whistle if it's obvious the player is hurt?

I suppose that will depend on how he was injured.... if it's by another Arsenal player, then i'd imagine `no`.

Did DeGea end up going off, or wasn't he badly injured?

He managed to run after the referee ok about 30 seconds after.

Goodclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:24 pm

But he wasn't really injured was he? He felt a bit of a knock on his ankle and thought he'd try his luck on the ref noticing the "injury". He paid the price of a risky gamble.

Apologies Dr Goodclaret.

Really not clues as to why anyone should suggest letting utd score from KO is seen as the correct thing to do.

It would be utter madness, imagine us letting that happen on the turf in our position in the league it being the last game of the season and our only chance of avoiding relegation was at stake unless we won !!!!

the crowd would rightly erect a gallows on the side of the longside after the final whistle if we did that.

It’s a goal, no question. I don’t think Arsenal even knew he was injured until they lined the shot up.

Any guesses what UTD would of done if it was the other way round? Nothing different than Arsenal.

Reporter asked him if it was his left foot he stood on, no, it was his Right said Fred.

Right said Fred.... Brilliant

Ref should decide to stop or not.

Goal counts.

No reason for De Gea to stay down like that, hopefully a lesson for goalkeepers ( and others )

If they pick Fred in the first place then they don't deserve to get 3 points. All that money spent on players and yet that guy is still in their squad.

In the Brentford -Tottenham game, one of the Spurs players thought he was fouled so he lay on the floor screaming his head off while the rest of his side defended with 10 men. If a player is unable to stand up for over a minute while his teammates are in trouble, then either he is seriously hurt and needs to come off, or else he is a useless waster who needs to come off. In that case, the latter.

First job of a goalkeeper is to stop the ball by getting in the way of it. Not to stop play by pretending to be crippled. Professional athletes should be strong enough to play through a bit of pain. Rugby players can be jumped on by two blokes bigger than them, and just get up and carry on, fifty or sixty times a game. A footballer should have the guts and moral fibre to do it once or twice if necessary.

And another thing. Once on the Turf there was a girls' game at half-time, primary school ages. One little girl goalkeeper came out to kick the ball clear and collided with an opponent who kicked the ball at the same time, and she fell over. And got up and saved the next shot. And then she sat down and cried because she had hurt her foot - but she didn't sit down and cry until after her goal was safe. De Gea could learn something from her.

Testing

PadihamThickNeck wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:45 pm

Erm sportsmanship. They put the ball into basically an empty net with a shot that if De Gea was standing he would of easily saved.

Perhaps if De Gea hasn’t theatricaly and purposely thrown himself to the floor in the first place as so many keepers do if they’re not gonna get to a ball ? That his own player stepped on his is bad luck and hardly reason to forfeit a goal . Thankfully DG bravely managed to compete the game …

Perfectly good goal, if 2 players are chasing g a ball over the top, and the defender pulls up with a hamstring, you don't stop the game.
Unfortunate, but perfectly legal.

De Gea feigned his injury. United got their come uppence.
Well for a while anyway.

minnieclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:19 pm

Atkinson saw he was down and should have stopped the game before the ball went in the net. You are not allowed to play without a keeper so when he is down injured the game should stop.
De Gea wasn’t feigning injury he’d had his achilles stood on by Fred. In saying that Arsenal did nothing wrong.

Hi minnie, can you help me with this bit (underlined, above)? I know the rules state that teams must be maximum 11 players and minimum 7 players. I know one of the players is identified as the goal keeper and that player can handle the ball in the (defensive) penalty area - and it's a free kick if any other players handle the ball in the penalty area or anywhere else on the pitch. However, we also all know that the goal keeper isn't confined to the penalty area. The keeper can come out of the area and play anywhere on the pitch, including in the opposition's penalty area - but the same rules apply as they do to any other player in these circumstances. We could ask, is a goalkeeper a goalkeeper when he/she is in the opposition's penalty area?

Then you say "when he is down injured..." Does it say somewhere that if a player is injured they no longer count as being a player?

I know there are provisions re head injuries and the like in recent seasons and the ref can stop the game in these situations. I'm not aware of anything in the rules that says the game must stop if a player is injured or that the game must stop if a goalkeeper is injured (but not any other player).

Am I missing something? Am I out-of-date?

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 03, 2021 8:22 am

Perfectly good goal, if 2 players are chasing g a ball over the top, and the defender pulls up with a hamstring, you don't stop the game.
Unfortunate, but perfectly legal.

I've tried that tactic in my later years. It's never worked. Forward has always continued and had a shot on goal and usually scored. To be honest, I've never expected it to.

So if a player is clean through on goal, the keeper drops to the floor injured, should the referee then stop the game before the attacker can put the ball in the empty net?

De Gea should learn from this. If Fred, or any other player from his side, collides with him again, he should go down clutching his head. Ref would have to stop the game then!

But seriously, a perfectly good goal. I don't read The Sun, but this sums it up...

FURIOUS Manchester United fans blasted David De Gea as 'embarrassing' and a 'clown' after Emile Smith Rowe opened the scoring for Arsenal.

Spijed wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:01 pm

So if a player is clean through on goal, the keeper drops to the floor injured, should the referee then stop the game before the attacker can put the ball in the empty net?

To be forever known as the De Gea Defence.

Paul Waine wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 03, 2021 3:32 pm

Hi minnie, can you help me with this bit (underlined, above)? I know the rules state that teams must be maximum 11 players and minimum 7 players.

Sorry Paul I can’t. I know you can’t start without a goalie. I was more concerned with the essence of sport. As has been said Di Canio stopped the game when the Everton keeper went down. I also don’t agree with all the doctors on here that he’s a pussy. If somebody stands on your achilles as you are trying to jump it fecking hurts. He went down immediately not even knowing if the ball had been cleared. I don’t blame Smith Rowe for burying it but Atkinson had seen him down and should have stopped play.

minnieclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:19 pm

Sorry Paul I can’t. I know you can’t start without a goalie. I was more concerned with the essence of sport. As has been said Di Canio stopped the game when the Everton keeper went down. I also don’t agree with all the doctors on here that he’s a pussy. If somebody stands on your achilles as you are trying to jump it fecking hurts. He went down immediately not even knowing if the ball had been cleared. I don’t blame Smith Rowe for burying it but Atkinson had seen him down and should have stopped play.

Play is only stopped for HEAD injuries

minnieclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:19 pm

Atkinson saw he was down and should have stopped the game before the ball went in the net. You are not allowed to play without a keeper so when he is down injured the game should stop.
De Gea wasn’t feigning injury he’d had his achilles stood on by Fred. In saying that Arsenal did nothing wrong.

Atkinson had his back to De Gea until the last second and it was VAR that decided the goal should stand. As for De Gea, he was running round like a spring lamb seconds later. Says it all.