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Danny Welbeck

Post by warksclaret » Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:56 pm

He has been quite an inspired signing on a free transfer. He signed initially on a one year contract but has already scored 8 PL goals for Brighton prior to tonight which surprised me. He who dares wins

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by ClaretAndJew » Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:57 pm

If only we had the money.

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by warksclaret » Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:00 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:57 pm
If only we had the money.
We do at the moment and we had £50m in the bank before the take over-and he was FREE. I think whats more useful than money is VISION at times

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by ClaretAndJew » Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:02 pm

warksclaret wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:00 pm
We do at the moment and we had £50m in the bank before the take over-and he was FREE. I think whats more useful than money is VISION at times
We had 50 million, it's gone. We have nothing. Just whatever the personal wealth of our owners are.

Oh, and a lot of debt.

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by Steve1956 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:11 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:02 pm
We had 50 million, it's gone. We have nothing. Just whatever the personal wealth of our owners are.

Oh, and a lot of debt.
You explain our predicament so well C&J....we all knew it would go tits up big style didn't we?

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by KRBFC » Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:11 pm

Not good enough for Burnley according to the experts on here
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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:29 pm

warksclaret wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:00 pm
and he was FREE
FREE? And what sort of money do you think he's got from that deal?
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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by KRBFC » Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:30 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:29 pm
FREE? And what sort of money do you think he's got from that deal?
less than Jay Rodriguez

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:32 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:30 pm
less than Jay Rodriguez
Wellbeck is on 2,860,000
Jay is on 1,820,000

That's without a signing on fee

^^^^so says the usual sites

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by bfcjg » Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:33 pm

It's naive to think there is cheap or free with more high profile footballers, we get less on then most teams therefore less money, it's basic,it's just the way of things.

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by Pearcey » Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:36 pm

I remember watching him for Arsenal against us. He was superb.

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:48 pm

We can't afford to carry him on the bench/physio room.

24 appearances last season, played 1548 mins out of 2160, missed 6 games through injury and started 17 of those games.

6 appearances this season, played 295 mins out of 540, been injured for 14 games so far this season.

Makes his 8 goals sound even more impressive really, but he's just going to be another player who we wouldn't get enough game time from.

Brighton don't need to worry about balancing the books, never have since Bloom became owner.

Good player to have drifting in from the flank, but that's what Jay used to be able to do.

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by arise_sir_charge » Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:51 pm

The “we’ve got no money” and “we’ve lots of debt” posts are tedious.

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by Penwortham_Claret » Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:52 pm

Sturridge anybody?

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:00 pm

Penwortham_Claret wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:52 pm
Sturridge anybody?
The only reason he's not injured is because he isn't playing

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:02 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:51 pm
The “we’ve got no money” and “we’ve lots of debt” posts are tedious.
That’s the exact reason there is no money that much debts been loaded onto the club, I don’t think it’s a healthy way of doing a takeover putting the club under immense pressure financially.

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by arise_sir_charge » Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:15 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:02 pm
That’s the exact reason there is no money that much debts been loaded onto the club, I don’t think it’s a healthy way of doing a takeover putting the club under immense pressure financially.
How much debt has been loaded onto the club?

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by COBBLE » Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:01 am

Forget this, no reason to think the owners and managers of our club would even consider it. ALK and Alan Pace will
deal with this. I am absolutely they will have prepared for every eventuality.

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Sat Jan 15, 2022 1:34 am

KRBFC wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:11 pm
Not good enough for Burnley according to the experts on here
I remember the discussions. They went along the lines of “no thanks we already have JBG and Brady blocking up the treatment room why do we need another crock unless it’s on appearance money”.

Et voila, 18 months later it’s “we missed out what were we doing”

The same people say the same thing now about Ramsey, Wilshire, Barkley, etc and when one of them inevitably strings 2 seasons together injury free and seems like a steal, they will say the same thing again.
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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by jojomk1 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:13 am

Our answer to Danny Welbeck

ANDY CARROLL

Apparently may be withdrawn from today's game with pending move cited as reason

Exciting times !

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:27 am

jojomk1 wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:13 am
Our answer to Danny Welbeck

ANDY CARROLL

Apparently may be withdrawn from today's game with pending move cited as reason

Exciting times !
Elbowing times indeed! 🖤

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by Colburn_Claret » Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:38 am

I can never understand this need for am established name, as if they are bringing something extra. Most of them are where they are, because of past failures, and they are all on the download in their careers.
Nearly all our most successful signings, we're either players I'd never heard of, or players that were okish, but we weren't in a queue for their signature.
Pope
Heaton
Tarks
Mee
Trippier
Ings
Austin
Keane
Gray
Cornet

Collins and Roberts should be added to that list, but SD doesn't appear to have any faith in youth. Even Dwight only got on the pitch because injuries forced his hand.
We all appreciate you need experience alongside some youth, but we've ended up with just a team of old men.

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:03 am

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:51 pm
The “we’ve got no money” and “we’ve lots of debt” posts are tedious.
Are they factually wrong, though?

If so, how much money do we have?

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by joey13 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:07 am

warksclaret wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:00 pm
We do at the moment and we had £50m in the bank before the take over-and he was FREE. I think whats more useful than money is VISION at times
Burnley didn’t have 50m in the bank , it clearly belonged to the shareholders

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by arise_sir_charge » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:23 am

ksrclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:03 am
Are they factually wrong, though?

If so, how much money do we have?
I don’t know. In truth not a single poster on here does.

I’m just sick of people making assumptions and passing them off as fact. It’s dangerous and unfair.

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:29 am

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:23 am
I don’t know. In truth not a single poster on here does.

I’m just sick of people making assumptions and passing them off as fact. It’s dangerous and unfair.
There was plenty of strong evidence on the takeover thread that we’ve taken on a lot of debt. It’s owed to someone called Dell I believe who is involved in quite a few clubs.

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by arise_sir_charge » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:35 am

ksrclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:29 am
There was plenty of strong evidence on the takeover thread that we’ve taken on a lot of debt. It’s owed to someone called Dell I believe who is involved in quite a few clubs.
Correct but that doesn’t mean to say we’ve no money does it?

I have a mortgage, I’ve still got money. It’s a similar principal.

I’ve seen stupid comments about asset stripping, using the Wood money to pay Garlick and other such nonsense.

All of this on the back of the chairman, manager and anyone else interviewed clearly saying we are looking to strengthen.
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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:44 am

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:35 am
Correct but that doesn’t mean to say we’ve no money does it?

I have a mortgage, I’ve still got money. It’s a similar principal.

I’ve seen stupid comments about asset stripping, using the Wood money to pay Garlick and other such nonsense.

All of this on the back of the chairman, manager and anyone else interviewed clearly saying we are looking to strengthen.
Just pointing out that the debt part is very much true.

You’re right in that none of us know how much money we have, but it’s perfectly reasonable to discuss it. I get that there’s too much opinion as fact but that’s always been the case.

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by taio » Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:01 am

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:35 am
Correct but that doesn’t mean to say we’ve no money does it?

I have a mortgage, I’ve still got money. It’s a similar principal.

I’ve seen stupid comments about asset stripping, using the Wood money to pay Garlick and other such nonsense.

All of this on the back of the chairman, manager and anyone else interviewed clearly saying we are looking to strengthen.
The analogy is helpful because there are broadly comparable risks. If a person's circumstances change, for example they lose their job, and they don't have sufficient income, savings, saleable assets or protection to service their mortgage, there is trouble ahead. The risks are the same if a football club carries substantial debt and creditors that was serviceable but a change in circumstances means that it isn't serviceable in the same way.

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by pureclaret » Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:01 am

just with the money from home games like the FA cup we had 7500 fans on inc away at £20 a ticket i think thats £150k Necastle had 53000 and at £20 a ticket thats about £1 million we can not pay the wgaes of other clubs. shame but unlaess they cap the limit of suppoorters to 20 .000 and not allowed to charge them more than £40 per ticket we cannot compete on level playing field

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by arise_sir_charge » Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:08 am

taio wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:01 am
The analogy is helpful because there are broadly comparable risks. If a person's circumstances change, for example they lose their job, and they don't have sufficient income, savings, saleable assets or protection to service their mortgage, there is trouble ahead. The risks are the same if a football club carries substantial debt and creditors that was serviceable but a change in circumstances means that it isn't serviceable in the same way.
Yes but in those circumstances you make changes and cut your cloth accordingly.

Too many people make apocalyptic predictions without any knowledge of any of the facts or any idea of the plans of the owners etc.

Seeing as I have absolutely zero influence on these things, I prefer to just wait and see what happens rather than Wiley speculate.

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:17 am

The thing about speculation and "stupid" opinions being passed off as fact, and let's face it we're all guilty of it from time to time, is that we only tend to call it out when the subject is something we disagree with.

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by taio » Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:18 am

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:08 am
Yes but in those circumstances you make changes and cut your cloth accordingly.

Too many people make apocalyptic predictions without any knowledge of any of the facts or any idea of the plans of the owners etc.

Seeing as I have absolutely zero influence on these things, I prefer to just wait and see what happens rather than Wiley speculate.
Yes, but at both levels in cutting your cloth accordingly your reduce chances of performing things.

There's enough out there for people to be understandably concerned about the club should it be relegated, particularly with an ageing squad, so soon after the debt has been taken on and with reference to what has happened to a number of other clubs.

If you prefer to wait fair enough, but it's entirely reasonable for others to voice their concerns about this, especially on a messageboard that was created primarily to specifically discuss the club.
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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:18 am

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:08 am
Yes but in those circumstances you make changes and cut your cloth accordingly.

Too many people make apocalyptic predictions without any knowledge of any of the facts or any idea of the plans of the owners etc.

Seeing as I have absolutely zero influence on these things, I prefer to just wait and see what happens rather than Wiley speculate.
You do have influence you just don’t realise it, we all do.

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by Lancasterclaret » Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:21 am

Its wages

You've seen today that Wood has got a £30,000 a week pay rise just moving to Newcastle

That is the reality

We are run as a business and clubs that are only slightly bigger than us are not

Newcastle under Ashley were run as a business, which is why they paid broadly similar to what we do

Now, of course, as a plaything of an autocratic states sports washing project, they are not

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by arise_sir_charge » Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:21 am

taio wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:18 am
Yes, but at both levels in cutting your cloth accordingly your reduce chances of performing things.

There's enough out there for people to be understandably concerned about the club should it be relegated, particularly with an ageing squad, so soon after the debt has been taken on and with reference to what has happened to a number of other clubs.

If you prefer to wait fair enough, but it's entirely reasonable for others to voice their concerns about this, especially on a messageboard that was created primarily to specifically discuss the club.
Voice concerns, fine to a degree.

Post that we’ve no money and other made up nonsense, nope, not on.

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:33 am

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:21 am
Voice concerns, fine to a degree.

Post that we’ve no money and other made up nonsense, nope, not on.
Well even if we did have money & say for example the steadfast inclination was not to spend it, the 2 things in terms of improving the team or betterment of the club pretty much amount to the same thing.

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by Spijed » Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:57 am

warksclaret wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:56 pm
He has been quite an inspired signing on a free transfer. He signed initially on a one year contract but has already scored 8 PL goals for Brighton prior to tonight which surprised me. He who dares wins
8 in 31. Messi-esq.

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by ClaretAndJew » Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:59 am

Spijed wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:57 am
8 in 31. Messi-esq.
Better than 1 in 4. Better than anything we have.

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by Spijed » Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:02 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:59 am
Better than 1 in 4. Better than anything we have.
Whilst he's certainly better than what we have he does seem to be injury prone.

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by aggi » Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:03 am

If he wasn't called Danny Wellbeck I don't think many people would be complaining that we've missed out on this striker that's played a third of league games this season and scored two goals.
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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:32 am

aggi wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:03 am
If he wasn't called Danny Wellbeck I don't think many people would be complaining that we've missed out on this striker that's played a third of league games this season and scored two goals.
Does a premier league season consist of 21 games only? He’s played 7 games with 4 sub appearances.

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:46 am

aggi wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:03 am
If he wasn't called Danny Wellbeck I don't think many people would be complaining that we've missed out on this striker that's played a third of league games this season and scored two goals.
So far Brighton have played 20 games so even then the 7 doesn’t constitute a third & remember they throw him on with 20 or so remaining minutes left it’s not bad going off 3 full starts & 4 sub appearances.

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by elwaclaret » Sat Jan 15, 2022 1:43 pm

I seem to remember there was a very strong rumour at the time that we were in for Welbeck, opinion was polarised as to whether it was a good signing but Brighton came in with an offer that among other things meant he could stay in the South East (a major consideration in his decision to join Brighton at the time). It would have been a huge gamble given his lack of game time prior to joining Brighton.

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Jan 15, 2022 2:14 pm

The geography never stopped him moving up to Sunderland & down to arsenal whilst he was at Manchester United so from Watford to Burnley isn’t that much different, money was the motivator he ended up at Brighton.

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Sat Jan 15, 2022 5:23 pm

I like this analogy.

We are Burnley. We want the brand new state of the art tv, but we can’t afford it.

So we look around for something sort of like it, or one that’s an open box, a scratch and dent or maybe missing the remote.

Then it’s much, much cheaper, and we hope when it’s cleaned up a bit or we’ve paired it with a generic remote it will do nearly as good a job.

We are Burnley 🤷

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by bobinho » Sat Jan 15, 2022 5:37 pm

jojomk1 wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:13 am
Our answer to Danny Welbeck

ANDY CARROLL

Apparently may be withdrawn from today's game with pending move cited as reason

Exciting times !
But our answer to Danny Welbeck ISN'T Andy Carroll is it? At least, not yet.

And he WASN’T withdrawn was he?

And these AREN’T exciting times are they?

Turns out, not a lot of substance in your post was there?

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by aggi » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:04 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:46 am
So far Brighton have played 20 games so even then the 7 doesn’t constitute a third & remember they throw him on with 20 or so remaining minutes left it’s not bad going off 3 full starts & 4 sub appearances.
Fair point, playing 35% of games is definitely much more impressive than 33.3%.

It's not like Brighton have been banging in loads of goals in the last year so his appearances have been limited by him not being required.

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by dougcollins » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:32 pm

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Andy Carroll pole up here, would be well within the remit of our MO. He might even dig out that old scouse central midfielder he used to play with who's name escapes me.

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Re: Danny Welbeck

Post by KRBFC » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:34 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:32 pm
Wellbeck is on 2,860,000
Jay is on 1,820,000

That's without a signing on fee

^^^^so says the usual sites
Which makes Rodriguez more expensive than Welbeck right? with the £10m JRod fee compared to £0 for Welbeck

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