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Your team vs West Ham

Post by Mala591 » Thu Dec 09, 2021 3:56 pm

Every so often it’s necessary to try and break up a poor/unlucky run of results by making changes and ‘resting’ players who don’t necessarily deserve to be rested. Against West Ham I’d start with

Pope
Roberts Tarks Mee Taylor
JBG Westwood Cork McNeil
Wood Vydra

Vydra needs a couple of 90 minute games to give him a chance to improve his timing and tune in to the tempo of the PL.

Cork is more creative than Brownhill (who I like and is improving). We definitely need more creativity in central midfield.

Very tough on Lowton but we’ve a proven international overlapping right back standing by who’s raring to go.

Unless changes are made how will we know if they work or not?

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Dec 09, 2021 3:57 pm

Pope
Lowton Tarkowski Mee Taylor
JBG Brownhill Westwood McNeil
Wood Rodriguez

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Dec 09, 2021 4:00 pm

Pope
Lowton Tarks Mee Taylor
JBG Cork Westwood McNeil
Wood Vydra

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by FCBurnley » Thu Dec 09, 2021 4:17 pm

Pope
Collins Tarks Mee
Lowton Brownhill Westwood McNeil Taylor
Wood Rodriguez ( assume Cornet injured)

Lowton / Taylor wingbacks

Sean will of course stick with 442

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by warksclaret » Thu Dec 09, 2021 6:05 pm

Assuming Maxwell will not be ready

Pope
Roberts
Collins
Tarkowski
Taylor

JBG
Westwood
Brownhill
McNeil

Wood
Rodriguez

Think this is the week SD makes a key change with Roberts at RB, and Rodriguez starting for the injured MC after doing well in the last two games when he came on
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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by Goobs » Thu Dec 09, 2021 6:19 pm

Pope
Tarks Mee Collins
Roberts Brownhill Taylor
JBG Vydra Mcneil
Jayrod

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by MACCA » Thu Dec 09, 2021 6:21 pm

warksclaret wrote:
Thu Dec 09, 2021 6:05 pm
Assuming Maxwell will not be ready
Did you think it was January already?

What I think it will be #hoof

Pope
Lowton Tarky Mee Taylor
JBG Brownhill Westwood McNeil
Wood Jay

What I'd like it to be

Pope
Roberts Tarky Mee Taylor
JBG Brownhill Westwood McNeil
Wood Vydra

Just to pose a few different problems for West Ham.

Massive 6 days coming up starting on Sunday

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by claretgimmer » Thu Dec 09, 2021 6:24 pm

Pope
Roberts Tarks Mee Charlie

JBG Cork Westwood McNeill

J Rod Vydra

Service to the front men has been crap and we have a readymade provider with a track record in Roberts yet some misguided loyalty to Lowton who has defended well recently but offered little or nothing attacking wise still gets selected, Cork for me had his best game for a while at Wolves whilst I thought Brownhill was as poor as it gets at Newcastle so Cork gets the midfield berth.

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Dec 09, 2021 6:34 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Dec 09, 2021 3:57 pm
Pope
Lowton Tarkowski Mee Taylor
JBG Brownhill Westwood McNeil
Wood Rodriguez
This, or Lennon for JBG.

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by Paddy1882 » Thu Dec 09, 2021 6:45 pm

3-5-2
Pope
Collins Tarky Mee
Roberts Taylor (wing backs)
Brownhill Westwood McNeil
Wood Vydra

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by Local cricketer » Thu Dec 09, 2021 6:56 pm

I think Lennon will play

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by SalisburyClaret » Thu Dec 09, 2021 7:01 pm

Pope
Lowton
Mee
Tarkowski
Taylor

JBG
Westwood
Cork
Brownhill
McNeil

Wood

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by Devils_Advocate » Thu Dec 09, 2021 7:18 pm

Id start with 10 men and play Roberts upfront with Wood

Pope
Lowton Tarky Mee Taylor
Brownhill Westwood McNeil
Wood Roberts

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by ecc » Thu Dec 09, 2021 7:49 pm

I cannot see SD changing from 442. Whether he should or shouldn't is worthy of debate but he won't change.

I would personally like to see Roberts given some games on the right-hand-side of midfield but it won't happen. Unless, unless SD's first plan for the lad is to give him game time in his usual position. Thing is, everyone has been saying Lowts has been playing well - and by and large he has from my restricted viewings - so I just can't see the boss dropping him. Whether he will repeat Saturday's move ie giving Roberts 15 minutes at the end to push forwards I don't know. Whatever he does with Roberts I think it's clear the lad needs to get some game time in order to get him into the system.

I don't know what to make of Brownhill to be honest. I think he's someone you need to see play in situ to get a real idea and that I can't do. I do know that I would love to see Dwight stick on the left wing and attack his full back. Get crosses in for Wood. As before.

Up front: I'd go with Chris Wood and MV for several matches. We all know we desperately need more goals from attackers. I still believe in MV even though he's not going to get enough goals to meet our needs.

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Dec 09, 2021 8:00 pm

ecc wrote:
Thu Dec 09, 2021 7:49 pm
I cannot see SD changing from 442. Whether he should or shouldn't is worthy of debate but he won't change.

I would personally like to see Roberts given some games on the right-hand-side of midfield but it won't happen. Unless, unless SD's first plan for the lad is to give him game time in his usual position. Thing is, everyone has been saying Lowts has been playing well - and by and large he has from my restricted viewings - so I just can't see the boss dropping him. Whether he will repeat Saturday's move ie giving Roberts 15 minutes at the end to push forwards I don't know. Whatever he does with Roberts I think it's clear the lad needs to get some game time in order to get him into the system.

I don't know what to make of Brownhill to be honest. I think he's someone you need to see play in situ to get a real idea and that I can't do. I do know that I would love to see Dwight stick on the left wing and attack his full back. Get crosses in for Wood. As before.

Up front: I'd go with Chris Wood and MV for several matches. We all know we desperately need more goals from attackers. I still believe in MV even though he's not going to get enough goals to meet our needs.
It doesn’t matter who starts in the wide positions, unless we increase the tempo and quality on the ball our wingers won’t get into space to put a decent ball into the box.

McNeil can’t do much on the wing because every time he receives the ball there he has at least two players to beat.

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by Milltown1882 » Thu Dec 09, 2021 8:07 pm

Has there been an update on if Mee will be fit?

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Dec 09, 2021 8:10 pm

TBH, it hardly matters which 11 starts.
What matters is running off the ball and creating "overloads", as they say these days.
Something we are not going to do by punting long balls up to Chris Wood.

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by Peter Loo » Thu Dec 09, 2021 8:18 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Thu Dec 09, 2021 8:07 pm
Has there been an update on if Mee will be fit?
I was just going to ask the same thing, anyone one know please.

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by tiger76 » Thu Dec 09, 2021 9:31 pm

Pope
Lowton Tarks Mee (Collins if Ben not fit, and possibly even if he is) Taylor
JBG Cork Westwood McNeil
Wood Jay

Cork needs to come in to give us a calmness in midfield which we've lacked this season, and despite Wood being off form he's still our best chance of a goal, Jay simply has to start after his impressive displays from the bench.

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by Peter Loo » Thu Dec 09, 2021 9:55 pm

I suppose we will know about Cornet and Mee tomorrow then.

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by Elizabeth » Thu Dec 09, 2021 10:05 pm

warksclaret wrote:
Thu Dec 09, 2021 6:05 pm
Assuming Maxwell will not be ready

Pope
Roberts
Collins
Tarkowski
Taylor

JBG
Westwood
Brownhill
McNeil

Wood
Rodriguez

Think this is the week SD makes a key change with Roberts at RB, and Rodriguez starting for the injured MC after doing well in the last two games when he came on
I like this team if Mee is unfit.

However ,if the capable Collins has to continue deputising for Ben then I can’t see Dyche selecting Roberts for Lowton because that would be 2 changes to our normal back 4 and not something Dyche is known to do. Especially if he gives Rodriguez a start making it 3 changes.
When was the last time Dyche made 3 changes to our normal line up in a league game?

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by Dark Cloud » Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:53 am

Harsh as it may sound to the players left out as they aren't playing badly tbf, I'd be tempted to include Cork (at the expense of Brownhill) Collins (at the expense of Mee and Roberts (at the expense of Lowton) Something needs to change and switching personnel can sometimes be the catalyst. Collins and Cork both deputised well last week and Collins in particular would rightly feel aggrieved to be moved aside.
On another note: Does anyone know for sure Cornet's injury status? It will be absolutely crucial.

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by jojomk1 » Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:21 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Thu Dec 09, 2021 6:34 pm
This, or Lennon for JBG.
Has John Lennon got enough pace nowadays ;)

Sorry to say JBG has been very ineffective lately

Would rather Cork in the middle with Brownhill on RHS or, yes, give Roberts a chance, keeping Brownhill in the middle

We can speculate on the names but the format of 4-4-2 will remain
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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:23 pm

Pope
Lowton Tarks Mee Taylor
JBG Brownhill Cork Westwood McNeil
Wood

or go 4-4-2 and replace Cork with Jay

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by arise_sir_charge » Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:46 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:53 am
Harsh as it may sound to the players left out as they aren't playing badly tbf, I'd be tempted to include Cork (at the expense of Brownhill) Collins (at the expense of Mee and Roberts (at the expense of Lowton) Something needs to change and switching personnel can sometimes be the catalyst. Collins and Cork both deputised well last week and Collins in particular would rightly feel aggrieved to be moved aside.
On another note: Does anyone know for sure Cornet's injury status? It will be absolutely crucial.
Agree entirely with this, something has to change, we can’t keep repeating the same thing week on week.

We have limited options for change so we have to run with the obvious ones whether they seem ‘harsh’ or not, not that I think they are, so for me that would be Roberts and Cork in for Lowton and Brownhill.
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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by Nonayforever » Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:48 pm

Pope
Lowton Tarks Mee Taylor
Lennon Westwood Brownhill McNeil
Jay Vydra

Got to stop the hoof to Wood - It's just not working.

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by DukeOfBar » Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:52 pm

Pope
Lowton Tarkowski Mee Taylor
Roberts Brownhill Westwood McNeil
Wood Vydra

I know Roberts is untried there, but I think we need to try something else, so would give him a try on the right of midfield and see if he and Lowton can work well together, cover each other and offer something different.

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by claretgimmer » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:13 pm

I would agree DoB but seeing as JBG had IMO his best game for quite a while and Lowton was poor at Newcastle I would leave JBG in but maybe try him on our left

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:51 pm

jojomk1 wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:21 pm
Has John Lennon got enough pace nowadays ;)
No, but he has the ability to ghost past defenders :D

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by jojomk1 » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:35 pm

"Imagine"
any of our players being able to ghost past defenders - only in our dreams
Pure fiction, and you'd have to be a
"Paperback Writer"

I'll get my coat :(
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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by ecc » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:58 pm

If Ben is fit, Ben will play.

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Dec 10, 2021 8:13 pm

jojomk1 wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:35 pm
"Imagine"
any of our players being able to ghost past defenders - only in our dreams
Pure fiction, and you'd have to be a
"Paperback Writer"

I'll get my coat :(
They'd still have to "Get Back" and do there defensive work.

(I've already got my coat :D

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by TopCat » Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:41 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Dec 09, 2021 3:57 pm
Pope
Lowton Tarkowski Mee Taylor
JBG Brownhill Westwood McNeil
Wood Rodriguez
Don't understand why people would go against this, unless Ben is still not fit.
This is Dyche, same team....repeat, repeat.

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by StuffyClaret » Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:56 am

Why is there such demand for Lowton to be dropped? He has been arguably our most consistent player over the last half dozen or so games

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by leelad » Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:22 am

Pope
Lowton, Tarkowski, Mee, Taylor
JBG, Westwood, Brownhill, McNeil
Wood, Vydra

My mind goes back to that West Ham game at home a couple of seasons ago where we were in the mire and battling relegation. Tom Heaton came back into the side that day and we saw the emergence of Dwight McNeil in the Premiership. I'm struggling to see a similar spark here with this line up, but that's the best 11 we have in my mind. Hopefully a good week of training has taken place since Newcastle and they can give us a strong performance resulting in the 3points.

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:36 am

StuffyClaret wrote:
Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:56 am
Why is there such demand for Lowton to be dropped? He has been arguably our most consistent player over the last half dozen or so games
Because Roberts could potentially be a better option? We shouldn't be blindly sticking with players just because "they're doing OK".

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:01 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:36 am
Because Roberts could potentially be a better option? We shouldn't be blindly sticking with players just because "they're doing OK".
Lowtons been our best player this season in my opinion.

Dropping him just seems a strange decision

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by ClaretLoup » Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:02 pm

Lowton set up the best chance of the game with his ball in to Vydra. However Roberts is the future. A tough one for Dyche.

I would be inclined to start with line up we finished with at Newcastle, a bit tough on JBG who played well first half at St James.

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by claretandy » Sat Dec 11, 2021 3:31 pm

StuffyClaret wrote:
Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:56 am
Why is there such demand for Lowton to be dropped? He has been arguably our most consistent player over the last half dozen or so games
It's irrelevant anyway, Roberts is out with an unknown illness.

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by ashtonlongsider » Sat Dec 11, 2021 3:54 pm

I'm sure if we had a strong enough bench 3-4 of tomorrow's likely starting line up would be on the bench at best. As that\s not the case, I'd like to see Roberts come in for JBG, I think its worth a try.

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by beeholeclaret » Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:01 pm

Back to "hard to beat" for me!

4-5-1

Pope
Lowton Tarks Mee Taylor
Roberts Brownhill Cork Westwood McNeil
Wood


Brownhill to sit on Rice as he is a crucial playmaker for them. Roberts to provide strength and pace to support Lowton on our right flank plus long throws and crosses when we can get men forward. I would sit in a bit deeper than usual and not give space for Bowen, Antonio and co. to run into. JBG has been a bit lightweight for me this season although I would like him available as a sub if needed for 30 mins? No reason at all to drop Lowton - he has been strong and positive in what has been a poor season so far.

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by taio » Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:04 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Thu Dec 09, 2021 7:01 pm
Pope
Lowton
Mee
Tarkowski
Taylor

JBG
Westwood
Cork
Brownhill
McNeil

Wood
Same as this.

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:34 pm

StuffyClaret wrote:
Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:56 am
Why is there such demand for Lowton to be dropped? He has been arguably our most consistent player over the last half dozen or so games
Beyond me

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by RVclaret » Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:41 pm

It would be harsh on Lowton but the idea is we have 1 win in 13, were all round shocking against Newcastle and Roberts looks more attacking / has a very good long throw. Seen as though set pieces are one of our biggest threats it’s not really a stupid suggestion to bring him in is it?

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by taio » Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:47 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:41 pm
It would be harsh on Lowton but the idea is we have 1 win in 13, were all round shocking against Newcastle and Roberts looks more attacking / has a very good long throw. Seen as though set pieces are one of our biggest threats it’s not really a stupid suggestion to bring him in is it?
He's been poorly all week apparently

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by RVclaret » Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:49 pm

taio wrote:
Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:47 pm
He's been poorly all week apparently
Fair enough won’t be featuring then this week but the point still stands

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:51 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:49 pm
Fair enough won’t be featuring then this week but the point still stands
Why drop your best player this season for someone that’s not even tried at this level?
It’s just doesn’t make sense at all.

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by taio » Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:52 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:49 pm
Fair enough won’t be featuring then this week but the point still stands
Lowton doesn't deserve to be dropped.

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by RVclaret » Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:55 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:51 pm
Why drop your best player this season for someone that’s not even tried at this level?
It’s just doesn’t make sense at all.
You’re making out like Lowton has been playing like Alexander Arnold. He’s been good but even Taylor has been better lately. Like I said we’ve had one win in 13 so suggesting a new signing who probably will give more going forward and has a corner like long throw is hardly a bizarre idea. Something clearly needs to change and quickly.

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Re: Your team vs West Ham

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:58 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:55 pm
You’re making out like Lowton has been playing like Alexander Arnold. He’s been good but even Taylor has been better lately. Like I said we’ve had one win in 13 so suggesting a new signing who probably will give more going forward and has a corner like long throw is hardly a bizarre idea. Something clearly needs to change and quickly.
Off course he hasn’t played like him. We are talking about levels here, the gap between the championship and premiership is massive.

Roberts has played all of his career at that level, he will have prove he can play at this level before we even consider dropping Lowton (our best performer this season).

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