First defeat since 16 October (Versus Citeh) and it's all doom and gloom

O Me Miserum

Get a ******** grip !

RalphCoatesComb wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:54 pm

First defeat since 16 October (Versus Citeh) and it's all doom and gloom

O Me Miserum

Get a ******** grip !

Luckily most of them don’t actually go and watch us so you’ll not hear it at the games

Have to admire the levels of hurt our fans feel, but agree we don’t take a blow well. All the fragility that they bombast the players for.

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:59 pm

Luckily most of them don’t actually go and watch us so you’ll not hear it at the games

Most of them don't actually support Burnley FC let alone go to games

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:59 pm

Luckily most of them don’t actually go and watch us so you’ll not hear it at the games

And you know that how?

To say we have been in the bottom 3 most of the season I think the fan base has been remarkably restraint.

Today was a bitter blow, but it certainly wasn't terminal to our season.

And in the last 9 games we've only lost twice, so those folks calling for Dyche's head seriously need to get a grip, yes things aren't great ATM, but we've had far worse scenarios and survived, let's just wait and see where we are following the Christmas schedule before writing the season off quite yet.

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:59 pm

Have to admire the levels of hurt our fans feel, but agree we don’t take a blow well.

We all feel the hurt and simply want us to survive. Performances have been good enough to win but... fine margins... a penalty not given here, a poor decision there, a slip on the Turf, and even a dropped ball.

Feeling the hurt is one thing but, supporting your team is something else !

Get behind your team and your manager !

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:59 pm

Luckily most of them don’t actually go and watch us so you’ll not hear it at the games

Well I "go and watch us" and I had 2 days in Wolverhampton followed by 3 days here in Newcastle and we deserved our draw at Wolves without really looking threatening and we really deserved a draw at the very least today! BUT, we have to be honest, we lost to a really poor team today who I still believe will go down and hadn't beaten ANYBODY all season and if that's not a marker of how poor we've become at "grinding out results when it matters" then I don't know what is. If you lose to City it's really not doom and gloom. If you lose to this shower up here, it definitely is (imo!)

Dark Cloud wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:07 pm

If you lose to City it's really not doom and gloom. If you lose to this shower up here, it definitely is (imo!)

And, we lost to an uncharacteristic mistake

Just two clean sheets all season for Newcastle, I think. Both against us.

All BFC fans are entitled to an opinion, whether that be positive or negative. The reason being is we are all pationate about our club. Some will sit and look for the positives some will look how we could have done better and feel better to get this off their chests with like minded fans who know the subject matter. If there is 1 thing I have learned in life in life in the the last 12 months, it is never stop anyone talking and give everyone their chance to talk. We all want the same thing some are glass half full some are glass half empty, but we all want the same thing.

1 win in 17

Dark Cloud wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:07 pm

Well I "go and watch us" and I had 2 days in Wolverhampton followed by 3 days here in Newcastle and we deserved our draw at Wolves without really looking threatening and we really deserved a draw at the very least today! BUT, we have to be honest, we lost to a really poor team today who I still believe will go down and hadn't beaten ANYBODY all season and if that's not a marker of how poor we've become at "grinding out results when it matters" then I don't know what is. If you lose to City it's really not doom and gloom. If you lose to this shower up here, it definitely is (imo!)

Three days is Newcastle DC ??

I'll keep an eye on No.14 buddy.

Oh stop it. We lost to a team who had not won a game all season, and it's December. They've not even looked like winning a game all season until we showed up today. It's not unfair to call out how awful the result was today, along with the response after going a goal down, when it leaves us looking as vulnerable to relegation we have done since we came back up in 2016.

As I've said many times before, this is a fans discussion forum. It's a totally different forum to the Turf. So this "shut up and get behind the team" stuff is irrelevant on this forum, as it makes no difference to the outcome of a game, unlike the atmosphere on a game. Therefore, it shouldn't be a surprise that people criticise on here but don't bring it to the Turf.

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:05 pm

Today was a bitter blow, but it certainly wasn't terminal to our season.

And in the last 9 games we've only lost twice, so those folks calling for Dyche's head seriously need to get a grip, yes things aren't great ATM, but we've had far worse scenarios and survived, let's just wait and see where we are following the Christmas schedule before writing the season off quite yet.

Go on then name a worse run than the one we are on and survived .

joey13 wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:19 pm

Go on then name a worse run than the one we are on and survived .

In 18/19 we got 5 points over a period of twelve matches. We had 12 points at the half way mark and survived with three games to spare, gaining 28 points in the second half of the season.

Well, you did ask!

Even Sheffield won a few last season. Newcastle weren't going to go without a win forever. Sods law they got the lucky break against us and whilst still enjoying new manager bounce.

It's bitterly disappointing to lose today but we didn't deserve to lose

joey13 wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:19 pm

Go on then name a worse run than the one we are on and survived .

17/18 when we had 12 points at Xmas, and had just been thumped 5-1 at home to Everton, admittedly Sean did ring the changes after that, and possibly that's something he'll have to ponder again.

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:59 pm

Luckily most of them don’t actually go and watch us so you’ll not hear it at the games

An awful lot of dissent at the match today, both against Dyche and on the playing side, mainly Westwood but that doesn’t fit the narrative, does it?

joey13 wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:19 pm

Go on then name a worse run than the one we are on and survived .

You have been told

RalphCoatesComb wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:54 pm

First defeat since 16 October (Versus Citeh) and it's all doom and gloom

O Me Miserum

Get a ******** grip !

Not real fans IMO......

BLH_Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:25 pm

An awful lot of dissent at the match today, both against Dyche and on the playing side, mainly Westwood but that doesn’t fit the narrative, does it?

There wasn’t “an awful lot of dissent”. That’s a massive exaggeration

I tend to think we froze on the day (our attacking anyway) which is hugely disappointing but we were also unlucky (a half error, a crucial injury, bad luck hitting the post and a tight offside).

I think we’ll stay up. But we’ve made it hard for ourselves, our chances of relegation have probably tripled today, and Cornet may have played his last Burnley game till February (African Nations etc).

A balanced view. That feels appropriate tonight.

Murger wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:03 pm

And you know that how?

Well, they're always moaning and whining on the match thread for a start!

Taffy on the wing wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:40 pm

Well, they're always moaning and whining on the match thread for a start!

Wouldn't worry about it Taff, if they're posting on the match thread during a game they're obviously not on the game. Not proper fans IMO.

We're fooked,and that's from a season ticket holder .

BabylonClaret wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:23 pm

Even Sheffield won a few last season. Newcastle weren't going to go without a win forever. Sods law they got the lucky break against us and whilst still enjoying new manager bounce.

It's bitterly disappointing to lose today but we didn't deserve to lose

I was there and we did deserve to lose today.

Too many players below par today.

ksrclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:44 pm

Wouldn't worry about it Taff, if they're posting on the match thread during a game they're obviously not on the game. Not proper fans IMO.

I was referring to you & your mates, mate!

I have been to every match home and away this season and the two things that have been consistent is the players performance and dyches inability to change tactics.
You need to stop blaming the board, the officials and the players. Dyche picks the team and the tactics - he is responsible.
We have the lowest total shots in the league https://www.footstats.co.uk/index.cfm?task=league_other which paints a picture.

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:59 pm

Luckily most of them don’t actually go and watch us so you’ll not hear it at the games

You clearly weren’t in the away end today then haha.

Yeah let's just keep kidding ourselves that we're playing well and we're going to start winning games soon.

BabylonClaret wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:23 pm

It's bitterly disappointing to lose today but we didn't deserve to lose

Whether we "deserved" to lose or not today is irrelevant, the fact is that we lost. Furthermore we went in a goal down at half time when Pope had nothing to do in the first half, except collect a few crosses. This is the definition of relegation football.

In the second half we had no shots on the goal when we were behind in the scoring. I could have played in goal for Newcastle.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:20 pm

You clearly weren’t in the away end today then haha.

Oh here he is!

Well done mate, you made it to your home town ground to have a go at the players you supposedly support

Did we look like scoring today? Or against Wolves?

Burnley Ace wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:26 pm

Did we look like scoring today? Or against Wolves?

Well JBG hit the post, JRod scored but was a few inches offside and Cornet brought a decent save from what I think was a scuffed header. Had he placed it where he intended it could well have been a goal. Vydra fluffed his lines when through, not for the first time.

Winstonswhite wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:26 pm

Oh here he is!

Well done mate, you made it to your home town ground to have a go at the players you supposedly support

Just keeping posters right as many do with me.

He clearly wasn’t in the away end today. Because there was plenty of fans showing distaste to Dyche and the team today.

OK you happy clappers/ostriches. Keep burying your head in the sand.
One win in 17.
10 goals in 14 games.
Game plan (if there is one) goes out the window the minute we go a goal down.
Plan B? You could have fooled me.
Midfield? What? Who? Where?
Pace/speed - who? None.
Brentford apart, we couldn't beat Norwich, Leeds, Brighton, Palace and now Newcastle (who hadn't won a game prior).
Just who are going to win against?
And folk are slagged off on here for being doom & gloom/ not proper fans/ where were you in Div 4 ? yadda yadda.
Unless there is a seismic change, it's the Championship next season.

Bosscat wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:26 pm

You have been told

Still won more then than 1 win in17

Taffy on the wing wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:40 pm

Well, they're always moaning and whining on the match thread for a start!

Don’t you normally bail out when that happens

Look at me ..Im a season ticket holder ..and nobody is allowed an opinion of our very poor form ....get a grip ..im a season ticket holder and I'm very worried

Just home.

We’ve played poorly for the last two games but only conceded one goal. We had our chances today, and had say JBG’s shot gone the other side of the post, or even Pope’s clanger not occurred, I think we’d have gone on to win it. Certainly no need to overreact. Things are not going for us at the moment though.

I’m definitely not anti Dyche /or a Dyche out man after what he’s given us. However he has a huge role to play in this (less than Garlick but still a role). This side wont stay up. It’s won 2 in 24/ 1 in 14… lost / drawn winnable games and needs a run beyond what it’s produced in that last 12 months. It’s a squad full of workers and devoid of quality and unfortunately when we do go down we could spiral / flounder at best. We started the season playing quite well… and we won 1 game that’s what scares me the most

I just can't see where the next win is coming from

KlyBfc wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:47 pm

We started the season playing quite well… and we won 1 game that’s what scares me the most

That’s the sanest comment on here tonight. The issue is we’re playing ok but just not winning and that’s a massive worry.

It’s probably what Dyche means when he’s jabbering on about “details”. It’s a pretty important detail!

KlyBfc wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:47 pm

I’m definitely not anti Dyche /or a Dyche out man after what he’s given us. However he has a huge role to play in this (less than Garlick but still a role). This side wont stay up. It’s won 2 in 24/ 1 in 14… lost / drawn winnable games and needs a run beyond what it’s produced in that last 12 months. It’s a squad full of workers and devoid of quality and unfortunately when we do go down we could spiral / flounder at best. We started the season playing quite well… and we won 1 game that’s what scares me the most

I agree that there doesn’t yet seem to be a sense of urgency to go out & get wins. I sense an attitude that “we’ve been here before, we’ll be fine”. Today wasn’t a horrendous performance or result but there was a lack of urgency; balls being played behind players, constantly checking back instead of taking risks, etc. Dyche definitely needs to demand more to go out and start getting wins and that means making changes.

I still say those that would prefer to see him go are nuts.
Someone contested the fact that he hasn't had money to spend !
It's madness, we are paupers in this division, we have been since he arrived comparatively.
Do you really believe he would choose ageing players to do his work on the pitch ?
Its a bad run admittedly, but that's all it is. How can supporters dismiss previous achievements so easily?
even a relatively short lived run would see us clear the drop slot, and theres plenty of games left to do that.
He is our best manager unquestionably, but inevitably impatient fans who basically know nowt, immediately want a replacement. Dyche is by far and away the best option for continued success in this league.
And moaning about his selections and substitutions on the back of defeats is gibberish.
The critics normally fade into the background on the back of a good win, but as soon as we need to dig in, the knives come out. Poor , really poor.

KlyBfc wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:47 pm

I’m definitely not anti Dyche /or a Dyche out man after what he’s given us. However he has a huge role to play in this (less than Garlick but still a role). This side wont stay up. It’s won 2 in 24/ 1 in 14… lost / drawn winnable games and needs a run beyond what it’s produced in that last 12 months. It’s a squad full of workers and devoid of quality and unfortunately when we do go down we could spiral / flounder at best. We started the season playing quite well… and we won 1 game that’s what scares me the most

In the last 38 premier league games, (equal to a full PL season,) we have won 8, drawn 12 and lost 18. Points 36. Not great, but its been a while since a team with 36 went down. I’m also concerned about our current form but the sample size in your quote may not be big enough.That being said, it hard to see anyone outside the current bottom four being relegated, and Newcastle will probably buy their way out of trouble in January.

maidenover wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:19 pm

... but its been a while since a team with 36 went down.

At the moment, 36 points seems pretty unlikely.

Wile E Coyote wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:11 pm

I still say those that would prefer to see him go are nuts.

Correct