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Saudi GP

Post by Herts Clarets » Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:06 pm

Advantage Hamilton. Verstappen sticks it into the wall in qualifying as Lewis takes pole. Potential 5 place penalty if he has damaged his gearbox. Even if its not damaged he starts third.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:14 pm

Yep advantage Lewis. I said three times he was going to hit the wall and he did. Just pushed it beyond the boundaries. They cannot risk a gearbox failure so will have to change it. Looking like Red Bull will challenge the yellow flag incident so Lewis could still get a penalty.
Could be an interesting race tomorrow with several safety cars.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by tarkys_ears » Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:04 pm

They set a percent for the Hamilton yellow flag incident in Qatar with Max et al didn't they.

The FIA has been a joke this season, so many pointless penalties. Maybe racing in all these third world dictatorial shitholes has gotten to their heads and they think they can throw punishments around pointlessly.

It's really ruining what should have been a good finish to a good season.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by minnieclaret » Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:03 pm

Another self inflicted disaster for Max. Great driver but until he gets that first title there has to be doubts.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Bosscat » Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:08 pm

Wow Max cocks it up and sticks it in the wall ... possible 5 place penalty ... Hamilton aces it ... the usual Hamilton hater suspects stick the boot in 😂.

A week ago Hamilton went from 10th on the grid to win ... get over it Hamilton chaps is number one ... all this negativity just gives you heartburn 😉
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Re: Saudi GP

Post by RammyClaret61 » Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:10 am

Mind that wall Max…. Whoops. 🏁

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by minnieclaret » Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:43 am

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Firthy » Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:20 pm

Botas really needs to earn his crust today and make sure Verstappen doesn't pass him before the first corner. Even if he has to tough it out and not back out, Verstappen won't. that's for sure. Botas doesn't have to worry about a collission but Verstappen does.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by NewClaret » Sun Dec 05, 2021 1:48 pm

Firthy wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:20 pm
Botas really needs to earn his crust today and make sure Verstappen doesn't pass him before the first corner. Even if he has to tough it out and not back out, Verstappen won't. that's for sure. Botas doesn't have to worry about a collission but Verstappen does.
Completely agree. Hotta’s has looked rapid since the announcement he was leaving. He needs to show that pace today, earn Merc some points and help out his team mate.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by KRBFC » Sun Dec 05, 2021 1:54 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:08 pm

get over it Hamilton''s car is number one ...
I agree pal

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by tarkys_ears » Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:58 pm

F2 has been a mess this weekend.

Lump your house on there being a safety car in the F1 race.

Gonna be carnage

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by claretburns » Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:29 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:58 pm
F2 has been a mess this weekend.

Lump your house on there being a safety car in the F1 race.

Gonna be carnage
500/1 for both Haas' to have a points finish, if they can avoid the trouble there could be many cars out hitting the wall, so a slight possibility.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by NellyDBFC » Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:30 pm

Any links ?

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by claretburns » Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:30 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 1:48 pm
Completely agree. Hotta’s has looked rapid since the announcement he was leaving. He needs to show that pace today, earn Merc some points and help out his team mate.
I presume Bottas auto corrected to Hotta's? If so, Bottas has been awful all season and even more since it was announced he was leaving.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:52 pm

They have not changed zMax’s gearbox.

That could spell disaster with it turning into a dnf.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:28 pm

My money is on a first corner crash and red flag.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:44 pm

3 very close calls into the first corner, but they all made it through.
Looking like you cannot get too close to the car in front, so could be a boring procession at the front.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:49 pm

First safety car, mick in the barriers on lap 10.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by tarkys_ears » Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:58 pm

Red flag.

Knew pitting was a bad idea for merc. A red flag is always coming when a tecpro barrier is hit they need replacing.

Did Toto not watch F2??

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Colburn_Claret » Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:59 pm

********, how can it take that long to decide to red flag.
The powers that be are determined that Hamton won't win this championship.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Colburn_Claret » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:03 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:58 pm
Red flag.

Knew pitting was a bad idea for merc. A red flag is always coming when a tecpro barrier is hit they need replacing.

Did Toto not watch F2??
If they knew why not red flag it straight away, I'm not saying you're wrong, but if you're right, why do you know more than the marshalls running the race.
A bit like 20 20 being won by the toss of a coin, F1 seems to be won by the stewards, rather than on the track.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Firthy » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:04 pm

What a totsl farce. Corrupt way to hand the world championship to Verstappen. Rules need changing so no tyre change or work on the cars during a red flag stoppage.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by jos » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:04 pm

Well, advantage Red Bull. Come on Max

Not a Lewis hater by any means, just want Max to win for a change.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Taffy on the wing » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:06 pm

Is Sepp Blatter involved in F1 these days?..........Just wondering like.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Herts Clarets » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:06 pm

Red Bull hit the jackpot. Merc need to try something different. Lewis onto mediums as he has run the required 2 sets and try to get past Max and gamble his hard set won't last 35 laps. Max's mediums were blistered quite badly so questions over the durability.

Going to be very interesting....

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by jos » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:07 pm

Firthy wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:04 pm
What a totsl farce. Corrupt way to hand the world championship to Verstappen. Rules need changing so no tyre change or work on the cars during a red flag stoppage.
Commentator just saying this has benefited Lewis in the past - Rules is rules

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by claretburns » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:09 pm

Many of these decisions have gone the way of Mercedes and Hamilton in the past, just one of those things where today it has gone towards Red Bull and Verstappen. With the supreme skill on Hamilton though, I can still see him winning this race.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by tarkys_ears » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:11 pm

They need to get rid of tyre changes during red flags. Especially it counting as the "mandatory" change.

It's never been a fair rule and has pretty much benefitted someone every single red flag.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by jos » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:11 pm

claretburns wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:09 pm
Many of these decisions have gone the way of Mercedes and Hamilton in the past, just one of those things where today it has gone towards Red Bull and Verstappen. With the supreme skill on Hamilton though, I can still see him winning this race.
Yes I can see that too, and he does have the faster car.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:12 pm

If you look at the crash, one of Micks rear wheels punctured the tec pro barrier.

That section needs to be replaced, it’s a red flag .

I agree with the poster who said the F2 race was stopped as was the FP2 when Leclerc crashed.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:19 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:11 pm
They need to get rid of tyre changes during red flags. Especially it counting as the "mandatory" change.

It's never been a fair rule and has pretty much benefitted someone every single red flag.
You can change lots of things during a red flag, as long as it can be done in the time in the pit Lane.

It’s been the same for years, on the day a Lewis gets it wrong you want the rules changing.

There might be another soon as it’s looking like a static start again.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by tarkys_ears » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:20 pm

Pfff...

Another red flag

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:25 pm

Got to be another red flag.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by tarkys_ears » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:25 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:19 pm
You can change lots of things during a red flag, as long as it can be done in the time in the pit Lane.

It’s been the same for years, on the day a Lewis gets it wrong you want the rules changing.

There might be another soon as it’s looking like a static start again.
1) I am in no way a Lewis fan

2) I've wanted this rule changing since before verstappen was in F1

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:26 pm

Max has to go back to 3rd with Ocon leading,.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Herts Clarets » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:26 pm

Lewis well clear into the first corner. Max gained advantage by going off the circuit. Hope they give Lewis the place he already had. Twists and turns....

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by TheOriginalLongsider » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:27 pm

I can’t see this race actually finishing !

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:30 pm

Lewis also broke the formation lap rules, you have to stay within 10 car lengths.

Could get a 5 second penalty for that.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by claretburns » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:32 pm

Also in the first corner carnage, Bottas went off track and came back on, any penalties for him?

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by claretburns » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:33 pm

Plus Bottas under the safety car driving purposely slow to hold up Verstappen, seems Mercedes getting a lot for them today.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by tarkys_ears » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:33 pm

Nah he lost 1 or 2 positions

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Herts Clarets » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:37 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:30 pm
Lewis also broke the formation lap rules, you have to stay within 10 car lengths.

Could get a 5 second penalty for that.
Race director says its a restart not a formation lap so 10 car lengths rule not operative.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Roosterbooster » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:38 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:30 pm
Lewis also broke the formation lap rules, you have to stay within 10 car lengths.

Could get a 5 second penalty for that.
Some suggestion it wasn't technically a formation lap

Either way, a mental race
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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:38 pm

That was interesting, formation lap rules don’t apply so Max can hold well back so Lewis has cold tyres on the next restart.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by gawthorpe_view » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:38 pm

Gonna be a long night, every chance of further disruptions.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:42 pm

Looks like Max is rolling the dice and putting mediums on under this red flag.

Plus Lewis is on the dirty side of the track.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:43 pm

Roosterbooster wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:38 pm
Some suggestion it wasn't technically a formation lap

Either way, a mental race
Yes heard that too, but that also means Max can now do that to Lewis.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Herts Clarets » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:44 pm

Max on mediums. Gambling on further stoppages. Otherwise his tyres won't last 33 laps.

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:50 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:44 pm
Max on mediums. Gambling on further stoppages. Otherwise his tyres won't last 33 laps.
I agree, don’t think the hardest will last.
Max just said he is losing power

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Re: Saudi GP

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:51 pm

These two drivers are on a different level to the rest.

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