Dyche Remarks on todays game

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Re: Dyche Remarks on todays game

Post by buzzclarets79 » Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:43 pm

I thought we played reasonably well up until the goal.
The issue is time and time again as soon as we concede it’s almost like we panic and just resort to long balls.
The issue is when you’re playing well or at least half decent and you’re still not getting results, when you dip below that it’s not often you’ll get anything. To much this season we’ve played well but not forced that into points on the board.

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Re: Dyche Remarks on todays game

Post by Carport » Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:45 pm

I’m getting a tad fed up with this repetitive reference to ‘the details’. What does that even mean? Make more chances and score a higher percentage of those chances? If so, why not say that? If not, then what?

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Re: Dyche Remarks on todays game

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:46 pm

Carport wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:45 pm
I’m getting a tad fed up with this repetitive reference to ‘the details’. What does that even mean? Make more chances and score a higher percentage of those chances? If so, why not say that? If not, then what?
"Fine margins" you know?

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Re: Dyche Remarks on todays game

Post by Zenwisdom » Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:47 pm

I hope Sean can sign a Centre Midfield play maker
we desperately need otherwise we carry on playing long ball game and hope for the best .

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Re: Dyche Remarks on todays game

Post by ClaretAL » Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:50 pm

It doesn't matter if we do get CM, we don't have anyone that can finish the creative play at the moment and if Cornet is out I'm struggling to see where the goals are coming from

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Re: Dyche Remarks on todays game

Post by diamondpocket » Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:52 pm

Zenwisdom wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:47 pm
I hope Sean can sign a Centre Midfield play maker
we desperately need otherwise we carry on playing long ball game and hope for the best .
won't make any difference whilst there are only 2 midfielders in there and we play 4-4-2. Our only options are long or sideways. There are no forward passes to play. If it is played on the deck to the front 2 who is there to support them? The other midfielder is lying deep near his partner, the wide men are wide-'ish offering some width. There's the other striker but he is usually up against another centre-half and at least 1 deep lying midfielder protecting them! No other option to knock it over the top into the channel. That's why we've done it every game this season as our main tactic! It ain't bloody working!
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Re: Dyche Remarks on todays game

Post by Longtimeclaret » Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:14 pm

Zenwisdom wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:47 pm
I hope Sean can sign a Centre Midfield play maker
we desperately need otherwise we carry on playing long ball game and hope for the best .
Spot on

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Re: Dyche Remarks on todays game

Post by Winstonswhite » Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:17 pm

Zenwisdom wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:47 pm
I hope Sean can sign a Centre Midfield play maker
we desperately need otherwise we carry on playing long ball game and hope for the best .
If there’s any truth in this French bloke we’re supposedly after, it suggests Dyche agrees with you

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Re: Dyche Remarks on todays game

Post by elwaclaret » Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:19 pm

buzzclarets79 wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:43 pm
I thought we played reasonably well up until the goal.
The issue is time and time again as soon as we concede it’s almost like we panic and just resort to long balls.
The issue is when you’re playing well or at least half decent and you’re still not getting results, when you dip below that it’s not often you’ll get anything. To much this season we’ve played well but not forced that into points on the board.
Confidence. We score first we win it comfortably. Two sides with fragile confidence.
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Re: Dyche Remarks on todays game

Post by Boss Hogg » Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:28 pm

I wonder what tactics another manager would use with these same players. Dyche appears to be under no pressure even after this awful run of so few wins. This means if he is happy with what he sees then we can expect the same tired tactics over and over again. His post match interviews have become tiresome so I don’t watch them anymore.
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Re: Dyche Remarks on todays game

Post by Billyblah » Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:33 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:50 pm
i would say that's fairly accurate. However, his inability to change our fortunes going forward over the last few seasons is pretty damning for him imho
Not deluded (Miiltown) "his inability" is down to two years of lack of investment . We gave away Hendrick and brought in Dale Stephens and Drinkbeer. It shows in a midfield which can't hold its own, misplaced passes, lack of attacking pace, lack of service to the strikers.
His remarks accept that we have a major challenge in Premiership survival between now and May.

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Re: Dyche Remarks on todays game

Post by CombatClaret » Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:39 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:50 pm
i would say that's fairly accurate. However, his inability to change our fortunes going forward over the last few seasons is pretty damning for him imho
So far this season we're 15th for Goals scored. 14th for Shots on Target. 12th for Big Chances Created.

The biggest hit to our season has been the 12 points dropped from winning positions. Scoring wasn't the issue there is was maintaining the lead. Easy to pin it all on the forwards but we can't expect them to keep dragging us back into games when we've been ahead, then drawing, then behind.

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Re: Dyche Remarks on todays game

Post by Murger » Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:52 pm

We could have Messi and Mbappe in our team and our tactics wouldn't change. It's boring and it's predictable.

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Re: Dyche Remarks on todays game

Post by beddie » Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:58 pm

Dyche isn’t one to rip into his players via the media. I do think though we need to bring in a central midfielder that can pass the ball forward and a strong mobile centre forward.

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Re: Dyche Remarks on todays game

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:03 pm

CombatClaret wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:39 pm
So far this season we're 15th for Goals scored. 14th for Shots on Target. 12th for Big Chances Created.

The biggest hit to our season has been the 12 points dropped from winning positions. Scoring wasn't the issue there is was maintaining the lead. Easy to pin it all on the forwards but we can't expect them to keep dragging us back into games when we've been ahead, then drawing, then behind.
All fair points, but had we not had such blinding loyalty we would have different strikers who may convert more of those "big chances" and take some of the pressure off the defence. Either way, if we can't score more than one we likely won't win many games

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Re: Dyche Remarks on todays game

Post by CombatClaret » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:15 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:03 pm
Either way, if we can't score more than one we likely won't win many games
At present yes because of our defensive issues. Seeing out a 1-0 used to be a key part of our identity.

Only 2 years ago there were YouTube videos being made on how good and well drilled our defense was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKHwUVYH4hU

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Re: Dyche Remarks on todays game

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:19 pm

BigChaCha wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:12 pm
I said a few years back that SD would coach the flair out of McNeil and I have been proved right. His trajectory has been on a downward slope for a while now. You have to ask the same of our other creative talents like JBG and Jay Rodriguez who have gone backwards under this managements stewardship. I struggle to think of many players that have improved their creativity or passing under SD but I can think of loads that have stagnated and in fact gone backwards! I have absolutely no faith what's so ever that SD will get the best out of Cornet either. He will coach out any creativity he has, out of him too!
Yet he has managed a team for consecutive seasons in the premier league while you……

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Re: Dyche Remarks on todays game

Post by SouthLondonexile » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:21 pm

Well Cornet having to come off when he did put us in some difficulty. I thought he would be our salvation for this season.

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Re: Dyche Remarks on todays game

Post by DCWat » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:22 pm

CombatClaret wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:15 pm
At present yes because of our defensive issues. Seeing out a 1-0 used to be a key part of our identity.

Only 2 years ago there were YouTube videos being made on how good and well drilled our defense was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKHwUVYH4hU
The defence is the same so what has changed? I’d love to see an analysis of then to now.

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Re: Dyche Remarks on todays game

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:39 pm

DCWat wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:22 pm
The defence is the same so what has changed? I’d love to see an analysis of then to now.
That defensive unit depended on all 5 being on top form.
I don't think Pope is on absolutely top form (though I still rate him as a fine goalkeeper) and I'm not sure that we still have the discipline defensively in front of the back four.

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Re: Dyche Remarks on todays game

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:40 pm

Murger wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:52 pm
We could have Messi and Mbappe in our team and our tactics wouldn't change. It's boring and it's predictable.
You can have a go at the players and/or manager, but don't talk stupid.

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Re: Dyche Remarks on todays game

Post by Murger » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:41 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:40 pm
You can have a go at the players and/or manager, but don't talk stupid.
Which bit is wrong? Whichever personal we have in the starting 11, the tactics never change.

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Re: Dyche Remarks on todays game

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:50 pm

Those remarks in post 1 are ones I agree with. The goal did change the game, and in Wilson they have the best striker. But we have to manoeuvre things our way, we can’t merrily crack on and wait for bad luck to hit. That is what we are less good at, making things happen. Cornet is the exception. Too many of our lot suffer from a lack of imagination and thus creativity, that includes the manager.

I tend to feel now Roberts is vital. He makes a lot happen. We need that desperately. At full back of course.

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Re: Dyche Remarks on todays game

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:51 pm

CombatClaret wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:15 pm
At present yes because of our defensive issues. Seeing out a 1-0 used to be a key part of our identity.

Only 2 years ago there were YouTube videos being made on how good and well drilled our defense was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKHwUVYH4hU
yeah I remember watching that when it was released, a good debate into what has changed could be interesting......
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Re: Dyche Remarks on todays game

Post by Lancasterclaret » Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:01 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:48 pm
Deluded
Thats exactly what the game was

Dyche can be bloody annoying at times, but he's a rarity in managers that he's doesn't pretend we don't see a different game

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Re: Dyche Remarks on todays game

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:19 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:51 pm
yeah I remember watching that when it was released, a good debate into what has changed could be interesting......
It's worth a thread, why don't you start it.
It would be interesting to see people's views, and spark a decent debate.

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Re: Dyche Remarks on todays game

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:27 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:19 pm
It's worth a thread, why don't you start it.
It would be interesting to see people's views, and spark a decent debate.
Corks legs have gone
Brownhill isn't as good as Cork

There's your starter for two !!!

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Re: Dyche Remarks on todays game

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:30 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:27 pm
Corks legs have gone
Brownhill isn't as good as Cork

There's your starter for two !!!
But this isn't a new thread, so potentially missing posters who are not specifically following the "Dyche's Remarks" one which we are on now ;)

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Re: Dyche Remarks on todays game

Post by IanMcL » Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:50 pm

All write to Santa, for points for Christmas.

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Re: Dyche Remarks on todays game

Post by IanMcL » Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:51 pm

Norwich getting tonked, so ok. Leeds and Palace losing, so there is always hope!

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