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Re: Saudi GP

Post by jos » Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:59 pm

ArnoldBenson wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:52 pm
I believe the brilliant climax to the F1 season takes place at the same time as our game against West Ham. Do you think they'll put it on the big screens if we ask nicely.
Save yourself the agony, we aren’t going to beat West Ham.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Colburn_Claret » Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:00 pm

Max is a committed driver, and you have to be to be a winner, but there is a fine line between pushing the boundaries and breaking the rules, and the longer the season has gone on the more Max has crossed it. There's nothing wrong with spreading your elbows, but everytime Lewis tries to pass him he gets run off the track.
Whoever wins the title it would be nice to see it won without controversy.
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Re: Saudi GP

Post by PeterWilton » Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:00 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:39 pm
I hope they don't disqualify Verstappen (even if he does deserve it) ... next week is set up nicely for a cracker 🙂
I don't think he deserves DQ from the race. At worst a grid penalty next race and points on his licence but for the excitement factor i wouldn't mind seeing it just be a warning. This is the best championship since 2010 and i'd like to see it decided properly.
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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Claret3495 » Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:15 pm

ArnoldBenson wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:52 pm
I believe the brilliant climax to the F1 season takes place at the same time as our game against West Ham. Do you think they'll put it on the big screens if we ask nicely.
Genuinely considering staying in the pub until the end of the race. What time do they stop letting people through the turnstiles?

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:18 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:38 pm
I would disagree, perhaps you didn’t watch the senior Schumacher .
I did, that was the period when I first started watching F1. But I’m still talking about today’s race.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:30 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:18 pm
I did, that was the period when I first started watching F1. But I’m still talking about today’s race.
We will have to disagree.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by RVclaret » Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:40 pm

Let’s go Lewis!!

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Shaggy » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:09 pm

It’s funny because those who support Hamilton are berating Max and vice versa.

I think Max was unlucky today, the 5 sec penalty was harsh and the slowing down to let Hamilton pass at the end of the day Hamilton did run into the back of Max he could have easily avoided him to the left long before he got close to the back of the car.

Masi got things terribly wrong today. The communication and general running of the race was pathetic.

Did make it exciting though.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Stanbill05 » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:12 pm

He should be disqualified but won't for the sake of next week. True he cruised through the gears first but definitely braked hard to initiate contact. They won't publish the data (again) though so it will be opinion v opinion.

Makes for a better race next week though, so happy days...

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Roosterbooster » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:47 pm

10s penalty for Verstappen for causing the crash

No change to result

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Herts Clarets » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:48 pm

Verstappen gets 10 second penalty and 2 point deduction for Turn 27 incident. At least that means he can't take the title by taking Hamilton out next Sunday.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Pearcey » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:54 pm

2 penalty points on his licence. Is that the same as championship points?

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by NewClaret » Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:00 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:30 pm
Take off the result for the farcical Belgium Grand Prix and it would be an easier job for Hamilton
He’d have won it today had he sorted the brake magic in Baku!

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by NewClaret » Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:10 pm

F1 is getting like football with all these steward interventions!

Seems they concluded he broke sharply so he could follow him in to the DRS, which Lewis wasn’t expecting. Could have been much more costly.

Anything can happen next week. It’s going to be nerve wracking!!

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by PeterWilton » Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:42 am

Pearcey wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:54 pm
2 penalty points on his licence. Is that the same as championship points?
nah. They go on their super licence and last 12 months. If you hold more than 12 penalty points then they get banned for a race and the penalty points removed.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by yorkyclaret » Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:05 am

"However, it was obvious that neither driver wanted to take the lead prior to DRS detection line 3. The driver of Car 33 stated that he was wondering why Car 44 had not overtaken and the driver of Car 44 stated that, not having been aware at that stage that Car 33 was giving the position back, was unaware of the reason Car 33 was slowing.

"In deciding to penalise the driver of Car 33, the key point for the Stewards was that the driver of car 33 then braked suddenly (69 bar) and significantly, resulting in 2.4g deceleration.

The 10 second penalty is pointless. The 2 point penalty is not a lot better, he had non before, the drivers are each allowed 12 a year.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Stanbill05 » Mon Dec 06, 2021 6:39 am

Good news for next week and arguably fair enough given he (luckily) didn't affect the outcome of the race.. much prefer a bit of incident and controversy to a procession.

However, I think the guy is a bad accident waiting to happen and needs reining in eventually.

I'll unapologetically be supporting Hamilton next week in what should be an awesome occasion.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by AlargeClaret » Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:43 am

Good race ,and excellent season and for Max to have taken this to the very end with a slightly inferior car is quite something . The FIA must do something about the engine change rule ,it’s ludicrous that Mercedes have had 5 totally new engines ,not unlike having a season round transfer market in football where the giants can buy endlessley

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:47 am

Be funny if Bottas takes Hamilton out

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by AfloatinClaret » Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:00 am

Plenty of incidents and the main protagonists finished all square going into the final race; the day's race-script played out nicely.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by 1968claret » Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:37 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:
Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:43 am
Good race ,and excellent season and for Max to have taken this to the very end with a slightly inferior car is quite something .
Not sure I agree that RB is the slightly inferior car. Whilst the Merc has a slightly better top line speed, the RB has far better handling.
I do agree that it has been an excellent season though and some of the racing between Lewis and Max has been phenomenal. Hope that it gets decided on the track next week and not through one taking the other out!

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by PeterWilton » Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:16 pm

yorkyclaret wrote:
Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:05 am
"However, it was obvious that neither driver wanted to take the lead prior to DRS detection line 3. The driver of Car 33 stated that he was wondering why Car 44 had not overtaken and the driver of Car 44 stated that, not having been aware at that stage that Car 33 was giving the position back, was unaware of the reason Car 33 was slowing.

"In deciding to penalise the driver of Car 33, the key point for the Stewards was that the driver of car 33 then braked suddenly (69 bar) and significantly, resulting in 2.4g deceleration.

The 10 second penalty is pointless. The 2 point penalty is not a lot better, he had non before, the drivers are each allowed 12 a year.
Max is on 7 penalty points now.

The 10 sec penalty might not change an outcome but its a pretty clear judgement as to who was to blame. I've a feeling Max might turn out to be the new Schumacher when it comes to sportsmanship,and I think he'll have not problem with his conscience when it comes to taking Hamilton out of the race this weekend given half a chance of getting away with it.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Shaggy » Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:53 pm

PeterWilton wrote:
Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:16 pm
Max is on 7 penalty points now.

The 10 sec penalty might not change an outcome but its a pretty clear judgement as to who was to blame. I've a feeling Max might turn out to be the new Schumacher when it comes to sportsmanship,and I think he'll have not problem with his conscience when it comes to taking Hamilton out of the race this weekend given half a chance of getting away with it.
I mean if there was a silverstone type incident where this time its Lewis that gets hit and put out the race it would be a bit of Karma really.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Sproggy » Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:06 pm

PeterWilton wrote:
Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:16 pm
Max is on 7 penalty points now.

The 10 sec penalty might not change an outcome but its a pretty clear judgement as to who was to blame. I've a feeling Max might turn out to be the new Schumacher when it comes to sportsmanship,and I think he'll have not problem with his conscience when it comes to taking Hamilton out of the race this weekend given half a chance of getting away with it.
I think RB have split their investment $$ between this years and next years car, Mercedes have chosen to invest most of it in next year's car with the new regulations coming along so this could be the biggest chance for RB.

Having said that, Verstappen clearly has a wire missing somewhere, he just cannot handle being overtaken.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by yorkyclaret » Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:46 pm

PeterWilton wrote:
Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:16 pm
Max is on 7 penalty points now.

The 10 sec penalty might not change an outcome but its a pretty clear judgement as to who was to blame. I've a feeling Max might turn out to be the new Schumacher when it comes to sportsmanship,and I think he'll have not problem with his conscience when it comes to taking Hamilton out of the race this weekend given half a chance of getting away with it.
Well spotted, I hadn't thought the F1 website would be showing results from July. So 7 points since 12th September, he is going to have to be careful for a while.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Lowbankclaret » Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:32 pm

PeterWilton wrote:
Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:16 pm
Max is on 7 penalty points now.

The 10 sec penalty might not change an outcome but its a pretty clear judgement as to who was to blame. I've a feeling Max might turn out to be the new Schumacher when it comes to sportsmanship,and I think he'll have not problem with his conscience when it comes to taking Hamilton out of the race this weekend given half a chance of getting away with it.
He will need to be careful doing that.
Schumacher was docked championship points one season, so there is precedent for that to happen, unfortunately it was not the season he took Hill out to win the Championship, I only ever consider he won 6, Hill won 2 but for the stewards being bent.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by NewClaret » Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:55 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:32 pm
He will need to be careful doing that.
Schumacher was docked championship points one season, so there is precedent for that to happen, unfortunately it was not the season he took Hill out to win the Championship, I only ever consider he won 6, Hill won 2 but for the stewards being bent.
That’s a very good point. I’m desperate for Hamilton to win because I want him to beat Schumacher’s record, because I still hate him for taking Hill out. But if you just look at it that he only ever won 6, he’s already beaten him. Hamilton has certainly won his 7 with more class than Schumacher!

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Steve1956 » Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:09 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:32 pm
He will need to be careful doing that.
Schumacher was docked championship points one season, so there is precedent for that to happen, unfortunately it was not the season he took Hill out to win the Championship, I only ever consider he won 6, Hill won 2 but for the stewards being bent.
I never forgive Schumacher for Breaking Hill's car either,the sight of Damon in the pits looking up at his mechanics assessing the damage stuck with me for ages you could see the disappointment in Hill's eyes and I never thought I would see a more snidier driver ever than Schumacher....Verstappen is certainly trying his hardest to outsnide Schumacher

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by KRBFC » Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:15 pm

Max is the more skilled of the two, he's just in a factually slower car. He's pushing that RB to the absolute limit tho

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Steve1956 » Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:19 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:15 pm
Max is the more skilled of the two, he's just in a factually slower car. He's pushing that RB to the absolute limit tho
:lol: Seriously :lol:
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Re: Saudi GP

Post by PeterWilton » Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:51 am

KRBFC wrote:
Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:15 pm
Max is the more skilled of the two, he's just in a factually slower car. He's pushing that RB to the absolute limit tho
I've read this a couple of times and the argument in favour of it is that Max has been quicker in the slow and cornery sections of races but I'm fairly sure those people are forgetting that just like how the Mercedes is faster on that straights, the Red Bull handles cornering better.

Max has potential for greatness but its laughable to claim he's the more skillful driver than the driver who will have either 6 or 8 more world championships than he does so far.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Chobulous » Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:43 am

Sproggy wrote:
Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:06 pm
Having said that, Verstappen clearly has a wire missing somewhere, he just cannot handle being overtaken.
Maybe Audi should try to get into F1. He’d fit right in with them
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Re: Saudi GP

Post by RVclaret » Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:59 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:15 pm
Max is the more skilled of the two, he's just in a factually slower car. He's pushing that RB to the absolute limit tho
Absolute drivel. I think I read on another thread once that you consider yourself a ‘football expert’. Let me inform you that you’re definitely not an F1 expert either before you make that claim.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Burnley Ace » Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:21 pm

If you took the farce that was Belgium out of the equation it would be 8-8 and Ham would have a five point lead!

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Burnley1989 » Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:28 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:59 pm
Absolute drivel. I think I read on another thread once that you consider yourself a ‘football expert’. Let me inform you that you’re definitely not an F1 expert either before you make that claim.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Bosscat » Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:30 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:59 pm
Absolute drivel. I think I read on another thread once that you consider yourself a ‘football expert’. Let me inform you that you’re definitely not an F1 expert either before you make that claim.
Don't sit on the fence RV m8 ... tell KRBFC exactly what you think of his knowledge 😉

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Lowbankclaret » Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:43 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:55 pm
That’s a very good point. I’m desperate for Hamilton to win because I want him to beat Schumacher’s record, because I still hate him for taking Hill out. But if you just look at it that he only ever won 6, he’s already beaten him. Hamilton has certainly won his 7 with more class than Schumacher!
I agree, I don’t think Hamilton has ever used tactics of that nature to win a title.

Currently I think it’s advantage Hamilton.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Lowbankclaret » Wed Dec 08, 2021 2:08 pm

For anyone interested, there is a utube channel called “The Race”
They have released a review of the incident using the drivers data.
It’s very enlightening.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by minnieclaret » Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:24 pm

FIA have announced there will be no points deductions for any incidents this weekend. They are absolutely determined to have a new champion. Free license for Max to end it all early.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Stanbill05 » Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:06 pm

Haven't seen that, but not sure why they would take it off the table completely. Surely depends on the incident. However, I can understand them not committing to template punishment for each scenario in advance if that's what they've done.

A dirty move would be incredible, I'd almost like to see it (and the response!!). Better viewing than a procession from either driver... I know Max has win at all costs attitude but can't see him wanting to tarnish his reputation forever, but then again... Leading with 5 laps to go, Hamilton catching quickly on much fresher tyres, I don't think he could help himself.

Can't wait..

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by minnieclaret » Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:21 pm

The article was in the Daily Express but I can’t find a link back to it.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Lowbankclaret » Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:42 pm

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