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Launderettes full of soiled bed sheets tomorrow…RalphCoatesComb wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:54 pmFirst defeat since 16 October (Versus Citeh) and it's all doom and gloom
O Me Miserum
Get a ******** grip !
If it makes you happy to believe that then let’s not let the truth get in the way. Stay happy and pretend all is well.Winstonswhite wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:32 pmThere wasn’t “an awful lot of dissent”. That’s a massive exaggeration
Some good points above, however the moaning and general negativity is painful on here.ksrclaret wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:18 pmOh stop it. We lost to a team who had not won a game all season, and it's December. They've not even looked like winning a game all season until we showed up today. It's not unfair to call out how awful the result was today, along with the response after going a goal down, when it leaves us looking as vulnerable to relegation we have done since we came back up in 2016.
As I've said many times before, this is a fans discussion forum. It's a totally different forum to the Turf. So this "shut up and get behind the team" stuff is irrelevant on this forum, as it makes no difference to the outcome of a game, unlike the atmosphere on a game. Therefore, it shouldn't be a surprise that people criticise on here but don't bring it to the Turf.
Whose happy? I wasn’t saying there wasn’t any disappointed or frustrated fans, of course there was. But saying there was loads of dissent is ********. For that to have been the case, you’d hear loads of booing which there clearly wasn’t.BLH_Claret wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:03 amIf it makes you happy to believe that then let’s not let the truth get in the way. Stay happy and pretend all is well.
Not going to argue with you.Winstonswhite wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:26 amWhose happy? I wasn’t saying there wasn’t any disappointed or frustrated fans, of course there was. But saying there was loads of dissent is ********. For that to have been the case, you’d hear loads of booing which there clearly wasn’t.
No fan takes a blow well, which with me being a realist, I have accepted that relegation is now more likely than unlikely. It means the impact to me in May will be less drastic, and I will still support the club just as much when we inevitably will be playing Championship football. Sadly its a way of protecting one's mental health.For a number of games SD's favourite quote of "we have been there before, and know what is required" has been going through my own belief, but sadly that is slowly evaporating. I am realising the unbeaten run of previous seasons, including a good smattering of win,s is simply not going to happen. Yes we might grind out some battling draws but there will be more games like yesterday where a mistake, a well taken goal, or a disputed VAR goal cost us all the points. The facts are there to see. One win only this season, and we have played a number of clubs traditionally at the lower end, and only two PL wins since early May. The quality of our forwards is of real concern-take out Wood and Cornet who is being used as a make shift forward, and combined, Barnes, Vydra and Rodriguez have scored 7 goals in almost one and a half seasons. Sadly these three have missed more than they have scored. Its going to take a minor miracle or a collapse from Watford, Brentford or Southampton which will salvage us.This is not me being negative, but being a realistic. I am not knocking the team-they have I believe been over performing for a number of seasons, however the lack of genuine quality and investment will eventually catch up with them. I hope genuinely I am wrong, however the facts and trends would indicate otherwise, and it wont stop me making the 340 mile round trip to next weeks West Ham gameelwaclaret wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:59 pmHave to admire the levels of hurt our fans feel, but agree we don’t take a blow well. All the fragility that they bombast the players for.
This comment could have been lifted off the Sheff Utd board this time last year.
Firstly I doubt anyone would have the nerve, bottle, whatever about them, to say something.MACCA wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:20 amThe players got the train back, it would have been interesting to know if anyone had anything yo say to them as walked through the station all smiles znd laughter.
I was absolutely furious at full time yesterday, I can't recall the last time I watched us where it looked like we didn't actually have a plan.
No plan, no creativity and no passion.
I'd have asked them a few questions should I have seen them, there's nothing wrong with asking questions if it's done in the right manner.
Absolutely nothing amiss with the players smiling and laughing on the way home like a band of brothers . Would you prefer them to look like a ragtag bunch of misfits?MACCA wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:20 amThe players got the train back, it would have been interesting to know if anyone had anything yo say to them as walked through the station all smiles znd laughter.
I was absolutely furious at full time yesterday, I can't recall the last time I watched us where it looked like we didn't actually have a plan.
No plan, no creativity and no passion.
This could be copied and pasted after every game we've lost in the past three/four seasonsKRBFC wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:40 amI mean we can all bury our head in the sand and pretend we're not shite if you want? will that make you feel better?
Lets pretend we haven't won 1 game all season.
I've got news for you, in football when your side loses fans don't like it, you probably aren't a real fan who feels that real pain.
The big worry is though Lancaster, in that good spell we have been caught up by the two bottom sides in the league.Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:06 amThis could be copied and pasted after every game we've lost in the past three/four seasons
Its two defeats in nine
Yesterday wasn't great absolutely no doubt but the relentless posting of stuff like this from some posters is just annoying
We will be lucky to reach 26 point's
2 defeats in 9 sounds better than 1 win in 17 and 5 wins in 33...Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:06 amThis could be copied and pasted after every game we've lost in the past three/four seasons
Its two defeats in nine
Yesterday wasn't great absolutely no doubt but the relentless posting of stuff like this from some posters is just annoying
Yes it does
The difference in the record stats is it appears this bad run isn't just a small blip and has been going on for considerable time.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:13 pm£20 million on Jay Inc wages sounds far more dramatic then quoting just his transfer fee of £10 million.
That's how this game works isn't it??
Yes yes, I'm aware that there has been a shift in the agenda of some people which means including last season's results in an effort to make this season look worse than it actually is.
Well, only some of last season's results.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:17 pmYes yes, I'm aware that there has been a shift in the agenda of some people which means including last season's results in an effort to make this season look worse than it actually is.
You're a Liverpool fan (your words not mine) simply on here to pass time and tit for tat argue. You even started arguing with yourself on your two profiles (GodisDeeJay81 and Sidney) in an attempt to convince god knows who, you weren't the same person.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:17 pmYes yes, I'm aware that there has been a shift in the agenda of some people which means including last season's results in an effort to make this season look worse than it actually is.
Thing is, that doesn't matter
oh here we go the old multi-poster argument ... Classic UTCYou're also a massive whiner who had a massive meltdown one season over games you weren't even attending and made yourself look a complete ****
You're deflecting because you don't like what I'm saying, classic from you tbh, get your arse handed to you and bring that up .
Who gives a sh*t ... he handed you your rear end on a silver salver so you bring up the old classic multi-poster reply ...
Wile E Coyote wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:11 pmThe critics normally fade into the background on the back of a good win, but as soon as we need to dig in, the knives come out. Poor , really poor.
Wile E Coyote wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:11 pmI still say those that would prefer to see him go are nuts.
Someone contested the fact that he hasn't had money to spend !
It's madness, we are paupers in this division, we have been since he arrived comparatively.
Do you really believe he would choose ageing players to do his work on the pitch ?
It’s one hell of a bad run, we’ve been rank rotten throughout the whole of 2021, this isn’t temporary. The thing is most people could see this a mile off with his continued poor recruitment and reluctance to change well anything.Wile E Coyote wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:11 pmIts a bad run admittedly, but that's all it is. How can supporters dismiss previous achievements so easily?
I understand your opinion and respect it. However I don’t share it. It was a body blow, but with two sides with fragile confidence the first goal was always going to be crucial at St James Park. We started on the front foot (I was not pleased to see Cornet up top) but for thirty minutes there was only one team in it, and had one of those half chances paid a dividend we would have won comfortably. We are in a trough, but I believe we still have enough to stay up, especially with a couple more additions I expect to arrive early in the window.warksclaret wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:28 amNo fan takes a blow well, which with me being a realist, I have accepted that relegation is now more likely than unlikely. It means the impact to me in May will be less drastic, and I will still support the club just as much when we inevitably will be playing Championship football. Sadly its a way of protecting one's mental health.For a number of games SD's favourite quote of "we have been there before, and know what is required" has been going through my own belief, but sadly that is slowly evaporating. I am realising the unbeaten run of previous seasons, including a good smattering of win,s is simply not going to happen. Yes we might grind out some battling draws but there will be more games like yesterday where a mistake, a well taken goal, or a disputed VAR goal cost us all the points. The facts are there to see. One win only this season, and we have played a number of clubs traditionally at the lower end, and only two PL wins since early May. The quality of our forwards is of real concern-take out Wood and Cornet who is being used as a make shift forward, and combined, Barnes, Vydra and Rodriguez have scored 7 goals in almost one and a half seasons. Sadly these three have missed more than they have scored. Its going to take a minor miracle or a collapse from Watford, Brentford or Southampton which will salvage us.This is not me being negative, but being a realistic. I am not knocking the team-they have I believe been over performing for a number of seasons, however the lack of genuine quality and investment will eventually catch up with them. I hope genuinely I am wrong, however the facts and trends would indicate otherwise, and it wont stop me making the 340 mile round trip to next weeks West Ham game
Only one team in it?elwaclaret wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:17 pmI understand your opinion and respect it. However I don’t share it. It was a body blow, but with two sides with fragile confidence the first goal was always going to be crucial at St James Park. We started on the front foot (I was not pleased to see Cornet up top) but for thirty minutes there was only one team in it, and had one of those half chances paid a dividend we would have won comfortably. We are in a trough, but I believe we still have enough to stay up, especially with a couple more additions I expect to arrive early in the window.
A world class tackle, full of commitment and beyond effort levels you could expect. An attackNewcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:19 pmOnly one team in it?
Newcastle had the best chance from open play in the game when there player was through one on one and Taylor made a wonder block/tackle
Hear what you are saying, however after every game this season its been- "what if, what if", or "if only ...."elwaclaret wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:17 pmI understand your opinion and respect it. However I don’t share it. It was a body blow, but with two sides with fragile confidence the first goal was always going to be crucial at St James Park. We started on the front foot (I was not pleased to see Cornet up top) but for thirty minutes there was only one team in it, and had one of those half chances paid a dividend we would have won comfortably. We are in a trough, but I believe we still have enough to stay up, especially with a couple more additions I expect to arrive early in the window.
Quite agree and it’s got to change. However, look how many goals we have conceded expecting a free kick to be given; they say these things even out, while I hope they do, I don’t think we can expect any help so we need to become more resilient. We need points and as usual we will manufacture a way of getting them. Yesterday was gut wrenching, but it was a battle not the war we lost.warksclaret wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:04 pmHear what you are saying, however after every game this season its been- "what if, what if", or "if only ...."
As they say, points make prizes, and goals make points". We never look like scoring, other than set pieces, and even the execution of these is declining.We are no longer capable of "nicking a game" sadly
Does not matter how we lost. The fact is we lost.
And 1 win in 33