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Saudi GP
Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:06 pm
by Herts Clarets
Advantage Hamilton. Verstappen sticks it into the wall in qualifying as Lewis takes pole. Potential 5 place penalty if he has damaged his gearbox. Even if its not damaged he starts third.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:14 pm
by Lowbankclaret
Yep advantage Lewis. I said three times he was going to hit the wall and he did. Just pushed it beyond the boundaries. They cannot risk a gearbox failure so will have to change it. Looking like Red Bull will challenge the yellow flag incident so Lewis could still get a penalty.
Could be an interesting race tomorrow with several safety cars.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:04 pm
by tarkys_ears
They set a percent for the Hamilton yellow flag incident in Qatar with Max et al didn't they.
The FIA has been a joke this season, so many pointless penalties. Maybe racing in all these third world dictatorial shitholes has gotten to their heads and they think they can throw punishments around pointlessly.
It's really ruining what should have been a good finish to a good season.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:03 pm
by minnieclaret
Another self inflicted disaster for Max. Great driver but until he gets that first title there has to be doubts.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:08 pm
by Bosscat
Wow Max cocks it up and sticks it in the wall ... possible 5 place penalty ... Hamilton aces it ... the usual Hamilton hater suspects stick the boot in
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A week ago Hamilton went from 10th on the grid to win ... get over it Hamilton chaps is number one ... all this negativity just gives you heartburn
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:10 am
by RammyClaret61
Mind that wall Max…. Whoops.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:43 am
by minnieclaret
If you know, you know.
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Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:20 pm
by Firthy
Botas really needs to earn his crust today and make sure Verstappen doesn't pass him before the first corner. Even if he has to tough it out and not back out, Verstappen won't. that's for sure. Botas doesn't have to worry about a collission but Verstappen does.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 1:48 pm
by NewClaret
Firthy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:20 pm
Botas really needs to earn his crust today and make sure Verstappen doesn't pass him before the first corner. Even if he has to tough it out and not back out, Verstappen won't. that's for sure. Botas doesn't have to worry about a collission but Verstappen does.
Completely agree. Hotta’s has looked rapid since the announcement he was leaving. He needs to show that pace today, earn Merc some points and help out his team mate.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 1:54 pm
by KRBFC
Bosscat wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:08 pm
get over it Hamilton''s car is number one ...
I agree pal
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:58 pm
by tarkys_ears
F2 has been a mess this weekend.
Lump your house on there being a safety car in the F1 race.
Gonna be carnage
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:29 pm
by claretburns
tarkys_ears wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:58 pm
F2 has been a mess this weekend.
Lump your house on there being a safety car in the F1 race.
Gonna be carnage
500/1 for both Haas' to have a points finish, if they can avoid the trouble there could be many cars out hitting the wall, so a slight possibility.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:30 pm
by NellyDBFC
Any links ?
Thanks
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:30 pm
by claretburns
NewClaret wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 1:48 pm
Completely agree. Hotta’s has looked rapid since the announcement he was leaving. He needs to show that pace today, earn Merc some points and help out his team mate.
I presume Bottas auto corrected to Hotta's? If so, Bottas has been awful all season and even more since it was announced he was leaving.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:52 pm
by Lowbankclaret
They have not changed zMax’s gearbox.
That could spell disaster with it turning into a dnf.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:28 pm
by Lowbankclaret
My money is on a first corner crash and red flag.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:44 pm
by Lowbankclaret
3 very close calls into the first corner, but they all made it through.
Looking like you cannot get too close to the car in front, so could be a boring procession at the front.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:49 pm
by Lowbankclaret
First safety car, mick in the barriers on lap 10.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:58 pm
by tarkys_ears
Red flag.
Knew pitting was a bad idea for merc. A red flag is always coming when a tecpro barrier is hit they need replacing.
Did Toto not watch F2??
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:59 pm
by Colburn_Claret
********, how can it take that long to decide to red flag.
The powers that be are determined that Hamton won't win this championship.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:03 pm
by Colburn_Claret
tarkys_ears wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:58 pm
Red flag.
Knew pitting was a bad idea for merc. A red flag is always coming when a tecpro barrier is hit they need replacing.
Did Toto not watch F2??
If they knew why not red flag it straight away, I'm not saying you're wrong, but if you're right, why do you know more than the marshalls running the race.
A bit like 20 20 being won by the toss of a coin, F1 seems to be won by the stewards, rather than on the track.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:04 pm
by Firthy
What a totsl farce. Corrupt way to hand the world championship to Verstappen. Rules need changing so no tyre change or work on the cars during a red flag stoppage.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:04 pm
by jos
Well, advantage Red Bull. Come on Max
Not a Lewis hater by any means, just want Max to win for a change.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:06 pm
by Taffy on the wing
Is Sepp Blatter involved in F1 these days?..........Just wondering like.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:06 pm
by Herts Clarets
Red Bull hit the jackpot. Merc need to try something different. Lewis onto mediums as he has run the required 2 sets and try to get past Max and gamble his hard set won't last 35 laps. Max's mediums were blistered quite badly so questions over the durability.
Going to be very interesting....
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:07 pm
by jos
Firthy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:04 pm
What a totsl farce. Corrupt way to hand the world championship to Verstappen. Rules need changing so no tyre change or work on the cars during a red flag stoppage.
Commentator just saying this has benefited Lewis in the past - Rules is rules
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:09 pm
by claretburns
Many of these decisions have gone the way of Mercedes and Hamilton in the past, just one of those things where today it has gone towards Red Bull and Verstappen. With the supreme skill on Hamilton though, I can still see him winning this race.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:11 pm
by tarkys_ears
They need to get rid of tyre changes during red flags. Especially it counting as the "mandatory" change.
It's never been a fair rule and has pretty much benefitted someone every single red flag.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:11 pm
by jos
claretburns wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:09 pm
Many of these decisions have gone the way of Mercedes and Hamilton in the past, just one of those things where today it has gone towards Red Bull and Verstappen. With the supreme skill on Hamilton though, I can still see him winning this race.
Yes I can see that too, and he does have the faster car.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:12 pm
by Lowbankclaret
If you look at the crash, one of Micks rear wheels punctured the tec pro barrier.
That section needs to be replaced, it’s a red flag .
I agree with the poster who said the F2 race was stopped as was the FP2 when Leclerc crashed.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:19 pm
by Lowbankclaret
tarkys_ears wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:11 pm
They need to get rid of tyre changes during red flags. Especially it counting as the "mandatory" change.
It's never been a fair rule and has pretty much benefitted someone every single red flag.
You can change lots of things during a red flag, as long as it can be done in the time in the pit Lane.
It’s been the same for years, on the day a Lewis gets it wrong you want the rules changing.
There might be another soon as it’s looking like a static start again.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:20 pm
by tarkys_ears
Pfff...
Another red flag
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:25 pm
by Lowbankclaret
Got to be another red flag.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:25 pm
by tarkys_ears
Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:19 pm
You can change lots of things during a red flag, as long as it can be done in the time in the pit Lane.
It’s been the same for years, on the day a Lewis gets it wrong you want the rules changing.
There might be another soon as it’s looking like a static start again.
1) I am in no way a Lewis fan
2) I've wanted this rule changing since before verstappen was in F1
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:26 pm
by Lowbankclaret
Max has to go back to 3rd with Ocon leading,.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:26 pm
by Herts Clarets
Lewis well clear into the first corner. Max gained advantage by going off the circuit. Hope they give Lewis the place he already had. Twists and turns....
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:27 pm
by TheOriginalLongsider
I can’t see this race actually finishing !
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:30 pm
by Lowbankclaret
Lewis also broke the formation lap rules, you have to stay within 10 car lengths.
Could get a 5 second penalty for that.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:32 pm
by claretburns
Also in the first corner carnage, Bottas went off track and came back on, any penalties for him?
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:33 pm
by claretburns
Plus Bottas under the safety car driving purposely slow to hold up Verstappen, seems Mercedes getting a lot for them today.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:33 pm
by tarkys_ears
Nah he lost 1 or 2 positions
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:37 pm
by Herts Clarets
Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:30 pm
Lewis also broke the formation lap rules, you have to stay within 10 car lengths.
Could get a 5 second penalty for that.
Race director says its a restart not a formation lap so 10 car lengths rule not operative.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:38 pm
by Roosterbooster
Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:30 pm
Lewis also broke the formation lap rules, you have to stay within 10 car lengths.
Could get a 5 second penalty for that.
Some suggestion it wasn't technically a formation lap
Either way, a mental race
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:38 pm
by Lowbankclaret
That was interesting, formation lap rules don’t apply so Max can hold well back so Lewis has cold tyres on the next restart.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:38 pm
by gawthorpe_view
Gonna be a long night, every chance of further disruptions.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:42 pm
by Lowbankclaret
Looks like Max is rolling the dice and putting mediums on under this red flag.
Plus Lewis is on the dirty side of the track.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:43 pm
by Lowbankclaret
Roosterbooster wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:38 pm
Some suggestion it wasn't technically a formation lap
Either way, a mental race
Yes heard that too, but that also means Max can now do that to Lewis.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:44 pm
by Herts Clarets
Max on mediums. Gambling on further stoppages. Otherwise his tyres won't last 33 laps.
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:50 pm
by Lowbankclaret
Herts Clarets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:44 pm
Max on mediums. Gambling on further stoppages. Otherwise his tyres won't last 33 laps.
I agree, don’t think the hardest will last.
Max just said he is losing power
Re: Saudi GP
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:51 pm
by Lowbankclaret
These two drivers are on a different level to the rest.
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