Danny Welbeck
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Danny Welbeck
He has been quite an inspired signing on a free transfer. He signed initially on a one year contract but has already scored 8 PL goals for Brighton prior to tonight which surprised me. He who dares wins
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Re: Danny Welbeck
If only we had the money.
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Re: Danny Welbeck
We do at the moment and we had £50m in the bank before the take over-and he was FREE. I think whats more useful than money is VISION at times
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Re: Danny Welbeck
We had 50 million, it's gone. We have nothing. Just whatever the personal wealth of our owners are.warksclaret wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:00 pmWe do at the moment and we had £50m in the bank before the take over-and he was FREE. I think whats more useful than money is VISION at times
Oh, and a lot of debt.
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Re: Danny Welbeck
You explain our predicament so well C&J....we all knew it would go tits up big style didn't we?ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:02 pmWe had 50 million, it's gone. We have nothing. Just whatever the personal wealth of our owners are.
Oh, and a lot of debt.
Re: Danny Welbeck
Not good enough for Burnley according to the experts on here
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Re: Danny Welbeck
FREE? And what sort of money do you think he's got from that deal?
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Re: Danny Welbeck
less than Jay RodriguezClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:29 pmFREE? And what sort of money do you think he's got from that deal?
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Re: Danny Welbeck
It's naive to think there is cheap or free with more high profile footballers, we get less on then most teams therefore less money, it's basic,it's just the way of things.
Re: Danny Welbeck
I remember watching him for Arsenal against us. He was superb.
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Re: Danny Welbeck
We can't afford to carry him on the bench/physio room.
24 appearances last season, played 1548 mins out of 2160, missed 6 games through injury and started 17 of those games.
6 appearances this season, played 295 mins out of 540, been injured for 14 games so far this season.
Makes his 8 goals sound even more impressive really, but he's just going to be another player who we wouldn't get enough game time from.
Brighton don't need to worry about balancing the books, never have since Bloom became owner.
Good player to have drifting in from the flank, but that's what Jay used to be able to do.
24 appearances last season, played 1548 mins out of 2160, missed 6 games through injury and started 17 of those games.
6 appearances this season, played 295 mins out of 540, been injured for 14 games so far this season.
Makes his 8 goals sound even more impressive really, but he's just going to be another player who we wouldn't get enough game time from.
Brighton don't need to worry about balancing the books, never have since Bloom became owner.
Good player to have drifting in from the flank, but that's what Jay used to be able to do.
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Re: Danny Welbeck
The “we’ve got no money” and “we’ve lots of debt” posts are tedious.
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Re: Danny Welbeck
Sturridge anybody?
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Re: Danny Welbeck
The only reason he's not injured is because he isn't playing
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Re: Danny Welbeck
That’s the exact reason there is no money that much debts been loaded onto the club, I don’t think it’s a healthy way of doing a takeover putting the club under immense pressure financially.arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:51 pmThe “we’ve got no money” and “we’ve lots of debt” posts are tedious.
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How much debt has been loaded onto the club?Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:02 pmThat’s the exact reason there is no money that much debts been loaded onto the club, I don’t think it’s a healthy way of doing a takeover putting the club under immense pressure financially.
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Forget this, no reason to think the owners and managers of our club would even consider it. ALK and Alan Pace will
deal with this. I am absolutely they will have prepared for every eventuality.
deal with this. I am absolutely they will have prepared for every eventuality.
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I remember the discussions. They went along the lines of “no thanks we already have JBG and Brady blocking up the treatment room why do we need another crock unless it’s on appearance money”.
Et voila, 18 months later it’s “we missed out what were we doing”
The same people say the same thing now about Ramsey, Wilshire, Barkley, etc and when one of them inevitably strings 2 seasons together injury free and seems like a steal, they will say the same thing again.
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Re: Danny Welbeck
Our answer to Danny Welbeck
ANDY CARROLL
Apparently may be withdrawn from today's game with pending move cited as reason
Exciting times !
ANDY CARROLL
Apparently may be withdrawn from today's game with pending move cited as reason
Exciting times !
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Re: Danny Welbeck
I can never understand this need for am established name, as if they are bringing something extra. Most of them are where they are, because of past failures, and they are all on the download in their careers.
Nearly all our most successful signings, we're either players I'd never heard of, or players that were okish, but we weren't in a queue for their signature.
Pope
Heaton
Tarks
Mee
Trippier
Ings
Austin
Keane
Gray
Cornet
Collins and Roberts should be added to that list, but SD doesn't appear to have any faith in youth. Even Dwight only got on the pitch because injuries forced his hand.
We all appreciate you need experience alongside some youth, but we've ended up with just a team of old men.
Nearly all our most successful signings, we're either players I'd never heard of, or players that were okish, but we weren't in a queue for their signature.
Pope
Heaton
Tarks
Mee
Trippier
Ings
Austin
Keane
Gray
Cornet
Collins and Roberts should be added to that list, but SD doesn't appear to have any faith in youth. Even Dwight only got on the pitch because injuries forced his hand.
We all appreciate you need experience alongside some youth, but we've ended up with just a team of old men.
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Are they factually wrong, though?arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:51 pmThe “we’ve got no money” and “we’ve lots of debt” posts are tedious.
If so, how much money do we have?
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Burnley didn’t have 50m in the bank , it clearly belonged to the shareholderswarksclaret wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:00 pmWe do at the moment and we had £50m in the bank before the take over-and he was FREE. I think whats more useful than money is VISION at times
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There was plenty of strong evidence on the takeover thread that we’ve taken on a lot of debt. It’s owed to someone called Dell I believe who is involved in quite a few clubs.arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:23 amI don’t know. In truth not a single poster on here does.
I’m just sick of people making assumptions and passing them off as fact. It’s dangerous and unfair.
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Correct but that doesn’t mean to say we’ve no money does it?
I have a mortgage, I’ve still got money. It’s a similar principal.
I’ve seen stupid comments about asset stripping, using the Wood money to pay Garlick and other such nonsense.
All of this on the back of the chairman, manager and anyone else interviewed clearly saying we are looking to strengthen.
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Just pointing out that the debt part is very much true.arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:35 amCorrect but that doesn’t mean to say we’ve no money does it?
I have a mortgage, I’ve still got money. It’s a similar principal.
I’ve seen stupid comments about asset stripping, using the Wood money to pay Garlick and other such nonsense.
All of this on the back of the chairman, manager and anyone else interviewed clearly saying we are looking to strengthen.
You’re right in that none of us know how much money we have, but it’s perfectly reasonable to discuss it. I get that there’s too much opinion as fact but that’s always been the case.
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The analogy is helpful because there are broadly comparable risks. If a person's circumstances change, for example they lose their job, and they don't have sufficient income, savings, saleable assets or protection to service their mortgage, there is trouble ahead. The risks are the same if a football club carries substantial debt and creditors that was serviceable but a change in circumstances means that it isn't serviceable in the same way.arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:35 amCorrect but that doesn’t mean to say we’ve no money does it?
I have a mortgage, I’ve still got money. It’s a similar principal.
I’ve seen stupid comments about asset stripping, using the Wood money to pay Garlick and other such nonsense.
All of this on the back of the chairman, manager and anyone else interviewed clearly saying we are looking to strengthen.
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Re: Danny Welbeck
just with the money from home games like the FA cup we had 7500 fans on inc away at £20 a ticket i think thats £150k Necastle had 53000 and at £20 a ticket thats about £1 million we can not pay the wgaes of other clubs. shame but unlaess they cap the limit of suppoorters to 20 .000 and not allowed to charge them more than £40 per ticket we cannot compete on level playing field
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Re: Danny Welbeck
Yes but in those circumstances you make changes and cut your cloth accordingly.taio wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:01 amThe analogy is helpful because there are broadly comparable risks. If a person's circumstances change, for example they lose their job, and they don't have sufficient income, savings, saleable assets or protection to service their mortgage, there is trouble ahead. The risks are the same if a football club carries substantial debt and creditors that was serviceable but a change in circumstances means that it isn't serviceable in the same way.
Too many people make apocalyptic predictions without any knowledge of any of the facts or any idea of the plans of the owners etc.
Seeing as I have absolutely zero influence on these things, I prefer to just wait and see what happens rather than Wiley speculate.
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The thing about speculation and "stupid" opinions being passed off as fact, and let's face it we're all guilty of it from time to time, is that we only tend to call it out when the subject is something we disagree with.
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Yes, but at both levels in cutting your cloth accordingly your reduce chances of performing things.arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:08 amYes but in those circumstances you make changes and cut your cloth accordingly.
Too many people make apocalyptic predictions without any knowledge of any of the facts or any idea of the plans of the owners etc.
Seeing as I have absolutely zero influence on these things, I prefer to just wait and see what happens rather than Wiley speculate.
There's enough out there for people to be understandably concerned about the club should it be relegated, particularly with an ageing squad, so soon after the debt has been taken on and with reference to what has happened to a number of other clubs.
If you prefer to wait fair enough, but it's entirely reasonable for others to voice their concerns about this, especially on a messageboard that was created primarily to specifically discuss the club.
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You do have influence you just don’t realise it, we all do.arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:08 amYes but in those circumstances you make changes and cut your cloth accordingly.
Too many people make apocalyptic predictions without any knowledge of any of the facts or any idea of the plans of the owners etc.
Seeing as I have absolutely zero influence on these things, I prefer to just wait and see what happens rather than Wiley speculate.
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Re: Danny Welbeck
Its wages
You've seen today that Wood has got a £30,000 a week pay rise just moving to Newcastle
That is the reality
We are run as a business and clubs that are only slightly bigger than us are not
Newcastle under Ashley were run as a business, which is why they paid broadly similar to what we do
Now, of course, as a plaything of an autocratic states sports washing project, they are not
You've seen today that Wood has got a £30,000 a week pay rise just moving to Newcastle
That is the reality
We are run as a business and clubs that are only slightly bigger than us are not
Newcastle under Ashley were run as a business, which is why they paid broadly similar to what we do
Now, of course, as a plaything of an autocratic states sports washing project, they are not
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Voice concerns, fine to a degree.taio wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:18 amYes, but at both levels in cutting your cloth accordingly your reduce chances of performing things.
There's enough out there for people to be understandably concerned about the club should it be relegated, particularly with an ageing squad, so soon after the debt has been taken on and with reference to what has happened to a number of other clubs.
If you prefer to wait fair enough, but it's entirely reasonable for others to voice their concerns about this, especially on a messageboard that was created primarily to specifically discuss the club.
Post that we’ve no money and other made up nonsense, nope, not on.
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Well even if we did have money & say for example the steadfast inclination was not to spend it, the 2 things in terms of improving the team or betterment of the club pretty much amount to the same thing.arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:21 amVoice concerns, fine to a degree.
Post that we’ve no money and other made up nonsense, nope, not on.
Re: Danny Welbeck
8 in 31. Messi-esq.warksclaret wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:56 pmHe has been quite an inspired signing on a free transfer. He signed initially on a one year contract but has already scored 8 PL goals for Brighton prior to tonight which surprised me. He who dares wins
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Re: Danny Welbeck
Whilst he's certainly better than what we have he does seem to be injury prone.
Re: Danny Welbeck
If he wasn't called Danny Wellbeck I don't think many people would be complaining that we've missed out on this striker that's played a third of league games this season and scored two goals.
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Re: Danny Welbeck
Does a premier league season consist of 21 games only? He’s played 7 games with 4 sub appearances.
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So far Brighton have played 20 games so even then the 7 doesn’t constitute a third & remember they throw him on with 20 or so remaining minutes left it’s not bad going off 3 full starts & 4 sub appearances.
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Re: Danny Welbeck
I seem to remember there was a very strong rumour at the time that we were in for Welbeck, opinion was polarised as to whether it was a good signing but Brighton came in with an offer that among other things meant he could stay in the South East (a major consideration in his decision to join Brighton at the time). It would have been a huge gamble given his lack of game time prior to joining Brighton.
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Re: Danny Welbeck
The geography never stopped him moving up to Sunderland & down to arsenal whilst he was at Manchester United so from Watford to Burnley isn’t that much different, money was the motivator he ended up at Brighton.
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I like this analogy.
We are Burnley. We want the brand new state of the art tv, but we can’t afford it.
So we look around for something sort of like it, or one that’s an open box, a scratch and dent or maybe missing the remote.
Then it’s much, much cheaper, and we hope when it’s cleaned up a bit or we’ve paired it with a generic remote it will do nearly as good a job.
We are Burnley
We are Burnley. We want the brand new state of the art tv, but we can’t afford it.
So we look around for something sort of like it, or one that’s an open box, a scratch and dent or maybe missing the remote.
Then it’s much, much cheaper, and we hope when it’s cleaned up a bit or we’ve paired it with a generic remote it will do nearly as good a job.
We are Burnley
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Re: Danny Welbeck
But our answer to Danny Welbeck ISN'T Andy Carroll is it? At least, not yet.
And he WASN’T withdrawn was he?
And these AREN’T exciting times are they?
Turns out, not a lot of substance in your post was there?
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Fair point, playing 35% of games is definitely much more impressive than 33.3%.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:46 amSo far Brighton have played 20 games so even then the 7 doesn’t constitute a third & remember they throw him on with 20 or so remaining minutes left it’s not bad going off 3 full starts & 4 sub appearances.
It's not like Brighton have been banging in loads of goals in the last year so his appearances have been limited by him not being required.
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Re: Danny Welbeck
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Andy Carroll pole up here, would be well within the remit of our MO. He might even dig out that old scouse central midfielder he used to play with who's name escapes me.
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Which makes Rodriguez more expensive than Welbeck right? with the £10m JRod fee compared to £0 for WelbeckVegas Claret wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:32 pmWellbeck is on 2,860,000
Jay is on 1,820,000
That's without a signing on fee
^^^^so says the usual sites