Why are so many writing our season off
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Why are so many writing our season off
It seems many have already resigned themselves to the drop, despite us being a mere 2 points adrift of Watford, with a game in hand, and still to play them twice, and we also have 2/3 games in hand on Newcastle & Norwich.
Yes we've not been great it's fair to say, and the timing of Chris Wood's departure is far from ideal, but if those funds allow us to get a couple of deals over the line in the next week or two, and we can also pick up points in the 2 upcoming home fixtures with Leicester, and then crucially Watford, and for all the doom and gloom we haven't lost a PL game at TM since September when Arsenal came calling, 4 unbeaten, plus with Cornet back soon, and having already faced a lot of our most difficult games, there's every chance of us amassing the required number of points to survive, essentially we simply have to win our 4 team mini-league involving us, Newcastle, Norwich & Watford to stay up, and none of those 3 sides are exactly blazing a trail this season either.
So although it won't be easy we certainly shouldn't be waving the white flags just yet at the halfway stage of the season as many sadly appear to have done.
Yes we've not been great it's fair to say, and the timing of Chris Wood's departure is far from ideal, but if those funds allow us to get a couple of deals over the line in the next week or two, and we can also pick up points in the 2 upcoming home fixtures with Leicester, and then crucially Watford, and for all the doom and gloom we haven't lost a PL game at TM since September when Arsenal came calling, 4 unbeaten, plus with Cornet back soon, and having already faced a lot of our most difficult games, there's every chance of us amassing the required number of points to survive, essentially we simply have to win our 4 team mini-league involving us, Newcastle, Norwich & Watford to stay up, and none of those 3 sides are exactly blazing a trail this season either.
So although it won't be easy we certainly shouldn't be waving the white flags just yet at the halfway stage of the season as many sadly appear to have done.
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Re: Why are so many writing our season off
Because they’ve been watching the games and have noticed our points haul in 2021. We will need some wins. Not sure where one win comes from at the moment.
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Too right and I'm with youtiger76 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:29 pmIt seems many have already resigned themselves to the drop, despite us being a mere 2 points adrift of Watford, with a game in hand, and still to play them twice, and we also have 2/3 games in hand on Newcastle & Norwich.
Yes we've not been great it's fair to say, and the timing of Chris Wood's departure is far from ideal, but if those funds allow us to get a couple of deals over the line in the next week or two, and we can also pick up points in the 2 upcoming home fixtures with Leicester, and then crucially Watford, and for all the doom and gloom we haven't lost a PL game at TM since September when Arsenal came calling, 4 unbeaten, plus with Cornet back soon, and having already faced a lot of our most difficult games, there's every chance of us amassing the required number of points to survive, essentially we simply have to win our 4 team mini-league involving us, Newcastle, Norwich & Watford to stay up, and none of those 3 sides are exactly blazing a trail this season either.
So although it won't be easy we certainly shouldn't be waving the white flags just yet at the halfway stage of the season as many sadly appear to have done.
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Re: Why are so many writing our season off
The board & management seem to have, is it really any wonder it’s rubbing off onto the fans.
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Re: Why are so many writing our season off
If we win our next two games and bring in a couple of players to go straight into the starting eleven we have a chance.
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Re: Why are so many writing our season off
Exactly what the OP says!
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Re: Why are so many writing our season off
We've won one game this season. 17 games 1 win. 21 games left. It's all but over.
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Re: Why are so many writing our season off
I wish you'd make your mind up
tiger76 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:48 pmWhere are the 7/8 wins we need going to come exactly?
We've played most of the bottom half sides now, and have a paltry 1 win to our name. 21 games to play including many against the big 6, plus Leicester, Villa & West Ham, so what gives you the belief that we can amass a good haul of points out of those games, because even with the most optimistic outlook, I struggle to see where the required points are coming from.
If you'd have asked me a month ago whether we'd stay up or not, I'd have been cautiously optimistic, but the damaging defeats at Leeds and Newcastle have given us an almighty mountain to climb in the remainder of the campaign.
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Re: Why are so many writing our season off
Eh? This sounds like nonsense.
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Can we do it….? Of course we can.
Will we do it….? Doubtful.
Leeds was a real hammer blow.
Will we do it….? Doubtful.
Leeds was a real hammer blow.
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Have you not done exactly this in recent days?tiger76 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:29 pmIt seems many have already resigned themselves to the drop, despite us being a mere 2 points adrift of Watford, with a game in hand, and still to play them twice, and we also have 2/3 games in hand on Newcastle & Norwich.
Yes we've not been great it's fair to say, and the timing of Chris Wood's departure is far from ideal, but if those funds allow us to get a couple of deals over the line in the next week or two, and we can also pick up points in the 2 upcoming home fixtures with Leicester, and then crucially Watford, and for all the doom and gloom we haven't lost a PL game at TM since September when Arsenal came calling, 4 unbeaten, plus with Cornet back soon, and having already faced a lot of our most difficult games, there's every chance of us amassing the required number of points to survive, essentially we simply have to win our 4 team mini-league involving us, Newcastle, Norwich & Watford to stay up, and none of those 3 sides are exactly blazing a trail this season either.
So although it won't be easy we certainly shouldn't be waving the white flags just yet at the halfway stage of the season as many sadly appear to have done.
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That's true but the same could equally be said of the 3 others stranded at the foot alongside us, and that's what still gives us a fighting chance, and by next Tuesday we could be out of the bottom 3 for the first time this season, yes we've got a battle, but arguably we were in worse trouble in the 18/19 season when we had a mere 12 points from 19 games, and we stayed up fairly comfortably in the end, a big few days in our season coming up, but 2 wins, or even a win and a draw, especially if the win is against Watford, and the table could look rather different.
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Re: Why are so many writing our season off
ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:40 pmWe've won one game this season. 17 games 1 win. 21 games left. It's all but over.
If you give in it definitely is, if you don't it might not be....history doesn't always write the future
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Re: Why are so many writing our season off
It ain't over till its over ... get behind Sean and the lads on Saturday ...
Come on you Clarets
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Re: Why are so many writing our season off
No! like many others I was cheesed off after the Leeds defeat, but having had time to reflect, and actually look at the table, and more importantly the amount of games we've got against sides in the lower half of the league, I can see that 6/7 wins is definitely possible, and dependent on the form of the other 3 we might not even need that many, it is key that we beat those around us though, but that's generally the case in any given season.
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If you’re referring to the Wood situation then I guess we need to see what transpires over the next 3 weeks, but it’s a leap to say at this point that the management have all but given up. In fact I’d go as far as to say it’s without foundation.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:46 pmRecent events appear otherwise, nobody seems to give a sh1t.
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tiger76 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:49 pmNo! like many others I was cheesed off after the Leeds defeat, but having had time to reflect, and actually look at the table, and more importantly the amount of games we've got against sides in the lower half of the league, I can see that 6/7 wins is definitely possible, and dependent on the form of the other 3 we might not even need that many, it is key that we beat those around us though, but that's generally the case in any given season.
tiger76 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:48 pmWhere are the 7/8 wins we need going to come exactly?
We've played most of the bottom half sides now, and have a paltry 1 win to our name. 21 games to play including many against the big 6, plus Leicester, Villa & West Ham, so what gives you the belief that we can amass a good haul of points out of those games, because even with the most optimistic outlook, I struggle to see where the required points are coming from.
If you'd have asked me a month ago whether we'd stay up or not, I'd have been cautiously optimistic, but the damaging defeats at Leeds and Newcastle have given us an almighty mountain to climb in the remainder of the campaign.
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2nd string championship side putting us to the sword before that, where we are in the league, the form guide having us bottom of entire football leagues, I could go on, yes no foundation, I’ve give my opinion you don’t agree fair enough.
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Maybe I like playing devil's advocate sometimes, and I'm not saying we will stay up, but thanks to the bottom 4 being equally hopeless we've still got a chance, hence why I'm at people simply chucking the towel in.
Big challenge for SD to remotivate the lads in the wake of Wood leaving, but if anyone can he can, and just maybe this departure will spur the boys on as Burnley often produce our best displays when our backs are to the wall.
Needless to state we will need a couple of incomings in this window, but a CM and a striker if they're top quality, and go straight into the 1st XI could be the difference, so down to Dyche and Pace to work the oracle and make that happen.
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Only a few days ago you were saying we wouldn't stay up and it was time for Dyche to go, which was a few days after you were saying the opposite.tiger76 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:02 pmMaybe I like playing devil's advocate sometimes, and I'm not saying we will stay up, but thanks to the bottom 4 being equally hopeless we've still got a chance, hence why I'm at people simply chucking the towel in.
Big challenge for SD to remotivate the lads in the wake of Wood leaving, but if anyone can he can, and just maybe this departure will spur the boys on as Burnley often produce our best displays when our backs are to the wall.
Needless to state we will need a couple of incomings in this window, but a CM and a striker if they're top quality, and go straight into the 1st XI could be the difference, so down to Dyche and Pace to work the oracle and make that happen.
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I'm sure we've all said things at times and will do in the future where we reflect... I change my mind about stuff all the time, a bit of positivity at the moment isn't a bad thing
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Three signings that go straight in to the starting eleven, we should stand a decent chance. Anything less and I think it’s going to be very difficult. As you suggest we will need around 7 wins to stay up in 19 games. We managed that across our last 34.
If we stay up from this point it will be a miraculous turn in form.
If we stay up from this point it will be a miraculous turn in form.
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I noticed that as well after Leeds I think he wasn’t the only person in a rage though which since as subsided into kitten like behaviour, extreme opinions on here seem to swing as often as you change your socks.
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Re: Why are so many writing our season off
Norwich, Newcastle, Leeds.
We're in trouble.
We're in trouble.
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No worries.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:54 pm2nd string championship side putting us to the sword before that, where we are in the league, the form guide having us bottom of entire football leagues, I could go on, yes no foundation, I’ve give my opinion you don’t agree fair enough.
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I agree. But I don't think it's fair that the OP accuses others of waving the white flag when he was saying recently we were down and Dyche should go. Nothing wrong saying things through frustration, but then don't start a thread highlighting just a few days later that others have thrown the towel because it's a bit hypocritical.Cubanforever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:12 pmI'm sure we've all said things at times and will do in the future where we reflect... I change my mind about stuff all the time, a bit of positivity at the moment isn't a bad thing
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Leicester 2014/15 season lads ... Keep the faith
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None of us us are perfect...me more than many and I'm sure he or she is aware...which makes it all the braver to post in my eyes but I understand where you're (I've learnt Milltown) coming fromtaio wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:18 pmI agree. But I don't think it's fair that the OP accuses others of waving the white flag when he was saying recently we were down and Dyche should go. Nothing wrong saying things through frustration, but then don't start a thread highlighting just a few days later that others have thrown the towel because it's a bit hypocritical.
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Re: Why are so many writing our season off
We might not stay up, I'd say the odds are against right now, but things can quickly change in this league, and I've never called for Dyche to go, what I said was I'd give him a spell in the Championship should we drop to prove he can once again mount a promotion challenge, that doesn't mean I don't have doubts about him, and no manager should be without question, especially after such a poor run over the past year.
But to change a manager who's proven he can get us promoted, and keep us up for several seasons would be a big call, not least when he's just been granted a new 4 year contract. Hence my reluctance to dispense with him at this time, but if we do suffer relegation, and aren't looking like making an instant return to the top flight, that's when it might be time for a change.
What I'd like to see whichever division we're competing in next season is a change of emphasis towards lowering the average age of the squad, and getting some of the higher earners off the wage bill, as it's hard for a lot of them to justify their large pay packets recently.
And this is where SD may have to change his mindset of experienced pros in the camp. to younger guys who in time we may well be looking to sell on for good profits, and that's where I have question marks about his management style, can he evolve to fit in with what appears to be a new ethos at the club.
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tiger76 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:23 pmWe might not stay up, I'd say the odds are against right now, but things can quickly change in this league, and I've never called for Dyche to go, what I said was I'd give him a spell in the Championship should we drop to prove he can once again mount a promotion challenge, that doesn't mean I don't have doubts about him, and no manager should be without question, especially after such a poor run over the past year.
But to change a manager who's proven he can get us promoted, and keep us up for several seasons would be a big call, not least when he's just been granted a new 4 year contract. Hence my reluctance to dispense with him at this time, but if we do suffer relegation, and aren't looking like making an instant return to the top flight, that's when it might be time for a change.
What I'd like to see whichever division we're competing in next season is a change of emphasis towards lowering the average age of the squad, and getting some of the higher earners off the wage bill, as it's hard for a lot of them to justify their large pay packets recently.
And this is where SD may have to change his mindset of experienced pros in the camp. to younger guys who in time we may well be looking to sell on for good profits, and that's where I have question marks about his management style, can he evolve to fit in with what appears to be a new ethos at the club.
tiger76 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:09 pmI'm afraid great as Sean has been, now is the time for him to go with his head held high, today was a watershed moment for me, as I genuinely thought we could get a result at Leeds, especially given the players they had out, yet we once again surrendered meekly, after Cornet hauled us back into the game with a stunner.
Where's the fight and desire gone, it's one thing losing games in this league, it's quite another to be rolling over against our fellow relegation rivals.
And today was an exact repeat of Newcastle, where we allowed a poor team a gift, and then couldn't get back into the match.
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Fair enough but that was said in the heat of the moment following a dire display, and that's the worst we've ever played under Sean in a key game I'm sure you'll agree.
And even if we did get a new manager in they'd still have the same players to work with, so on balance we're as well sticking with SD for the time being.
And the situation has changed somewhat with the Wood transfer giving us an unexpected windfall to perhaps finally strengthen our CM.
So it's now up to Dyche, Pace and the players to prove their doubters wrong, they've done this before, so it would be folly to write them off, but what they really need to show is desire, that's what was badly lacking at Leeds for whatever reason, and in a crunch game that's simply not acceptable in my view.
We've had those moments before Hull on Boxing Day, and Everton again on Boxing Day, and both times they've responded in adversity, so over to them to make me and many others eat our harsh words.
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To put it in simple terms…… they have probably attended most or all of our matches this season like I have and realised that we are bloody awful.
In previous seasons we have struggled, however many of us felt that we would survive and we rallied and did indeed survive. This season feels distinctly different.
In previous seasons we have struggled, however many of us felt that we would survive and we rallied and did indeed survive. This season feels distinctly different.
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We are playing like a team with no fight so it’s no surprise as we go into the second half of the season in a relegation spot that people are feeling like they are.
Dyche is a good manager and his record indicates he will not allow things to continue as they are.
Dyche is a good manager and his record indicates he will not allow things to continue as they are.
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At this stage just enjoy it for what it is. If we go down we go down but hopefully we‘ll get the battling strong jaw Burnley back moving forward. Wood’s departure will make or break us, let’s hope it’s the making of us.
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Something needed to change, and just maybe Wood going for a big fee will be the catalyst for us to shake up the squad, because as it stood we weren't looking in a great place, but a new arrival or two, particularly if they have the impact Cornet has had and who knows.Milltown1882 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:51 pmAt this stage just enjoy it for what it is. If we go down we go down but hopefully we‘ll get the battling strong jaw Burnley back moving forward. Wood’s departure will make or break us, let’s hope it’s the making of us.
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At last some sense. I’ve been saying this for ages. 2 points away with games in hand and, crucially, if it’s close we have a massively better goal difference than those around us. And who, with less than half the season gone, says it is only down to four teams. Some on here need to stop throwing their dummies out and take a drink from a glass half full.tiger76 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:29 pmIt seems many have already resigned themselves to the drop, despite us being a mere 2 points adrift of Watford, with a game in hand, and still to play them twice, and we also have 2/3 games in hand on Newcastle & Norwich.
Yes we've not been great it's fair to say, and the timing of Chris Wood's departure is far from ideal, but if those funds allow us to get a couple of deals over the line in the next week or two, and we can also pick up points in the 2 upcoming home fixtures with Leicester, and then crucially Watford, and for all the doom and gloom we haven't lost a PL game at TM since September when Arsenal came calling, 4 unbeaten, plus with Cornet back soon, and having already faced a lot of our most difficult games, there's every chance of us amassing the required number of points to survive, essentially we simply have to win our 4 team mini-league involving us, Newcastle, Norwich & Watford to stay up, and none of those 3 sides are exactly blazing a trail this season either.
So although it won't be easy we certainly shouldn't be waving the white flags just yet at the halfway stage of the season as many sadly appear to have done.
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Re: Why are so many writing our season off
This is why I’ve had a break from the site. There’s been enough depression over the COVID period without listening to the harbingers of doom on here. We are a long way from finished but some are already planning trips to Blackpool and Reading. And one or two jokers keep pointing out our past record over the last year. Here’s some news boys, nothing is permanent and things change.
Keep the Claret flag flying.
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The next two weeks, on and off the pitch will have a massive say in what will happen at end of season.
Come 1st of February I think it’ll be clear as to what will happen.
Massive few weeks ahead.
Come 1st of February I think it’ll be clear as to what will happen.
Massive few weeks ahead.
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You can only hide away from reality for so long.houseboy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:21 pmThis is why I’ve had a break from the site. There’s been enough depression over the COVID period without listening to the harbingers of doom on here. We are a long way from finished but some are already planning trips to Blackpool and Reading. And one or two jokers keep pointing out our past record over the last year. Here’s some news boys, nothing is permanent and things change.
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Re: Why are so many writing our season off
True. And reality is we could be out of the bottom three next week. The reality is we are far from finished. Do you honestly believe Watford fans aren’t worried? Or Newcastle? Reality is a very odd thing and depends a lot on how you view it bud.
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"Why are so many writing our season off?"
Errmm, the evidence is before us for all to see and for the first time in 6 yrs, there aren't 3 worse teams than us.
Errmm, the evidence is before us for all to see and for the first time in 6 yrs, there aren't 3 worse teams than us.
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I'd agree with the last post, the first target is for us to win our next two home games to have any chance of staying up. We need some momentum to take us into a difficult run of fixtures in the following four games. Belief is so important in this league that we can win games again, when was the last time we won two consecutive games?
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We could you are right but looking at what’s happened previously & what’s happening now looking positively to what could happen in the future is a stretch, you aren’t doing anybody any harm believing in what you believe, eventually reality will confront you & you won’t have a choice in that, you take comfort now from delaying the acceptance.
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The last time we won two consecutive Premier League games was in January 2021, Liverpool away and Villa at home. Seems a long time ago now....
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Re: Why are so many writing our season off
That is a slightly condescending post if I might say. What’s happened previously is irrelevant and previous to our two defeats recently, if you wish to live in the recent past, we had lost 1 game in about 10. Now as for reality ‘confronting’ me the fact is neither you nor I nor anyone on earth knows what the future holds. We cannot know that, no one can, so how do you know reality won’t, as it were, confront you? We win the game in hand, we are out of the bottom three, it is that simple, which leads me to assume that you believe, based on the past, that we are not going to win that game despite the fact that it is against a team who are no better than we are and possibly worse given their points per game and their woeful goal difference.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:43 pmWe could you are right but looking at what’s happened previously & what’s happening now looking positively to what could happen in the future is a stretch, you aren’t doing anybody any harm believing in what you believe, eventually reality will confront you & you won’t have a choice in that, you take comfort now from delaying the acceptance.
I’m not predicting anything either way, simply pointing out that relegation, with less than half the season gone, is nowhere near a certainty as some seem to think. The thing about reality, as everyone should know, is that there is no such thing as permanence, everything is in a constant state of flux and that includes the fortunes of Burnley FC.
Incidentally if you are looking to the past to try to predict the future remember we have been here before and survived quite comfortably.
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Re: Why are so many writing our season off
Ain’t happening come back at the end of season & tell me I’m wrong, you don’t sell your best striker granted he’s off form & expect to stop up, FFS a second string championship side as put us to the sword we got the worse form out of 92 clubs yes 92, the things rotting away if history “what happened previously is irrelevant” does that mean the dropped points this season we’ll suddenly get back to help the cause, history is relevant it’s shaped to where we are now. Like I say tell me I’m wrong at the end of season please do.houseboy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:37 pmThat is a slightly condescending post if I might say. What’s happened previously is irrelevant and previous to our two defeats recently, if you wish to live in the recent past, we had lost 1 game in about 10. Now as for reality ‘confronting’ me the fact is neither you nor I nor anyone on earth knows what the future holds. We cannot know that, no one can, so how do you know reality won’t, as it were, confront you? We win the game in hand, we are out of the bottom three, it is that simple, which leads me to assume that you believe, based on the past, that we are not going to win that game despite the fact that it is against a team who are no better than we are and possibly worse given their points per game and their woeful goal difference.
I’m not predicting anything either way, simply pointing out that relegation, with less than half the season gone, is nowhere near a certainty as some seem to think. The thing about reality, as everyone should know, is that there is no such thing as permanence, everything is in a constant state of flux and that includes the fortunes of Burnley FC.
Incidentally if you are looking to the past to try to predict the future remember we have been here before and survived quite comfortably.
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Re: Why are so many writing our season off
Not over til the fat lady sings.
Previous records mean nothing.
What counts is the points at the end of the season (and then goal difference).
Most other fans still think we'll survive.
We have the experience, and knowledge both with our manager and players.
I'm not writing us off yet.
Previous records mean nothing.
What counts is the points at the end of the season (and then goal difference).
Most other fans still think we'll survive.
We have the experience, and knowledge both with our manager and players.
I'm not writing us off yet.
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