Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

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Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by bumba » Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:27 pm


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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by claret2018 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:28 pm

I’d take any of the linked strikers bar Benteke and Carroll as they seem to be in the mould of stop-gap players which is why we’re in the mess we’re in
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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by Awayfromburnley » Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:31 pm

claret2018 wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:28 pm
I’d take any of the linked strikers bar Benteke and Carroll as they seem to be in the mould of stop-gap players which is why we’re in the mess we’re in
Couldn't agree more.

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by tiger76 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:33 pm

claret2018 wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:28 pm
I’d take any of the linked strikers bar Benteke and Carroll as they seem to be in the mould of stop-gap players which is why we’re in the mess we’re in
Agreed we need to start getting youth in, Benteke and Carroll don't offer enough to justify the fees and wages they'd command, especially with no sell-on value.

No over 30's please Mr Pace. :)

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by daveisaclaret » Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:39 pm

Benteke is already tied for 2nd top scorer in the league at the Turf this season, to be fair to the lad

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by jdrobbo » Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:39 pm

Origi would be a very exciting signing. His directness (and speed) would suit us massively
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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by claret2018 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:41 pm

jdrobbo wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:39 pm
Origi would be a very exciting signing. His directness (and speed) would suit us massively
He’d be my number 1 choice

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by superdimitri » Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:43 pm

It's worth going older if the players are considerably better but I see Origi the best out of those 3.
Guirassy is risky, haven't heard of him before but a quick google shows 1 goal in 20 this year, 10 in 27 last year. Mind you, Origi isn't a great goalscorer either.

I think we need to be aiming to sign players younger than 25 if we're to make big money on them. Wood has been the exception to that rule but you'd be lucky to have a big team come in with large sums if you're trying to re-sell players who join the club already when they are 25-26.

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by bobinho » Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:45 pm

claret2018 wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:28 pm
I’d take any of the linked strikers bar Benteke and Carroll as they seem to be in the mould of stop-gap players which is why we’re in the mess we’re in
We aren’t in the mess we are in because of “stop gap” players.

We are in this mess because players have aged and we haven’t freshened up the squad for the last god knows how long until recently. We are in this mess because money bags have swooped for our main striker and he left because he was too comfortable.
None of our recent purchases could be classed as “stop gaps”. The last three at least have been very shrewd bits of business…. If Stephens gets a run in the side now he’s fit, he may even shrug that description off.

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by claret2018 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:50 pm

bobinho wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:45 pm
We aren’t in the mess we are in because of “stop gap” players.

We are in this mess because players have aged and we haven’t freshened up the squad for the last god knows how long until recently. We are in this mess because money bags have swooped for our main striker and he left because he was too comfortable.
None of our recent purchases could be classed as “stop gaps”. The last three at least have been very shrewd bits of business…. If Stephens gets a run in the side now he’s fit, he may even shrug that description off.
I agree to a point. But think of the money we’ve spent on Walters, Crouch, Lennon, Barton (second time), Hart, Bardsley (to an extent), Reid, Stephens. We should have been looking at younger talent to bring on, instead of these players which were signed to fill a position which we then no longer thought about.

We absolutely can’t afford to plug the existing (huge) gaps with more older players who the manager might think could do a job for a few months.

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by DCWat » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:38 am

claret2018 wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:50 pm
I agree to a point. But think of the money we’ve spent on Walters, Crouch, Lennon, Barton (second time), Hart, Bardsley (to an extent), Reid, Stephens. We should have been looking at younger talent to bring on, instead of these players which were signed to fill a position which we then no longer thought about.

We absolutely can’t afford to plug the existing (huge) gaps with more older players who the manager might think could do a job for a few months.
Agreed - if we recruit more ageing players, it shows we’ve learned very little and suggests that there’s not been much in the way of forward planning done over the last twelve months.

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by ElectroClaret » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:46 am

We were "in this mess" a hell of a long time before Wood slung his hook.

As said, almost criminally negligent "reinforcing" of the squad over the past 2 or three seasons is the basic reason we are where we are.

We need someone in yes, but we need the RIGHT recruits in.

Last throw of the dice for this season.

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by fungus_the_bogeyman » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:48 am

Benteke is a massive upgrade on anything we have!
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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by KRBFC » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:53 am

We need players to upgrade and improve the first 11, we're in this mess because the first 11 hasn't been improved consistently in years. Andy Carroll does not improve the first 11, have the fans not learnt anything?

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by Blyclaret » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:55 am

Guirassy is a donkey.

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by ElectroClaret » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:58 am

fungus_the_bogeyman wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:48 am
Benteke is a massive upgrade on anything we have!
A better summing-up of our current predicament would be hard to verbalise... :?

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:29 am

superdimitri wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:43 pm
Guirassy is risky, haven't heard of him before but a quick google shows 1 goal in 20 this year, 10 in 27 last year.
Only 3 starts out of those 20, the rest sub minutes.
He scored 3 in the Europa Conference or whatever it was called when he did start.

They paid 16m for him at the beginning of last season so he can’t be that bad.

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by fungus_the_bogeyman » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:47 am

ElectroClaret wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:58 am
A better summing-up of our current predicament would be hard to verbalise... :?
Maybe, but 10 goals last season in the PL and more goals than all our current strikers. Wouldn’t be averse to this signing at all…

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:08 am

puts into context how important a win is against Watford - out of the bottom 3 with games in hand or cut adrift would play a huge part in trying to attract a player

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sun Jan 16, 2022 5:31 am

Benteke was superb on the Turf this season. He run our centre halves ragged. I know both Mee and Tarky have had poor seasons but they never got near him.
I don't know anything about the French lad but Origi would be a good signing.

I'm looking forward to watching a centre forward with some pace and movement.

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by Fretters » Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:43 am

I hope I'm wrong but I just can't see Origi coming here. He's a top finisher which a very good strike rate when you consider his lack of starts.

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by RVclaret » Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:48 am

Origi would be an excellent signing but just can’t see him coming to a side at the bottom of the league. With him being out of contract in the summer he’ll be able to talk to overseas clubs now too to sign for free in the summer. I’d imagine there will be a few in for him.

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:04 am

Origi being linked with Inter for free in the summer.

Some will still say he's not good enough for us though.

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by Claretforever » Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:15 am

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:29 am
They paid 16m for him at the beginning of last season so he can’t be that bad.
Newcastle have just paid £25m for Chris Wood. :lol:

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by agreenwood » Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:21 am

I think we can confidently say that neither Origi or Benteke will be willing to risk being in the Championship next season.

File under “no chance”.

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by Spijed » Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:30 am

Whar risk is there for these players if they came on loan till the end of the season as they would still get their desired move to their preferred clubs once the season had finished?

The only difference I see is them playing half a season for us rather than being on the bench at either Palace or Liverpool.

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by beddie » Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:33 am

Unlikely we’d get him anyway but for me Origi, it would be pleasing on the eye to actually see a mobile forward with some pace.

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by CryerBFC » Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:52 am

From what I’ve read on Twitter, Origi would be a loan deal.

If he put his mind to it, could be a good move for both, he plays well for us, keeps us up and puts himself in the shop window.

But we all know Dyche’s take on loan players, it’ll be mid April before he gets 5 mins off the bench.
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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by yosserhughes » Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:21 am

We need to be planning for next season which ever league we are in.

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by RVclaret » Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:27 am

CryerBFC wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:52 am
From what I’ve read on Twitter, Origi would be a loan deal.

If he put his mind to it, could be a good move for both, he plays well for us, keeps us up and puts himself in the shop window.

But we all know Dyche’s take on loan players, it’ll be mid April before he gets 5 mins off the bench.
I think with the fact have one fit striker Origi / anyone new would be straight in.

One problem may be that Liverpool wait until the last days of the window anyway because they've got Salah and Mane at the AFCON, while we need someone in now.
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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by Pearcey » Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:27 am

If getting Origi on loan allows him to bang a load of goals in to get himself a move to a top side and keep us up then it’s a no brainer. We need some quality very quickly. Can’t see Klopp wanting to deal with us though.

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:29 am

yosserhughes wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:21 am
We need to be planning for next season which ever league we are in.
This season first!

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by claretandbluesky » Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:59 am

A loan deal probably the best way forward, indeed one or two loan deals.

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by CryerBFC » Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:02 am

I’d take either of Origi or Benteke. Both are better than we currently have.

Any loan deal has to be someone with a point to prove, similar to how Jesse Lingard did at West Ham!

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by Belgiumburnley » Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:02 am

jdrobbo wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:39 pm
Origi would be a very exciting signing. His directness (and speed) would suit us massively
... and most important of all,he is Belgian ;)

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by Bigvince » Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:47 am

yosserhughes wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:21 am
We need to be planning for next season which ever league we are in.
That’s the problem, it’s difficult to plan for next season, when you don’t know which league you’re going to be in!

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by Papabendi » Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:56 am

jdrobbo wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:39 pm
Origi would be a very exciting signing. His directness (and speed) would suit us massively
Why? We've never played that way in the Prem

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by Murger » Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:25 am

We could sign Lewendowski and it still not make a difference. Dyche needs to change the way he sets his teams up too.
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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by Spijed » Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:29 am

Murger wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:25 am
We could sign Lewendowski and it still not make a difference. Dyche needs to change the way he sets his teams up too.
That's not true is it?

Look at how Cornet can create and score goals out of nothing.

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by Murger » Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:31 am

Spijed wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:29 am
That's not true is it?

Look at how Cornet can create and score goals out of nothing.
Of course it's true. Cornets goals have been worldies, absolutely zero to do with the way Dyche sets his teams up.
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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:31 am

tiger76 wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:33 pm
No over 30's please Mr Pace. :)
Unless he's called Cristiano Ronaldo ;)

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by Spijed » Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:32 am

Murger wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:31 am
Of course it's true. Cornets goals have been worldies, absolutely zero to do with the way Dyche sets his teams up.
But the point is, a good player CAN make a big difference regardless of how SD sets up the team.
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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by quoonbeatz » Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:36 am

Murger wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:31 am
Of course it's true. Cornets goals have been worldies, absolutely zero to do with the way Dyche sets his teams up.
Apart from the free kick at Leeds, I'm not sure which one of his goals had nothing to do with how the team was set up. He's been put in the position to score goals and he's done just that.

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by RVclaret » Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:39 am

Spijed wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:32 am
But the point is, a good player CAN make a big difference regardless of how SD sets up the team.
Agree, it’s like when Defour got into the team, he single handedly transformed the type of football we played.

It’s no coincidence that 24 pass goal at Everton was when he was playing.
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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:40 am

quoonbeatz wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:36 am
Apart from the free kick at Leeds, I'm not sure which one of his goals had nothing to do with how the team was set up. He's been put in the position to score goals and he's done just that.
Even the free kick at Leeds will be attributed to a team setup, I can’t believe dyche won’t have any sort of input in allocating set piece duties to selected players.
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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by alwaysaclaret » Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:57 am

Spijed wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:32 am
But the point is, a good player CAN make a big difference regardless of how SD sets up the team.
No not really, not unless Sean dyche allows him, which is actually a lot of the problem.

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by Belgianclaret » Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:08 am

To get either Origi or Benteke (or both) in would be a real coup for us and a definite upgrade on Wood.

It's true that a single player with extra ability in CM like Defour would be enable SD to transition the style of play, and by now I think even he must be aware of the fact that our opponents have sussed out a way to counter our rigid style of play.

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:10 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:40 am
Even the free kick at Leeds will be attributed to a team setup, I can’t believe dyche won’t have any sort of input in allocating set piece duties to selected players.
If he takes credit for that then he has 4 years worth of crap free kicks to be blamed for.

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by HuncoatClaret » Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:46 am

Has we not been linked with Adebayo Akinfenwa yet from Wycombe?

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Re: Benteke, Origi or Guirassy

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:53 am

Tyrese Campbell from our feeder club Stoke has been mentioned
I think he would make an excellent signing

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