elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:45 pm

Certainly would mean that any safety net would be employed and the pressure to get back up intensified.

I suspect it will be similar to our first season under Dyche.

We will have had to sell everyone half decent to balance the books and will be reliant on free signings to build a squad like Dyche had to do that first full season.

It’s a real shame because everything Dyche has built in his tenure could be gone with this relegation

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:38 pm

Blimey! if our next manager supersedes Dyche they'll have done one heck of a job during their tenure.

Why did you think Dyche would do a better job than Howe or Coyle?

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:17 pm

I suspect it will be similar to our first season under Dyche.

We will have had to sell everyone half decent to balance the books and will be reliant on free signings to build a squad like Dyche had to do that first full season.

It’s a real shame because everything Dyche has built in his tenure could be gone with this relegation

We all know we need fresh blood, hopefully we can get them in January. I still think for all the doom and gloom about we have enough to get out of this by some distance, but grant a little less of the rollercoaster would be nice.

Clearly dropping a division is far from ideal for any team, after that it becomes damage limitation.

taio wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:11 pm

This is disingenuous nonsense. And even if it was true I'm sure the majority of supporters will look back at our hugely successful period with appreciation for the massive achievements.

No more nonsense than the suggestion he's had no money to work with

tarkys_ears wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:23 pm

No more nonsense than the suggestion he's had no money to work with

Who said that he's had no money?

Dyche has made many mistakes: bad signings, poor tactics, poor substitutions and given us a bad reputation in the game.

But I’m still more confident with him in charge than I would be with virtually anyone else in the Premier League.

Burnley Ace wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:19 pm

Why did you think Dyche would do a better job than Howe or Coyle?

As it happens I didn't, however rightly or wrongly expectations have visibly risen for anybody succeeding Dyche, look how Man Utd have struggled to move on from Fergie's time, and no I'm not comparing Sean Dyche to Alex Ferguson, but in relative terms he's brought unprecedented success to BFC, and whoever does take the reins after Sean has a mighty touch act to follow.

smith and howe inherited squads and yet seemed to have git them winning. New Managers New Pespectives

Sean’s record is 1 win in 17. That’s just not good enough. However if he could be braver with his tactics I think we would improve. Unfortunately I don’t think he will!
Midfield no where near good enough for premier league and you have to be honest and say that’s down to him.

As houses.

I haven't read all the thread, but a new 4 year contract signed not too long ago would suggest his job is extremely safe.

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:34 am

I haven't read all the thread, but a new 4 year contract signed not too long ago would suggest his job is extremely safe.

Nail on the head, TBH I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not, yes Sean has done wonders for us, but if he feels he's in the comfort zone that can create it's own specific issues, no manager should ever think their job is totally safe, and although I'm certainly not one of the Dyche out camp yet, it has to be said our form has been horrendous for about 18 months or so now, and there doesn't appear to be an upturn on the horizon unfortunately.

Can have as long as he likes in charge for giving us the memories he has, however it doesn't mean people have to like what he is serving up, nor do they have to keep watching it.

People will keep voting with their feet, which to be fair is better than them voicing them at the games.

DAVETHEVICAR wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:54 pm

Usual crazy post after a defeat
If he goes we will be in league 1 in next few years

Your post is even crazier than the OP, we weren't even League One with Cotterill but somehow without Dyche we would be? Lmaooo

warksclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:56 pm

No way would "cheque-book" Lampard get more out of this team

Not sure where you got cheque book from, barely spent anything at Derby (aside from the Chelsea loans) and his best year at Chelsea was under transfer embargo. Dyche built this side from the ground up, of course he'd be expected to get more from it. Lampard hopefully wouldn't build such a poor side though.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:49 am

Not sure where you got cheque book from, barely spent anything at Derby (aside from the Chelsea loans) and his best year at Chelsea was under transfer embargo. Dyche built this side from the ground up, of course he'd be expected to get more from it. Lampard hopefully wouldn't build such a poor side though.

Build such a poor side that has been in the top division for how long??
For a football expert you'd expect a more reasonable opinion

Rombald wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:55 am

Build such a poor side that has been in the top division for how long??
For a football expert you'd expect a more reasonable opinion

It's bizarre isn't it SD has maintained our PL status for 6 seasons, yet apparently the keyboard warriors on here know more than him.

Rombald wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:55 am

Build such a poor side that has been in the top division for how long??
For a football expert you'd expect a more reasonable opinion

On the flip side could you not argue he has also been the one that has seen it become stale and old? We have the oldest squad in the league on close to 100m a season in wages

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:07 am

On the flip side could you not argue he has also been the one that has seen it become stale and old? We have the oldest squad in the league on close to 100m a season in wages

Fair comment, and hopefully the arrivals of Collins, Cornet & Roberts suggests a change in approach, and the targeting of younger players.

We certainly need to clear the decks of some high earners next summer, and this should create space for 5/6 new signings.

However obviously the extent of this rebuild will vary depending on what division we're competing in, but we do need to refresh the squad as even I will admit it's become stale, I just hope we can somehow scramble PL survival before the rebuild occurs.

Dyche has been as frustrated as anybody about the lack of money he has had available to spend in the last few years. He is now working with an ageing squad and little prospect of matching the spending of virtually every other club in the Premier League. We need a couple of wins to edge us back into contention. We have had bad luck in some games and poor refereeing decisions. Let’s get behind Sean and the lads. I speak to lots of people who support Burnley and most appear to be fully behind him. It’s only when I view on line comments that there is so much negativity towards him. I hope he stays.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:07 am

On the flip side could you not argue he has also been the one that has seen it become stale and old? We have the oldest squad in the league on close to 100m a season in wages

Some have glass half full, with real appreciation for what has been achieved.
Others will always look to pick holes
This thread was specifically askimg the question if his job is safe.
I'll still take my chances on our best manager of most of our lifetimes, having the best chance of keeping us up.
You,clearly, think differently (and that's an understatement)

Rombald wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:20 am

Some have glass half full, with real appreciation for what has been achieved.
Others will always look to pick holes
This thread was specifically askimg the question if his job is safe.
I'll still take my chances on our best manager of most of our lifetimes, having the best chance of keeping us up.
You,clearly, think differently (and that's an understatement)

You couldn’t be more wrong.
I am Dyche in. Purely down to the fact there is literally no one else I think could do a job on next to money in the championship. If he can do it once he can do it again.

However I do think he is due criticism.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:22 am

You couldn’t be more wrong.
I am Dyche in. Purely down to the fact there is literally no one else I think could do a job on next to money in the championship. If he can do it once he can do it again.

However I do think he is due criticism.

Fine.
You have a very odd way of showing the "dyche in" view then.
Each to their own

Rombald wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:23 am

Fine.
You have a very odd way of showing the "dyche in" view then.
Each to their own

It may come across as negative but I think I’m just being realistic. I am so critical because I am concerned of the financial position we are in. Who knows where we could be in 12 months if relegated.

Rombald wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:55 am

Build such a poor side that has been in the top division for how long??
For a football expert you'd expect a more reasonable opinion

Zero forward planning which has led to us being a poor side for almost 2 years. Plucky hard working defensive side sure, not an ounce of quality on the ball, not an ounce of craft/guile/speed/creativity in the 4 forwards which has led to us playing Cornet out of position. Look at the age of our squad, where's the bright youngster on the bench?

Dyche built this squad, he chose to waste £5m on Dale Stephens instead of signing a younger player with the potential to replace Cork (which we now need btw).

He chose to sell Vokes and fritter money away on Crouch and then spend close to £20m on then 30 year old Jay Rodriguez.

Dyche chose to bring in Aaron Lennon instead of signing a potential replacement for an injury prone one legged awful Gudmundsson.

The 3 areas we currently lack: CM, ST, RM.

It's not anyone elses fault Dyche doesn't operate in the loan market or use the loans on the rare occasion he does. Bamford never got a chance, he'd have been perfect for us, a large part of his family are Burnley fans too. Now look at Bamford since..... a poor decision

Ah good, the tired old crap about Vokes and Crouch...

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:38 am

Zero forward planning which has led to us being a poor side for almost 2 years. Plucky hard working defensive side sure, not an ounce of quality on the ball, not an ounce of craft/guile/speed/creativity in the 4 forwards which has led to us playing Cornet out of position. Look at the age of our squad, where's the bright youngster on the bench?

Dyche built this squad, he chose to waste £5m on Dale Stephens instead of signing a younger player with the potential to replace Cork (which we now need btw).

He chose to sell Vokes and fritter money away on Crouch and then spend close to £20m on then 30 year old Jay Rodriguez.

Dyche chose to bring in Aaron Lennon instead of signing a potential replacement for an injury prone one legged awful Gudmundsson.

The 3 areas we currently lack: CM, ST, RM.

It's not anyone elses fault Dyche doesn't operate in the loan market or use the loans on the rare occasion he does. Bamford never got a chance, he'd have been perfect for us, a large part of his family are Burnley fans too. Now look at Bamford since..... a poor decision

Zero forward planning..hmm. OK
Bamford was poor at Burnley. Not the only side he has been either. Sometimes it's a team fit that needs to happen. Clearly that wasn't the case with him. Som of his family being Burnley fans has absolutely zero relevance.
Your vokes and crouch take is simply incorrect. I could go on.
He has been working with one hand tied behind his back, and done an amazing job.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:35 am

It may come across as negative but I think I’m just being realistic. I am so critical because I am concerned of the financial position we are in. Who knows where we could be in 12 months if relegated.

It is negative. You were negative before your current guessing on the financial state of the club.
Realism is knowing that we will always struggle to some extent in the top division. This season will be really tough but I'll try and enjoy it whilst I can thanks.

No manager should feel safe with a run of 1 win in 17. If we don’t get out of this slump it is going to affect who we can attract in the January window and also who wants to stay.

Rombald wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:51 am

Zero forward planning..hmm. OK
Bamford was poor at Burnley. Not the only side he has been either. Sometimes it's a team fit that needs to happen. Clearly that wasn't the case with him. Som of his family being Burnley fans has absolutely zero relevance.
Your vokes and crouch take is simply incorrect. I could go on.
He has been working with one hand tied behind his back, and done an amazing job.

Bamford wasn't given a chance....
Vokes was sold, Crouch brought in because we couldn't get Rodriguez in the January window and had to wait until the summer.... not wrong at all.

give or take £25m on Stephens and Rodriguez, what have either contributed? apart from contribute towards us being a worse team for them being in it.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:12 pm

Bamford wasn't given a chance....
Vokes was sold, Crouch brought in because we couldn't get Rodriguez in the January window and had to wait until the summer.... not wrong at all.

give or take £25m on Stephens and Rodriguez, what have either contributed? apart from contribute towards us being a worse team for them being in it.

So the Vokes sale and 6mth signing of a bench warmer was ok then, makes sense to most on here apart from you....

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:12 pm

Bamford wasn't given a chance....
Vokes was sold, Crouch brought in because we couldn't get Rodriguez in the January window and had to wait until the summer.... not wrong at all.

give or take £25m on Stephens and Rodriguez, what have either contributed? apart from contribute towards us being a worse team for them being in it.

No doubt Dyche has made mistakes, and his very short minded view on who and what we could bring in also hasn't helped

But he's got a lot more hits than misses, and the reality of who we are and what we can do at this level is obvious.....well, to most of us

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:14 pm

No doubt Dyche has made mistakes, and his very short minded view on who and what we could bring in also hasn't helped

But he's got a lot more hits than misses, and the reality of who we are and what we can do at this level is obvious.....well, to most of us

but what he has achieved isn't up for debate, the topic is about where we are right now and going forwards.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:17 pm

but what he has achieved isn't up for debate, the topic is about where we are right now and going forwards.

Well, it is, if you are bringing up Bamford and Crouch surely?

Going forwards, we spent nothing in the first transfer window under AP, did exceptionally well in the summer one and need to do exceptionally well in the Xmas one

Thing is, I have to be honest, if we get relegated then I think it might be time for a fresh start, especially with so many players out of contract, but as we are not relegated, and have the best man for the job at the moment (IMHO of course!) then its probably better to see if we can get the three points we need to get out of the relegation zone.

I'm open to a formation change, but it has to be realistic (I think Spice has mentioned that McNeill as a No 10 is a possibility) but when we are on it, our 4-4-2 can be very effective at this level

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:21 pm

Well, it is, if you are bringing up Bamford and Crouch surely?

Going forwards, we spent nothing in the first transfer window under AP, did exceptionally well in the summer one and need to do exceptionally well in the Xmas one

Thing is, I have to be honest, if we get relegated then I think it might be time for a fresh start, especially with so many players out of contract, but as we are not relegated, and have the best man for the job at the moment (IMHO of course!) then its probably better to see if we can get the three points we need to get out of the relegation zone.

I'm open to a formation change, but it has to be realistic (I think Spice has mentioned that McNeill as a No 10 is a possibility) but when we are on it, our 4-4-2 can be very effective at this level

The striker situation we're in now has been a problem since Vokes left, the Vokes replacement was absolutely vital we forward planned ahead to not just replace Vokes but Barnes too in 1 transfer. If we'd have signed a 23 year old striker, he'd be still relatively young now (and likely hitting his prime years)
instead we brought in a 30 year old who was past his best when Soton sold him, he's now 32 years old, on mega money and predictably not very good.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:17 pm

but what he has achieved isn't up for debate, the topic is about where we are right now and going forwards.

In terms of Dyche, the only real measure of what happens going forward are his achievements of the past. We are in a difficult period that may ultimately result in relegation but the same, and in my view to a larger extent, is true if he was replaced.

Essentially

Has Dyche got us out of trouble before?

Yes

More than once?

Yes

Crikey, sounds like he's the best man for the job to be honest

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:34 pm

Essentially

Has Dyche got us out of trouble before?

Yes

More than once?

Yes

Crikey, sounds like he's the best man for the job to be honest

BFS never had relegation on his CV until he was appointed at West Brom. Yes you are right about Sean getting us out of trouble before but this is different things have deteriorated real bad he could get away with it back then even though some of us could see later on down the line the wheels were coming off & lo & behold here we are.

MACCA wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:44 am

People will keep voting with their feet, which to be fair is better than them voicing them at the games.

True

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:34 pm

Essentially

Has Dyche got us out of trouble before?

Yes

More than once?

Yes

Crikey, sounds like he's the best man for the job to be honest

I think the three big differences this time are:

1. We have new owners and a new chairman.

2. The financial security of the club is now almost completely dependent on retaining our PL status.

3. The run we're currently on is actually worse than anything we've experienced before.

We're in new territory, basically, which is what prompted me to start the thread and ask the question.

Yes is the simple answer.

Coincidently Jesse Marsch is now available.

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:31 am

Nail on the head, TBH I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not, yes Sean has done wonders for us, but if he feels he's in the comfort zone that can create it's own specific issues, no manager should ever think their job is totally safe, and although I'm certainly not one of the Dyche out camp yet, it has to be said our form has been horrendous for about 18 months or so now, and there doesn't appear to be an upturn on the horizon unfortunately.

Said it before on previous thread, the time it took to get that contract signed....suggests to me there are caveats in there for both parties.

If the questioned means is he safe from the sack from this board then I would say most definitely not, simply becuase if your going to sack someone then you must be very sure of replacing them with someone better.

I don't think they can replace SD and his team with someone better that's why he is relatively safe.

Peter Loo wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:44 pm

If the questioned means is he safe from the sack from this board then I would say most definitely not, simply becuase if your going to sack someone then you must be very sure of replacing them with someone better.

I don't think they can replace SD and his team with someone better that's why he is relatively safe.

In the days of Garlick I would definitely agree, do we have a totally different mindset with the man at the top now. ?

Hypothetically If Dyche goes his back room staff would go with him I presume. Therefore who would be in charge of the team on an interim basis?

brexit wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:58 pm

Hypothetically If Dyche goes his back room staff would go with him I presume. Therefore who would be in charge of the team on an interim basis?

Several people on here seem to have a high opinion of themselves...we could choose one of them

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:59 pm

Several people on here seem to have a high opinion of themselves...we could choose one of them

I agree but I am intrigued to see how far into the coaching staff Dyche's influence stretches - he must have had a say in most of the coaching positions.

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:34 pm

Essentially

Has Dyche got us out of trouble before?

Yes

More than once?

Yes

Crikey, sounds like he's the best man for the job to be honest

even if you ignore the got us out of trouble bit - he's got us promoted TWICE - that alone means he gets a crack at it