Attendances

[Stalbansclaret]

Some of the revisionism on here is unbelievable. We have played some tremendous football in Dyche's time here, contrary to much of the rubbish "hoofball" talk, and experienced some fantastic atmospheres. The Trippier/Ings/Vokes 2013/14 promotion season was tremendous, as was the 23 undefeated 2 years later and both better than the Coyle season when we just about made the play-offs. Yes that 2009 team was fantastic too ...any team with Robbie Blake in it will do for me...but for goodness sake lets not pretend there hasn't been some great stuff under Dyche. Yes we are pretty appalling right now with the lack of investment of the late Garlick era having come home to roost leaving us with an ageing, dull, paceless squad which I doubt anyone could get enough of a tune out of. Attempting to paint Dyche as some kind of villain is just laughable though and even worse when it seems some are actually holding Coyle up as the superior manager. Look at his Partridgesque decline since he left us if you want objective evidence of his calibre.

[tiger76]

Some of the revisionism on here is unbelievable. We have played some tremendous football in Dyche's time here, contrary to much of the rubbish "hoofball" talk, and experienced some fantastic atmospheres. The Trippier/Ings/Vokes 2013/14 promotion season was tremendous, as was the 23 undefeated 2 years later and both better than the Coyle season when we just about made the play-offs. Yes that 2009 team was fantastic too ...any team with Robbie Blake in it will do for me...but for goodness sake lets not pretend there hasn't been some great stuff under Dyche. Yes we are pretty appalling right now with the lack of investment of the late Garlick era having come home to roost leaving us with an ageing, dull, paceless squad which I doubt anyone could get enough of a tune out of. Attempting to paint Dyche as some kind of villain is just laughable though and even worse when it seems some are actually holding Coyle up as the superior manager. Look at his Partridgesque decline since he left us if you want objective evidence of his calibre.

Exactly! Coyle was a flash in the pan, whereas Dyche has presided over several years of success, and whatever people think of Dyche he didn't up sticks when the going got tough, unlike Coyle who couldn't wait to jump ship when we started sliding in the PL, 9 games without a win before he hopped over to Bolton let's not forget.

[Silkyskills1]

I cleared that up previously further up the thread, in that promotion season we became solid defensively towards the end and picked up some crucial 1-0 wins. 0 goals conceded in the last 6 or 7 games of the season.

A lot of emphasis being put on 'the Coyle era' here as though it was 2+ years of football heaven. In the season we got to Wembley we lost at home 2-4 to Sheff Wed on, I think, the last day of February. It was only a few weeks later we won a night match,4-2 against Crystal Palace scoring very late goals to earn us the victory. This appears to have been the catalyst for our end of season run which most definitely was exciting culminating in victory at Wembley.
The new season started well at home with three victories whilst away from home we conceded goals in increasing numbers. Mid season he jumped ship so I suggest our perceptions of an era were actually no more than 6 months at best. After that he continued to show his true colours as a coach so much so that I've no idea where he's been in the last few years.
Currently we are in a mess, of that there is no question but to compare the 'achievements of Coyle to those of Dyche is plain folly.

[evensteadiereddie]

Brilliant, Stalbansclaret, absolutely brilliant post.

[evensteadiereddie]

Not sure why you would take that rubbish from what I said but you do you, not sure why you're obsessive about other people's attendance. I could've easily shut down Vegas Claret by questioning his attendance, quite frankly it's non of my business, I don't care and I have no intention of arguing with him about that.

That'll be a no then......

[KRBFC]

Currently we are in a mess, of that there is no question but to compare the 'achievements of Coyle to those of Dyche is plain folly.

achievements is no debate, we're talking about atmosphere/attendance or lack of and the correlation between the boring Dyche football and the exciting Coyle stuff.

[AlargeClaret]

Nothing like an early KO in an early round cup against “ inferior” opposition to keep the crowds away . They’ve destroyed the fa cup with these ludicrous spread across 4 days ko’s

[Silkyskills1]

Yes, I know what you are talking about. You insinuate that every game under Coyle had us on the edge of our seats and that is palpably untrue. Just thinking of the performances at the beginning of 2008-09 ought to convince you of that. You also insinuate that every game under Dyche has been boring and that also is way,way off the mark. Revisionism like this is something you might find recorded in Hansard but attempting to 'pull the wool' over a football fan's face just doesn't work. I hasten to add that currently I have more than a few doubts regarding our management team and what we try to do next so I am ,in no way offering my opinions from a pro Dyche standpoint.

[Stalbansclaret]

achievements is no debate, we're talking about atmosphere/attendance or lack of and the correlation between the boring Dyche football and the exciting Coyle stuff.

Utter nonsense as per my earlier post. Absolute utter bull.

[KRBFC]

Utter nonsense as per my earlier post. Absolute utter bull.

Your post is revisionism, we were a solid defensive physical direct long ball side in the Championship, often on the backfoot, Keane scoring from set pieces and Gray being lethal on the break.

[RVclaret]

Your post is revisionism, we were a solid defensive physical direct long ball side in the Championship, often on the backfoot, Keane scoring from set pieces and Gray being lethal on the break.

Agree we were a pretty bad watch a lot of the time, but results were more than good enough to put up with it, particularly the defensive solidarity.

I recall the 1-0 Arfield win at Ewood where we were utter rubbish and they missed a hatful.

[KRBFC]

Agree we were a pretty bad watch a lot of the time, but results were more than good enough to put up with it, particularly the defensive solidarity.

we had a real knack of getting played off the park and winning games, some would call it luck but we did it so many times it can't be luck.

[ksrclaret]

I think, as ever, the truth lies in the middle.

We weren’t scintillating in every game in 2008-09 but the feel around the place from March onwards was like nothing I’ve experienced since.

Under Dyche, the 2013/14 season was mostly brilliant with Tripper, Ings, and Vokes shining so brightly.

The 2015/16 season was full of uninspiring workmanlike performances even in the 23 unbeaten run, save for some games when we blew the likes of Brentford and MK Dons away. I remember the Blackburn home game though when we won 1-0 with a Gray penalty - it was some of the most rigid and defensive stuff we’ve served up under Dyche.

[KRBFC]

Bolton away and Preston away are two that come to mind, we made Bolton look incredible and 2 counter attacks and lethal Gray won us the game. That Preston game the away stand full and rocking, we were incredibly poor and a Barton deflected freekick won us the game.

We were the absolute masters of taking a spanking and winning the game in moments.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Incredibly poor at Preston???

[Burnley1989]

Incredibly poor at Preston???

We’ve never been any good in his eyes, even when we won the league

I know where he’s coming from though, for a side sat top we never really blew many sides away and played them off the park

[Silkyskills1]

Bolton away and Preston away are two that come to mind, we made Bolton look incredible and 2 counter attacks and lethal Gray won us the game. That Preston game the away stand full and rocking, we were incredibly poor and a Barton deflected freekick won us the game.

We were the absolute masters of taking a spanking and winning the game in moments.

I think if you saw the Preston game again you might find we should have been well clear before half time. Yes, it got a little nervy at times in the second half but that could apply to any club anywhere in the world. Again you are being selective to try and reinforce your stance on this. The very fact that Dyche got us back up again a season after relegation and as champions was an unbelievable achievement but this all seems to be lost in your seemingly anti-Dyche agenda.

[Winstonswhite]

KRBFC you carry on about Coyles 08/09 promotion so much it makes me think that you were a young lad experiencing his football teams first successful season. Am I right?

[Bordeauxclaret]

We’ve never been any good in his eyes, even when we won the league

I know where he’s coming from though, for a side sat top we never really blew many sides away and played them off the park

The football was certainly better in the first promotion season under Dyche, no doubt about that.
It’s the constant need to make stuff up that’s just bizarre.

Things are bad at the moment, it’s ok to say it. History doesn’t need to be rewritten to prove it.

[randomclaret2]

attendances are down because the football on show from us is most weeks uninspiring. People go to football for a number of reasons, many go as an escape from the mundane...........and that's where the issue is

People are staying away these days as an escape from the mundane. Is that 2 wins in 21 games over 90 minutes this season ? And one of those was against Rochdale ? Absolutely appalling numbers.

[KRBFC]

KRBFC you carry on about Coyles 08/09 promotion so much it makes me think that you were a young lad experiencing his football teams first successful season. Am I right?

My first season was 2000/01 so yes, very much a young lad experiencing his football teams first bit of success.

[KRBFC]

I think if you saw the Preston game again you might find we should have been well clear before half time. Yes, it got a little nervy at times in the second half but that could apply to any club anywhere in the world. Again you are being selective to try and reinforce your stance on this. The very fact that Dyche got us back up again a season after relegation and as champions was an unbelievable achievement but this all seems to be lost in your seemingly anti-Dyche agenda.

It's not an anti Dyche agenda, I'm pointing out well known things, we've been a tough defensive long ball hard working side under Dyche, nothing has ever changed. We were masters of grit and resolve that season, we were a good side at that level, we won the league, we weren't a football technical side though.

[Vegas Claret]

It's not an anti Dyche agenda, I'm pointing out well known things, we've been a tough defensive long ball hard working side under Dyche, nothing has ever changed. We were masters of grit and resolve that season, we were a good side at that level, we won the league, we weren't a football technical side though.

yet we scored thew same amount of goals as the Coyle team did and might I add loads of them were stunning. The first half at Brentford for an example was better than anything I can remember seeing from a Coyle team imho (all about opinions obviously)

[Silkyskills1]

your quote higher up the page

' the correlation( do you mean comparison?) between the boring Dyche football and the exciting Coyle stuff' suggests to me and perhaps to others that you favoured one manager and not the other; sometimes referred to as 'pro' and 'anti' if my education isn't letting me down.

[KRBFC]

yet we scored thew same amount of goals as the Coyle team did and might I add loads of them were stunning. The first half at Brentford for an example was better than anything I can remember seeing from a Coyle team imho (all about opinions obviously)

and you're entitled to your opinion, you must have missed Coyle's 5-0 destruction of Nottingham Forest.

[KRBFC]

your quote higher up the page

' the correlation( do you mean comparison?) between the boring Dyche football and the exciting Coyle stuff' suggests to me and perhaps to others that you favoured one manager and not the other; sometimes referred to as 'pro' and 'anti' if my education isn't letting me down.

Your education is absolutely letting you down, since when has having a favourite meant you're anti everything else?

[KRBFC]

pro/anti suggests it's one or the other, why can't I admire both for different reasons/achievements?

[Sproggy]

You can't continually treat cup games with disdain and still expect people to turn up to watch them.

[alf_resco]

It's not rocket science.
Most normal folk (excluding those who'd miss their daughter's wedding to watch the reserves play at Scunthorpe) will turn up to watch decent, attractive and sometimes/mostly winning football.
Too much crap, dismal, unadventurous, losing football and they'll find better things to do on match day.
Last season and this, folk have voted with their feet.
It's not hard to work out why.

[Woodleyclaret]

2-1 in their cup final
Huddersfield were always more committed to winning the tie using 5 subs to change the game and the biggest game for their fans in a while against a bigger Premier league team

[Silkyskills1]

It's not rocket science.
Most normal folk (excluding those who'd miss their daughter's wedding to watch the reserves play at Scunthorpe) will turn up to watch decent, attractive and sometimes/mostly winning football.
Too much crap, dismal, unadventurous, losing football and they'll find better things to do on match day.
Last season and this, folk have voted with their feet.
It's not hard to work out why.

I went to watch the reserves on the evening of my 40 th birthday when a few people hoped we might go out to celebrate the birthday . But I fully accept and take on board exactly what you are saying..

[JohnDearyMe]

Agree we were a pretty bad watch a lot of the time, but results were more than good enough to put up with it, particularly the defensive solidarity.

I recall the 1-0 Arfield win at Ewood where we were utter rubbish and they missed a hatful.

That win at Ewood wasn't a classic but i can't recall their hatful of missed chances.

Are you possibly confusing it with the chances they missed in the 2-1 (Shackell, Ings) win?