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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by tiger76 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:20 pm

Bump. Woody hardly set the heather alight today did he. Eddie might be wondering what he's splashed out £20m for.

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by taio » Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:27 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:20 pm
Bump. Woody hardly set the heather alight today did he. Eddie might be wondering what he's splashed out £20m for.
Doubt Howe will be thinking that after just one game. The fee is pocket money in the grand scheme of things for them and what they paid and Wood himself will almost be irrelevant next season if they stay up.

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:28 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:20 pm
Bump. Woody hardly set the heather alight today did he. Eddie might be wondering what he's splashed out £20m for.
I wouldn’t read too much into 1 game, EH was impressed with him first half, today could have gone 2 ways for us had he scored but he didn’t & another day he will.

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by KRBFC » Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:38 pm

If we don't reinvest that money and sign crap like Andy Carroll we may aswell just pack up and go home

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by Backofthenet » Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:46 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:38 pm
If we don't reinvest that money and sign crap like Andy Carroll we may aswell just pack up and go home
Very easy to say, but in case you haven't noticed we're bottom of the league.
So to stop us packing up and going home, name a centre forward, better than Carroll, who we could realistically sign, and would be willing to come to a side at the bottom of the league.
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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by bobinho » Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:46 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:28 pm
I wouldn’t read too much into 1 game, EH was impressed with him first half, today could have gone 2 ways for us had he scored but he didn’t & another day he will.
It’s more likely he won’t tho…. ;)

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by Spijed » Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:47 pm

Newcastle always looked like they were trying to force the issue with crosses into the box. At our best under SD it's clear we try and work a proper opening so when Lowton or McNeil crossed it towards Wood he was in a better position to score.

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by bobinho » Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:51 pm

Backofthenet wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:46 pm
Very easy to say, but in case you haven't noticed we're bottom of the league.
So to stop us packing up and going home, name a centre forward, better than Carroll, who we could realistically sign, and would be willing to come to a side at the bottom of the league.
I know the question want for me, but if I may?

I think we will struggle to get any better than Carroll in right now. I also think if we end up with Carroll, he will be to us what Wood will be to the geordies. A stopgap, and nothing more.

Finally, if we had just spent £20/25m on Chris Wood as a player to help us stay up, I’d be absolutely fuming.

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by Dark Cloud » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:00 pm

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Not really a Dyche formation though, is it?? Think about it!

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:01 pm

bobinho wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:51 pm
I think we will struggle to get any better than Carroll in right now.
My Granny is better than Andy Carroll :shock:
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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by KRBFC » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:04 pm

Backofthenet wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:46 pm
Very easy to say, but in case you haven't noticed we're bottom of the league.
So to stop us packing up and going home, name a centre forward, better than Carroll, who we could realistically sign, and would be willing to come to a side at the bottom of the league.
Incase you haven't noticed, we've played considerably less games than the rest, we're well in with a shot of staying up.

Andy Carroll is absolutely pony, he's scored like 1 goal PL goal in 3 years. Sam Vokes is a better player than Carroll and I wouldn't want Vokes back either. Kiefer Moore/Lyndon Dykes are both better than Carroll and I don't want either of them.

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by KRBFC » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:06 pm

We need to improve with the incoming money not end the window worse than what we started.
Why do we need more squad filling stop gap players who aren't good enough? we have a ton of those already
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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by Backofthenet » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:06 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:04 pm
Incase you haven't noticed, we've played considerably less games than the rest, we're well in with a shot of staying up.

Andy Carroll is absolutely pony, he's scored like 1 goal PL goal in 3 years. Sam Vokes is a better player than Carroll and I wouldn't want Vokes back either. Kiefer Moore/Lyndon Dykes are both better than Carroll and I don't want either of them.
So you still cannot name someone

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by RVclaret » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:08 pm

Backofthenet wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:06 pm
So you still cannot name someone
He named quite a few on the transfer thread to be fair. Aside, it’s literally the recruitment teams full time jobs to find someone. I find it hard to believe there isn’t one striker in Europe we couldn’t bring in with the new funds we have rather than Andy Carroll.
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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by KRBFC » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:10 pm

Backofthenet wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:06 pm
So you still cannot name someone
I just named 3 strikers better than Carroll who would jump at the chance to come here.

It's almost like you have been asleep for years, why do you think we're so awful right now? buying old shite squad fillers and under investment, Carroll is an old shite squad filler and a sign of under investment
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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:10 pm

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Backofthenet wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:06 pm
So you still cannot name someone
I think anyone that watches football could suggest 10 strikers of the top of there head.

Carroll is not the answer, he’s a stop gap. I would take him if it means we sign a CM and RM. It’s now looking unlikely we get either so why bother Carroll.

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by KRBFC » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:17 pm

Cole Stockton, Ross Stewart, Scott Twine are 3 from League One who are better than Carroll.

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by tiger76 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:18 pm

RalphCoatesComb wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:01 pm
My Granny is better than Andy Carroll :shock:
Aye! but what wage demands would your granny have. :)

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:29 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:18 pm
Aye! but what wage demands would your granny have. :)
:lol: She'd be OK with a bunch of flowers, she's been in the ground these last 35 years :o
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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by tiger76 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:31 pm

RalphCoatesComb wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:29 pm
:lol: She'd be OK with a bunch of flowers, she's been in the ground these last 35 years :o
She'd still be more mobile than our forwards. :lol:

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:36 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:31 pm
She'd still be more mobile than our forwards. :lol:
Exactly my point with Carroll. And she was only sent off once - that was against Castleford for stamping on their tight head prop :lol:
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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by bfcmik » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:37 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:10 pm
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.... if it means we sign a CM and RM. It’s now looking unlikely we get either so why bother Carroll.
Why does it look unlikely we get either midfielder in? There a 2 weeks to go in the window, we are notoriously a club that does deals very late in the month and we are also notoriously silent about what we are trying to do about signing players. Plenty of time for the next Maxwell Cornet to arrive.

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:39 pm

bfcmik wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:37 pm
Why does it look unlikely we get either midfielder in? There a 2 weeks to go in the window, we are notoriously a club that does deals very late in the month and we are also notoriously silent about what we are trying to do about signing players. Plenty of time for the next Maxwell Cornet to arrive.
Anyone remotely decent would be widely reported. Apart from some random French journalist suggesting a bid for Fofana there is very little out there to suggest we are going to make one signing let alone two.

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by Burnley Ace » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:39 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:17 pm
Cole Stockton, Ross Stewart, Scott Twine are 3 from League One who are better than Carroll.
Your assumption is based on what, you extensive knowledge of Div 1 players?

Twine is a midfielder who could only get a new contract with MK Dons, Stewart didn’t make it with St Mirren and is at Sunderland and Stockton, having failed to make an impression at Hearts has bummed around the lower leagues!! and you expect them to come straight into our first team - hilarious.

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by KRBFC » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:42 pm

Aside from a year spell at Newcastle (like 10 years ago) I've never rated Carroll as an effective threat, no idea what people see in Carroll's career that is an attractive option to us. Crouch for example was at least a real threat in his pomp, proper goalscorer, good international record.

What has Carroll ever done apart from be a big elbowing lump? famous for being a laughable expensive flop at Liverpool.

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by KRBFC » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:43 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:39 pm
Your assumption is based on what, you extensive knowledge of Div 1 players?

Twine is a midfielder who could only get a new contract with MK Dons, Stewart didn’t make it with St Mirren and is at Sunderland and Stockton, having failed to make an impression at Hearts has bummed around the lower leagues!! and you expect them to come straight into our first team - hilarious.
I said they were better players than Carroll, which isn't hard to achieve. Never said I wanted us to sign any of them, same with Dykes and Moore.

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by claretandbluesky » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:43 pm

Mini rebuild ?.. So far we’ve only lost a player.
Get used to thinking of Helm Mancini and Richardson as the next crop. We are going to have to start relying on young talent coming through.

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by Silkyskills1 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:44 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:17 pm
Cole Stockton, Ross Stewart, Scott Twine are 3 from League One who are better than Carroll.
I've watched Ross Stewart this afternoon and he's one you could take off your list. That would be going backwards.

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by KRBFC » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:45 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:44 pm
I've watched Ross Stewart this afternoon and he's one you could take off your list. That would be going backwards.
I saw Stewart score a hattrick last week, he definitely isn't the answer and not someone I'd want us to sign. He's a better player than Carroll though

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by tiger76 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:49 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:42 pm
Aside from a year spell at Newcastle (like 10 years ago) I've never rated Carroll as an effective threat, no idea what people see in Carroll's career that is an attractive option to us. Crouch for example was at least a real threat in his pomp, proper goalscorer, good international record.

What has Carroll ever done apart from be a big elbowing lump? famous for being a laughable expensive flop at Liverpool.
If we sign Carroll where's the progress given our 6 years in the PL, we'd be better giving one of the youngsters a shot, than wasting money on Carroll.

And you're right regarding his numbers. he's only once bagged double figures in the top flight, and that was way back in 10/11 campaign.

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by KRBFC » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:50 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:49 pm
If we sign Carroll where's the progress given our 6 years in the PL, we'd be better giving one of the youngsters a shot, than wasting money on Carroll.

And you're right regarding his numbers. he's only once bagged double figures in the top flight, and that was way back in 10/11 campaign.
Never been a good player unlike Crouch/Defoe.

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by Silkyskills1 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:57 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:45 pm
I saw Stewart score a hattrick last week, he definitely isn't the answer and not someone I'd want us to sign. He's a better player than Carroll though
Interestingly, the Accrington Centre forward, Bishop, I think, had an excellent game playing up front on his own. Perhaps it was just a one off but he was strong and mobile and made their back line defend.

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by tiger76 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:27 pm

claretandbluesky wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:43 pm
Mini rebuild ?.. So far we’ve only lost a player.
Get used to thinking of Helm Mancini and Richardson as the next crop. We are going to have to start relying on young talent coming through.
Dyche won't play them though, even last week when we were down to the bare bones, and in a cup tie they never got a look in, Dodgson got about 10 minutes at the end.

And are they good enough, I don't know enough about our youngsters to voice an opinion either way, but most on here seem to think they wouldn't be up to the task.

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by elwaclaret » Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:36 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:27 pm
Dyche won't play them though, even last week when we were down to the bare bones, and in a cup tie they never got a look in, Dodgson got about 10 minutes at the end.

And are they good enough, I don't know enough about our youngsters to voice an opinion either way, but most on here seem to think they wouldn't be up to the task.
Dyche is managing them. They may be physically ready, and look the part on the pitch, but Dyche will want to know they are mentally strong enough to step up. Alex Ferguson is the first to admit it was a mistake he made with his first fledglings… most ended up fizzling their talent to nothing, ever after he made sure EVERYTHING was right. I’m proud it is also Burnley’s attitude to youth.

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by Shaggy » Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:58 pm

elwaclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:36 pm
Dyche is managing them. They may be physically ready, and look the part on the pitch, but Dyche will want to know they are mentally strong enough to step up. Alex Ferguson is the first to admit it was a mistake he made with his first fledglings… most ended up fizzling their talent to nothing, ever after he made sure EVERYTHING was right. I’m proud it is also Burnley’s attitude to youth.
It seems we will never have anyone ready then until they hit the big 30.

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by bf2k » Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:22 pm

Backofthenet wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:46 pm
Very easy to say, but in case you haven't noticed we're bottom of the league.
So to stop us packing up and going home, name a centre forward, better than Carroll, who we could realistically sign, and would be willing to come to a side at the bottom of the league.
Me and I’m 38, 19st and I can get to the 5th round on a bleep test.

I ask seriousness Carroll isn’t the answer on his own. He didn’t start enough or score enough.

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by Backofthenet » Sun Jan 16, 2022 5:58 am

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:17 pm
Cole Stockton, Ross Stewart, Scott Twine are 3 from League One who are better than Carroll.
League 1.....good grief

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by Backofthenet » Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:02 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:10 pm
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I think anyone that watches football could suggest 10 strikers of the top of there head.

Carroll is not the answer, he’s a stop gap. I would take him if it means we sign a CM and RM. It’s now looking unlikely we get either so why bother Carroll.
A stop gap is all iam suggesting.... To play straight away, then an option off the bench. 10 mins to go, needing a goal... Carroll or Kevin Long?

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by claretandy » Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:01 am

Thank god for the release clause, cause Dyche would have never sold him.
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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by claretandbluesky » Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:12 am

Wood required service he wasn’t getting any.
What has happened to Barnes? Is he still on the property?

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by Petersa » Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:44 am

RalphCoatesComb wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:36 pm
Exactly my point with Carroll. And she was only sent off once - that was against Castleford for stamping on their tight head prop :lol:
Dont think they have tight head props in Rugby League do they?

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by Blyclaret » Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:06 am

If Wood stayed in his current form we would be relegated. No question about that.
So im thrilled with 25 m.
It gives us a chance.
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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by claretandbluesky » Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:09 am

The problem we now face is a side with no strikers. Somehow we have to get more goals from midfield that means Brownhill and McNeil.

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:14 am

Petersa wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:44 am
Dont think they have tight head props in Rugby League do they?
I didn't say it was League ;)

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:19 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:10 pm
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I think anyone that watches football could suggest 10 strikers of the top of there head.

Carroll is not the answer, he’s a stop gap. I would take him if it means we sign a CM and RM. It’s now looking unlikely we get either so why bother Carroll.
It’s easy to suggest players you could probably suggest hundreds in all different positions that could fit in in some form & improve the team, it boils down to whether you want to put your hand in your pocket & spend money or just let the club slide.

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by yosserhughes » Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:20 am

If Andy Carroll is a player we are looking at I'd rather keep it as it is, start to build for next season which ever division we are in.
Saying that we have two weeks to go in the transfer period so something might change.

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by Petersa » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:45 pm

RalphCoatesComb wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:14 am
I didn't say it was League ;)
But do they play Rugby Union in Castleford? :D

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by NewClaret » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:50 pm

Blyclaret wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:06 am
If Wood stayed in his current form we would be relegated. No question about that.
So im thrilled with 25 m.
It gives us a chance.
Agreed.

And IF he hits form, it’s no guarantee he’d have found said form for us. He was in his comfort zone here, after all.

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:04 pm

Petersa wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:45 pm
But do they play Rugby Union in Castleford? :D
Of course they do.

Yarksher lass through and through she was :lol:

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Re: What a masterstroke

Post by KRBFC » Sun Jan 16, 2022 4:50 pm

Backofthenet wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:02 am
A stop gap is all iam suggesting.... To play straight away, then an option off the bench. 10 mins to go, needing a goal... Carroll or Kevin Long?
So who is the main striker replacing Wood? where are the goals coming from?

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