Newcastle v Watford

This Forum is the main messageboard to discuss all things Claret and Blue and beyond
tiger76
Posts: 25697
Joined: Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:43 pm
Been Liked: 4644 times
Has Liked: 9849 times
Location: Glasgow

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by tiger76 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:09 pm

Belial wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:26 pm
To be fair to Wood, the service to him was about as poor as it's been all season too
Ah! it's the service again, well if he can't get decent service from the likes of ASM, Fraser & Trippier he going to struggle isn't he.

Nothing to do with the fact that he can't hit a barn door at this moment, good long may his drought continue.

Belial
Posts: 1678
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:10 pm
Been Liked: 381 times
Has Liked: 320 times
Location: On a crazy train

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by Belial » Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:12 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:09 pm
Ah! it's the service again, well if he can't get decent service from the likes of ASM, Fraser & Trippier he going to struggle isn't he.

Nothing to do with the fact that he can't hit a barn door at this moment, good long may his drought continue.
I take it you didn't watch it then

tiger76
Posts: 25697
Joined: Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:43 pm
Been Liked: 4644 times
Has Liked: 9849 times
Location: Glasgow

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by tiger76 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:15 pm

Belial wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:12 pm
I take it you didn't watch it then
Nope! just followed the text commentary on the BBC, they seemed impressed by Trippier, less so with Wood.

And for all the money Newcastle are splashing out, their biggest worry is ASM staying fit, he's invaluable to them as today yet again showed.

tiger76
Posts: 25697
Joined: Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:43 pm
Been Liked: 4644 times
Has Liked: 9849 times
Location: Glasgow

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by tiger76 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:19 pm

SouthamptonClaret wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:59 pm
Great result for us and good to see Newcastle can't hold a lead
You've only just noticed this :lol: 21 points lost from winning positions that's more than 1 a game, and if EH or whoever succeeds him when he gets potted soon can't solve that issue they'll struggle to climb the table.

KRBFC
Posts: 18018
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:18 am
Been Liked: 3784 times
Has Liked: 1071 times

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by KRBFC » Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:28 pm

warksclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:59 pm
With Norwich winning 3 games now, hate to say it we are the poorest side in the PL however you dress it up. Games in hand for us mean sadly very little with us averaging just over half a point a game this season.
Does however mean we have this window to find 2 or 3 to really improve us.

Belial
Posts: 1678
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:10 pm
Been Liked: 381 times
Has Liked: 320 times
Location: On a crazy train

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by Belial » Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:33 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:15 pm
Nope! just followed the text commentary on the BBC, they seemed impressed by Trippier, less so with Wood.

And for all the money Newcastle are splashing out, their biggest worry is ASM staying fit, he's invaluable to them as today yet again showed.
Tripper was probably their best player, but they didn't create one decent chance all game (aside from the goal). Wood was typically static, but they didn't give him much. ASM was pretty poor for most of the game, but he's their version of Cornet...he can make something happen when the rest of the team are stale, so yeah I agree, without him they'd be in trouble. After spending so much, I don't see them being much better than we are

warksclaret
Posts: 6594
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:13 pm
Been Liked: 1676 times
Has Liked: 754 times

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by warksclaret » Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:37 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:28 pm
Does however mean we have this window to find 2 or 3 to really improve us.
And there lies the challenge

KRBFC
Posts: 18018
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:18 am
Been Liked: 3784 times
Has Liked: 1071 times

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by KRBFC » Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:39 pm

warksclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:37 pm
And there lies the challenge
It can't be too difficult to find a better striker than Rodriguez, a better wide player than JBG and an upgrade on Jack Cork.

They're all League One level

Newcastleclaret93
Posts: 11039
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:29 pm
Been Liked: 1559 times
Has Liked: 359 times

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:42 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:39 pm
It can't be too difficult to find a better striker than Rodriguez, a better wide player than JBG and an upgrade on Jack Cork.

They're all League One level
But we are not looking for better than league one level. We are looking for premier league level.

tiger76
Posts: 25697
Joined: Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:43 pm
Been Liked: 4644 times
Has Liked: 9849 times
Location: Glasgow

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by tiger76 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:47 pm

Belial wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:33 pm
Tripper was probably their best player, but they didn't create one decent chance all game (aside from the goal). Wood was typically static, but they didn't give him much. ASM was pretty poor for most of the game, but he's their version of Cornet...he can make something happen when the rest of the team are stale, so yeah I agree, without him they'd be in trouble. After spending so much, I don't see them being much better than we are
They aren't much better than we are, and even when they beat us in December it was due to an uncharacteristic error from Pope.

And just like us they only have a solitary victory to their name, and only 1 clean sheet I think, which of course was against us.

And as other posters have noted they can't see games out. so I'm not as convinced as some posters on here that Newcastle are certain to pull clear, and Wilson being out for at least a couple of months is a massive blow to them.

The pressure cooker will only grow for Eddie Howe the longer they remain in the bottom 3, and I'm not convinced he's the man for the job, what they need is someone who'll grind out results until May, when they can then really start transforming their squad, which I've no doubt they will.

Aclaret
Posts: 4113
Joined: Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:16 pm
Been Liked: 1299 times
Has Liked: 1391 times

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by Aclaret » Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:51 pm

Last game of the season, Burnley v Newcastle......

AfloatinClaret
Posts: 1826
Joined: Sat May 26, 2018 7:16 pm
Been Liked: 559 times
Has Liked: 1392 times

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by AfloatinClaret » Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:16 pm

Aclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:51 pm
Last game of the season, Burnley v Newcastle......
Which may prove to be the highlight of this year's moderate/boring EPL?
The contest between bottom four clubs is looking a lot more interesting/entertaining than that between the top four.

Belial
Posts: 1678
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:10 pm
Been Liked: 381 times
Has Liked: 320 times
Location: On a crazy train

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by Belial » Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:58 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:47 pm
They aren't much better than we are, and even when they beat us in December it was due to an uncharacteristic error from Pope.

And just like us they only have a solitary victory to their name, and only 1 clean sheet I think, which of course was against us.

And as other posters have noted they can't see games out. so I'm not as convinced as some posters on here that Newcastle are certain to pull clear, and Wilson being out for at least a couple of months is a massive blow to them.

The pressure cooker will only grow for Eddie Howe the longer they remain in the bottom 3, and I'm not convinced he's the man for the job, what they need is someone who'll grind out results until May, when they can then really start transforming their squad, which I've no doubt they will.
They haven't looked it...although when both Wilson and St Max are available, they have always looked that bit better. Fortunately, it's rare the pair of them are available together, as agree with you they're nothing much otherwise. I think that's 11 games where they've gone in front and not won, and like you, I'm not sure Eddie is the man that can change that mentality. The fans are already becoming restless as they're demanding almost instant improvement

JohnMac
Posts: 7179
Joined: Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:11 pm
Been Liked: 2367 times
Has Liked: 3781 times
Location: Padiham

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by JohnMac » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:39 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:47 pm

we have 4 more home games than Newcastle to come
Given our home form over 2 seasons, that is a worry :shock:
This user liked this post: Dark Cloud

Stayingup
Posts: 5551
Joined: Sun Aug 21, 2016 8:02 pm
Been Liked: 914 times
Has Liked: 2726 times

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by Stayingup » Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:10 am

This is a good result for us ONLY if we beat Watford.

dougcollins
Posts: 6586
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:23 am
Been Liked: 1778 times
Has Liked: 1773 times
Location: Yarkshire

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by dougcollins » Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:51 am

Belial wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:33 pm
Tripper was probably their best player, but they didn't create one decent chance all game (aside from the goal). Wood was typically static, but they didn't give him much. ASM was pretty poor for most of the game, but he's their version of Cornet...he can make something happen when the rest of the team are stale, so yeah I agree, without him they'd be in trouble. After spending so much, I don't see them being much better than we are
They didn't even create the goal, it was a defensive mistake followed by typical individual brilliance from St Max.

Spijed
Posts: 17112
Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:33 pm
Been Liked: 2892 times
Has Liked: 1294 times

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by Spijed » Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:58 am

JohnMac wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:39 pm
Given our home form over 2 seasons, that is a worry :shock:
But at least having those games in hand you can never make the situation worse and if you get very lucky in just one game your situation improves dramatically.

Gordaleman
Posts: 3981
Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2020 3:04 pm
Been Liked: 853 times
Has Liked: 604 times

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by Gordaleman » Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:58 am

dougcollins wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:51 am
They didn't even create the goal, it was a defensive mistake followed by typical individual brilliance from St Max.
Yes, and what was good about it was that Wood made the initial error that led to the goal, ha ha.

CFS
Posts: 1848
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:46 am
Been Liked: 231 times
Has Liked: 113 times

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by CFS » Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:04 am

Belial wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:33 pm
Tripper was probably their best player, but they didn't create one decent chance all game (aside from the goal). Wood was typically static, but they didn't give him much. ASM was pretty poor for most of the game, but he's their version of Cornet...he can make something happen when the rest of the team are stale, so yeah I agree, without him they'd be in trouble. After spending so much, I don't see them being much better than we are
Since when has Cornet been on Saint maximans level?

GodIsADeeJay81
Posts: 14562
Joined: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:55 am
Been Liked: 3435 times
Has Liked: 6339 times

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:48 am

CFS wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:04 am
Since when has Cornet been on Saint maximans level?
He hasn't, he's waiting for ASM to raise his game to his level.
This user liked this post: uptheclarets86

Belial
Posts: 1678
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:10 pm
Been Liked: 381 times
Has Liked: 320 times
Location: On a crazy train

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by Belial » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:07 pm

CFS wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:04 am
Since when has Cornet been on Saint maximans level?
Where have I said that?

jos
Posts: 1407
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:02 pm
Been Liked: 227 times
Has Liked: 294 times

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by jos » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:18 pm

Aclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:51 pm
Last game of the season, Burnley v Newcastle......
The way things are panning out at the moment, it may be our next game, With all the others fitting in sometime after!

(I’m joking btw)

CFS
Posts: 1848
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:46 am
Been Liked: 231 times
Has Liked: 113 times

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by CFS » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:49 pm

Belial wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:07 pm
Where have I said that?
You said he's their version of cornet but sorry one is injury prone the other affects games for his team.

CFS
Posts: 1848
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:46 am
Been Liked: 231 times
Has Liked: 113 times

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by CFS » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:49 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:48 am
He hasn't, he's waiting for ASM to raise his game to his level.
Lool ok.

taio
Posts: 11520
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:17 am
Been Liked: 3220 times
Has Liked: 340 times

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by taio » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:01 pm

CFS wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:49 pm
You said he's their version of cornet but sorry one is injury prone the other affects games for his team.
Do people like you actually believe your own bullshite. It couldn't have gone better for Cornet in terms of his own contribution...to the extent that it's virtually impossible for him to sustain that.

Quickenthetempo
Posts: 17913
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:35 am
Been Liked: 3841 times
Has Liked: 2065 times

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:05 pm

I like Saint Maximan as a player but I don't think he has reached Cornet's level of anything.
4 goals in 19 league games this season is his highest return.
I don't think he has played champions league or scored against City in the later rounds?

GodIsADeeJay81
Posts: 14562
Joined: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:55 am
Been Liked: 3435 times
Has Liked: 6339 times

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:15 pm

CFS wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:49 pm
You said he's their version of cornet but sorry one is injury prone the other affects games for his team.
Yes, Cornet has a big influence for us, but he's not injury prone either.

I'll add a lool just so I seem edgy like you.

tiger76
Posts: 25697
Joined: Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:43 pm
Been Liked: 4644 times
Has Liked: 9849 times
Location: Glasgow

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by tiger76 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:21 pm

CFS wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:49 pm
You said he's their version of cornet but sorry one is injury prone the other affects games for his team.
Both have had their injury issues, however this season stats are as follows.

Cornet 6 goals in 13 games.

Saint-Maximin 5 goals in 20 games.

Of course Max has to sustain his form over a few seasons to be considered on ASM levels, but this season he's certainly matching or even bettering him.
This user liked this post: evensteadiereddie

CFS
Posts: 1848
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:46 am
Been Liked: 231 times
Has Liked: 113 times

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by CFS » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:46 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:05 pm
I like Saint Maximan as a player but I don't think he has reached Cornet's level of anything.
4 goals in 19 league games this season is his highest return.
I don't think he has played champions league or scored against City in the later rounds?
You need to score v city to be a top player now?

CFS
Posts: 1848
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:46 am
Been Liked: 231 times
Has Liked: 113 times

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by CFS » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:47 pm

taio wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:01 pm
Do people like you actually believe your own bullshite. It couldn't have gone better for Cornet in terms of his own contribution...to the extent that it's virtually impossible for him to sustain that.
He has the ability to play 19 games cornet has been missing.

CFS
Posts: 1848
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:46 am
Been Liked: 231 times
Has Liked: 113 times

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by CFS » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:47 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:15 pm
Yes, Cornet has a big influence for us, but he's not injury prone either.

I'll add a lool just so I seem edgy like you.
He's injury prawn cocktail laddy.

taio
Posts: 11520
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:17 am
Been Liked: 3220 times
Has Liked: 340 times

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by taio » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:53 pm

CFS wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:47 pm
He has the ability to play 19 games cornet has been missing.
I'll be surprised if we've played 19 games since he signed. But that's irrelevant to your ridiculous inference that he hasn't had sufficient impact since he signed for us.
This user liked this post: tiger76

Quickenthetempo
Posts: 17913
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:35 am
Been Liked: 3841 times
Has Liked: 2065 times

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:01 pm

CFS wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:46 pm
You need to score v city to be a top player now?
To be a top player I think you might have to play for a top club?
Or top the goal scoring charts or be top of the assist league?

I'm sure you get my drift.

Cornet playing for Lyon edges their careers so far.

GodIsADeeJay81
Posts: 14562
Joined: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:55 am
Been Liked: 3435 times
Has Liked: 6339 times

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:27 pm

CFS wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:47 pm
He's injury prawn cocktail laddy.
Is he?
He's had just the one hasn't he, that thigh/hamstring strain.

Hardly means he made of glass.

Belial
Posts: 1678
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:10 pm
Been Liked: 381 times
Has Liked: 320 times
Location: On a crazy train

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by Belial » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:28 pm

CFS wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:49 pm
You said he's their version of cornet but sorry one is injury prone the other affects games for his team.
Yeah...so where's the comparison of Cornet's ability vs St Max's?

Their version - i.e. when there is sod all happening for 89 mins of a poor game, he can pop up with something special and find the net

CFS
Posts: 1848
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:46 am
Been Liked: 231 times
Has Liked: 113 times

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by CFS » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:52 pm

Belial wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:28 pm
Yeah...so where's the comparison of Cornet's ability vs St Max's?

Their version - i.e. when there is sod all happening for 89 mins of a poor game, he can pop up with something special and find the net
He single handedly kept them up last year let's see what cornet does when he's not injured.

Belial
Posts: 1678
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:10 pm
Been Liked: 381 times
Has Liked: 320 times
Location: On a crazy train

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by Belial » Sun Jan 16, 2022 4:06 pm

CFS wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:52 pm
He single handedly kept them up last year let's see what cornet does when he's not injured.
We've already seen what Cornet does when he's not injured...

Anyway, I'll leave it at that as you don't quite seem to get it
This user liked this post: tiger76

SGr
Posts: 4412
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:46 pm
Been Liked: 1022 times
Has Liked: 307 times

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by SGr » Sun Jan 16, 2022 4:16 pm

Struggling to understand why Cornet and ASM are being compared. Two very different players. Both in the same team would be outstanding (and in worst case scenario, we’ll see that next season).

CFS
Posts: 1848
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:46 am
Been Liked: 231 times
Has Liked: 113 times

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by CFS » Sun Jan 16, 2022 4:20 pm

Belial wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 4:06 pm
We've already seen what Cornet does when he's not injured...

Anyway, I'll leave it at that as you don't quite seem to get it
Exactly my point when he's not injured don't think asm has been out that often making him a better player.

GodIsADeeJay81
Posts: 14562
Joined: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:55 am
Been Liked: 3435 times
Has Liked: 6339 times

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 4:34 pm

CFS wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 4:20 pm
Exactly my point when he's not injured don't think asm has been out that often making him a better player.
AsM has missed 2 games injured this season.

Last season though...
Screenshot_20220116-163304~2.png
Screenshot_20220116-163304~2.png (301.8 KiB) Viewed 1424 times
Season before was a similar number of games.
Clearly he's a crock using your system

CFS
Posts: 1848
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:46 am
Been Liked: 231 times
Has Liked: 113 times

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by CFS » Sun Jan 16, 2022 4:55 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 4:34 pm
AsM has missed 2 games injured this season.

Last season though...
Screenshot_20220116-163304~2.png

Season before was a similar number of games.
Clearly he's a crock using your system
He kept them up let's see what cornet is made of

GodIsADeeJay81
Posts: 14562
Joined: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:55 am
Been Liked: 3435 times
Has Liked: 6339 times

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 5:16 pm

CFS wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 4:55 pm
He kept them up let's see what cornet is made of
You've made it clear you're not going to wait, so don't you worry about it petal

Burnleyareback2
Posts: 2664
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:07 pm
Been Liked: 772 times
Has Liked: 1426 times
Location: Mostly Europe

Re: Newcastle v Watford

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:37 pm

Been a while since we had one of these but…


Great work Agent Wood.

Post Reply