Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:53 am

Tyrese Campbell from our feeder club Stoke has been mentioned
I think he would make an excellent signing

Mentioned on here or he’s been linked?

Agree he’d be a good signing, young, athletic and can find the net.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:55 am

Mentioned on here or he’s been linked?

Agree he’d be a good signing, young, athletic and can find the net.

In pretty bad form at the moment. Have a read of the oatcake! A shadow of his pre-injury self, apparently.

That said, if he hits form, he’ll quickly become unaffordable for us, so I wouldn’t be against a bid now. The talent and finishing ability is definitely there.

Divok

P.S. we were linked last January. Then he got injured. Nothing since.

Just to add on Campbell, not in the Stoke team today. Not sure if that’s on form or something’s brewing.

I’d rather play Kevin Long up top
I can’t see any of these players mentioned keeping us up and none would stay with us in the championship.
Added to that the immediate cost implications would hurt us in the short to medium term in regards to funds available for the acquisitions of players for the job of getting back up.

Origi would be a very good signing so much so I think he'll have what he sees as better options.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:00 pm

Just to add on Campbell, not in the Stoke team today. Not sure if that’s on form or something’s brewing.

He’s just been brought on………

BleedingClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:34 pm

I’d rather play Kevin Long up top
I can’t see any of these players mentioned keeping us up and none would stay with us in the championship.
Added to that the immediate cost implications would hurt us in the short to medium term in regards to funds available for the acquisitions of players for the job of getting back up.

Now THAT is how you raise the white flag.

2 or 3 on loan would probably be our best option
although one or two permanent could also work if they
could increase their value and if the worst came to the worst
and we're relegated we could sell them on for a profit.
Or at the very least not lose out financially.

Much depends on how we get on against Watford
assuming the game is on.

Lose it and we're in serious trouble.
Win it and we're in with a chance.
A draw would leave us where we are.

Mail reporting Palace want £12m for Benteke. It’s a no from me.

Palace are not going to lend us Benteke, it would be sale or nothing. At £12 mill for a 31 year old I think that is pushing it a bit. Origi is 26, and probably worth a punt at £15 million. Fast and strong and a good goal scorer. Him and Cornet could score enough to keep us up.

£13m and Benteke for Chris Wood.

No brainer - great deal for us, make it happen.

Origi on loan and a high upgrade in centre mid and you would never know…

Guirassy scored twice today.

cmobfc wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:49 pm

Guirassy scored twice today.

Came on as a 75th minute sub and scored twice in a 6-0 win over Bordeaux.

claretandy wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:12 pm

Came on as a 75th minute sub and scored twice in a 6-0 win over Bordeaux.

Two in 15 minutes. Sign him up

I’d be furious if we doubled £12m of our Woodfall on Benteke.

Assuming we had say £10m to spend this window anyway, I’d rather we spent it all on a CM and a pacy RW then an Origi loan (or, failing that, a Carroll/Defoe freebie). Spunking £12m on an ageing Benteke would waste a massive opportunity to renew the squad.

If it was Benteke or nothing, I'd take him as he's better than Wood. But we have to be looking for a serious upgrade.

RicardoMontalban wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:42 pm

Now THAT is how you raise the white flag.

That flag has been fluttering in a back room of the Burnley FC boardroom for around 2 to 3 years now

Guirassy looks a real handful, somebody to compliment him would be great

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:54 pm

Mail reporting Palace want £12m for Benteke. It’s a no from me.

That would be a high end valuation I’d guess. Probs get him for 10 if not less which would be a good deal given the **** we are in.

I was at the Rennes game today, not only did Guirassy score two from off the bench he was voted man of the match

Don't worry lads, he's found his boots in the shed and is on the way as we speak

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:18 pm

I’d be furious if we doubled £12m of our Woodfall on Benteke.

Assuming we had say £10m to spend this window anyway, I’d rather we spent it all on a CM and a pacy RW then an Origi loan (or, failing that, a Carroll/Defoe freebie). Spunking £12m on an ageing Benteke would waste a massive opportunity to renew the squad.

Absolutely agree-a waste of money we don't have. What is very worrying is if our manager wants him. Were we not going to revolutionise the way we recruit under the new owners, and to some degree with the appointment of Rigg. Please Mr Pace stand firm-Benitez for several million maybe a couple. £12m and we could buy some serious talent abroad as we showed with Maxwell

warksclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:55 pm

What is very worrying is if our manager wants him.

No evidence that is true other than an article by hit-and-miss Nixon. I’m not a fan of his, as everyone knows, but were it to be true I think Pace would be well within his rights to tell Dyche we’re not spending £12m on a 31 yo striker with a 1 in 5 (less than Wood) record.

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 16, 2022 5:53 pm

That would be a high end valuation I’d guess. Probs get him for 10 if not less which would be a good deal given the **** we are in.

We would I think they’d like to get mateta in to replace him if Mainz want to sell he’s on loan & seems to be featuring ahead of benteke. I don’t see the club spending much past Carroll if he decides to join they wasn’t contractually obligated to sell wood so throwing that much money at stopping up won’t be a concern.

Apparently Benteke is settled in London and not interested in moving to Burnley

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:26 pm

Apparently Benteke is settled in London and not interested in moving to Burnley

His comfort zone?

I watched Guirassy several times when on loan at Auxerre in L2. Looked good at that level. Never quite made it in L1.

Scored twice today in Rennes' 6-0 demolition of Bordeaux but he got the last two after Bordeaux had been playing with 10 men for 40 minutes.

Just don't think he'd cut it in the PL.

Origi looks the best bet to me from what I can see.

That said, is there not someone (not the Chilean) from the Championship who we could go for?

ecc wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:51 pm

I watched Guirassy several times when on loan at Auxerre in L2. Looked good at that level. Never quite made it in L1.

Scored twice today in Rennes' 6-0 demolition of Bordeaux but he got the last two after Bordeaux had been playing with 10 men for 40 minutes.

Just don't think he'd cut it in the PL.

Origi looks the best bet to me from what I can see.

That said, is there not someone (not the Chilean) from the Championship who we could go for?

Origi would still be my number 1 target as well.

List of the Championship top scorers here if anybody wants to browse.https://www.topscorersfootball.com/efl-championship

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:57 pm

Origi would still be my number 1 target as well.

List of the Championship top scorers here if anybody wants to browse.https://www.topscorersfootball.com/efl-championship

Wow. That list is interesting. Leading the way by a mile is the distinctly average at best (in PL standards) Mitrovic. No thanks. Then the lad at Ewood - he won't come here. Then after that it's all very meh meh meh isn't it? Grabban is 5th for crying out loud!!!

Benteke might be worth a punt if we could get him cheapish but it's a risk. Origi on loan with maybe buy if we stay up might be decent enough shout.

It's looking a bit bleak for getting the next generation I think - Origi is best for positioning for future with probably Benteke an OK stop gap

Elijah Anuoluwapo Oluwaferanmi Oluwatomi Oluwalana Ayomikulehin Adebayo, Lad at Luton nearly a 50% strike rate and good luck making a song for him and he's from London.

Couldn't edit so

Elijah Anuoluwapo Oluwaferanmi Oluwatomi Oluwalana Ayomikulehin Adebayo, Lad at Luton nearly a 50% strike rate and good luck making a song for him and he's from London. Problem is he has only just joined in 2021.

Don't wany Benteke due to age and a £10 mill fee, Origi not a hope in hell he would come to Burnley, Guirassy know nothing about him bar the video and he only scored once, but he looks mobile and a big unit, so would suit our style, but surely there is some young cheap talent out there somewhere who is hungry as hell to impress and get onto the Premier League stage to put themselves in the spotlight

BabylonClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:45 pm

Wow. That list is interesting. Leading the way by a mile is the distinctly average at best (in PL standards) Mitrovic. No thanks. Then the lad at Ewood - he won't come here. Then after that it's all very meh meh meh isn't it? Grabban is 5th for crying out loud!!!

Benteke might be worth a punt if we could get him cheapish but it's a risk. Origi on loan with maybe buy if we stay up might be decent enough shout.

It's looking a bit bleak for getting the next generation I think - Origi is best for positioning for future with probably Benteke an OK stop gap

That’s why I’m very much of the belief that we can succeed in the championship if we are relegated as I think the prem is at the top of its level and the championship is struggling for quality at the moment.

BleedingClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:34 pm

I’d rather play Kevin Long up top
I can’t see any of these players mentioned keeping us up and none would stay with us in the championship.
Added to that the immediate cost implications would hurt us in the short to medium term in regards to funds available for the acquisitions of players for the job of getting back up.

Be careful what you wish for. In Cotterills era when we were brassic we once started with (a very young) Kyle Lafferty and Duffo upfront! Reading at home if I’m not mistaken!

FeedTheArf wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:00 pm

Be careful what you wish for. In Cotterills era when we were brassic we once started with (a very young) Kyle Lafferty and Duffo upfront! Reading at home if I’m not mistaken!

Collins & Long then
Twin Towers

Benteke or Origi on permanent deals with Guirassy on a loan with buy option would be a great way to spend the Wood money.

Benteke would be a like for like with Wood only I actually think he has more to his all round game.

Origi would be a change of approach, he'd have to adjust more than Benteke but if he did (and so did the rest of the team) he could be a really impactful player.

Guirassy I've only watch a little of but a look at the data shows he could be a really interesting option. He looks like a target man but with added dimensions - he's a good dribbler and offers really good link up passing as well as having the aerial ability. The only think he'd need to work on (again, from looking at the data) would be his defensive game. He doesn't do much defending or pressing bar winning aerial duels and blocking shots at set pieces (but then again, neither did Wood). He'd be the most exciting of the 3 because he's a bit of an unknown quantity but if he could replicate here what he has done in France then he looks an ideal player to link up with Cornet. If he is available on a loan with an option then he's ideal.

Mattster wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 17, 2022 10:12 am

Benteke or Origi on permanent deals with Guirassy on a loan with buy option would be a great way to spend the Wood money.

Signing Benteke would be a repeat of the bad business model we have previously followed. It would mean spending £10m+ on a player in the latter stages of their career with no resale value. A player who would want a significant amount of money in wages.

Huge expense for a fading star. We also have to take into account the possibility that we might well get relegated. If he isn't chomping at the bit to join us now then what will he think about playing in the Championship. He would probably want to leave us and nobody will want to buy a 32 year old striker from us for anything like what we might pay for him now - or pay his wages.

A dumb move all round.

Origi has more to offer, but he is currently injured and we need somebody to start now. Signing him would also take a big fee, big wages and pose the same potential relegation problems. However, we could expect to sell him on in that case, probably for a loss.

Does he have qualities that we could use, possibly, but as you correctly say his addition would force us to make tactical changes to the way that we play. He would define us, to get the best out of him the team would have to conform to the way he likes to play. For my money, we have very little use for a another mobile poacher at the moment. We already have Cornet and the injured Vydra.

However, in both cases we could find ourselves chasing after two players who don't want to come and join us. We are in a relegation battle in which strength of character plays a big part. We need players who will be instantly committed to the cause. That means any player who responds to our transfers offers with " I'll think about it " or " I will need this that and the other " is a poor choice.

We need players who are eager to commit, players who will see a move to us for what it is. A huge undertaking to survive and if we don't a long hard slog to regain what we have lost. The last thing that we need are pampered prima donnas who feel like they are doing us a favour by signing.

Guirassy is a roll of the dice player. You can see that in his stats. He has been in the same squad and the same league for the past four years, but his performance indicators vary wildly. He was poor in 2018/19 and 2019/20, had an excellent season in 2020/21 and is currently having a bad season this year ( but brief cameo appearances can make performing harder ). His shootings stats a sporadic in terms of quality, with more hits than miss, and this is evident if you watch him. His finishing game definitely needs work.

So for me, he is a risky and expensive signing that could easily turn out to be a complete dud. We could be paying a lot of money for a once in a career purple patch statistical player who may not perform at his 2020/21 season level ever again.

Besides, are we really that confident Stade Rennais will sell their only tested back up striker to the excellent Laborde with less than 2 weeks to bring in a replacement - when they are challenging for a lucrative Champions League place ?

Would Guirassy jump at the chance to swap a battle for Champions League qualification for relegation avoidance when he has a contract with Stade Rennais that runs until 2025 ?

We are in such a poor state of affairs because of our poor recruitment in terms of target selection and more importantly a complete absence of any strategic vision in relation to future implications and succession planning.

When we sold Sam Vokes we should have immediately replaced him with a young striker for the future. Or at least somebody with a good few years left in their playing careers. At that time we could have picked up Karlon Grant or Josh Maja. Two young domestic players who were available during that Winter window for 1.5m. Players with future value and more than 1 or 2 years left in their playing careers. Players myself and others suggested on these boards.

We signed Peter Crouch

When Crouch left us shortly after we had the same choice to make. However, instead of buying a player with more than a couple of years left in their playing career, we spent £10m and high wages on Rodrgiuez. An expensive player for today who would offer little 3, 4 or 5 years down the line.

We need to look to the future and consider how a new striker would fit into our plans for now and the future. In the PL or the Championship. That makes Benteke an obvious no, Origi is a possibility ( if we intend on changing to fit him and we more than likely accept relegation as we go through that change ) and an expensive gamble Guirassy.

In my opinion, what we need are two committed strikers, for little to no money, who fit the way we play ( or the eye of the tiger, win ugly, way that we used to play )and are up for a slog. And who are available to buy with little to no fuss.

So, on another thread, I suggested Mikael Uhre. He has the height, physical stature, heading ability and positional sense to operate as a Target man and the explosive mobility to function as a poacher if we need him to. He picks up and scores from chances all over the box, unlike Wood who liked his central corridor shots. I think we could quickly coach Uhre the holdup skills he would need to round out his Target man profile and he could also fit the role of a mobile poacher now or in the future if we need him to. By all accounts he wants to join an English club, Brondy are open to selling him on in this window ( before his contract ends in 2022 )and his price is rumoured to be £1.25m.

Him and Carroll ( on a short term deal ) or a player on loan like Delap would do me and leave us with a lot of money left. We could spend some of that money in this window to improve other areas of the squad. Like bringing in Jed Wallace and Brian Ocampo to fill our wing slots and spending 5-10m on a good central midfielder like Lewis Ferguson.

That would leave us with a lot less work to do in the Summer window come rain or shine - and an extra 15-20m cash in the pot to do it. We could spend some of that on a striker when we have a bigger choice of players to choose from and we aren't under a critical 2 week time cosh.

If you look at all the clips on Youtube Uhre also looks like a good bloke and the sort of character who would mix in very well with our lads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ep_F_IfpBg

Having just turned 27 he will also have another 5 or 6 years left in his career to offer us.

BBC reporter Alex Howell has just reported Benteke has said he has no intention of leaving Palace this window.

So some of the top clubs in Europe are looking at Origi and he’s going to come to Burnley, ok then

RicardoMontalban wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 17, 2022 1:08 pm

BBC reporter Alex Howell has just reported Benteke has said he has no intention of leaving Palace this window.

Phew

Some good suggestions there LTL. Ocampo on a free would be excellent and likely get a work permit as he plays for Uraguay doesn't he? But can we attract him to Burnley? Not sure.

Not seen anything of Uhre aside from the YouTube videos but he does look quite agile for a big lad. At under 2m surely it's a low risk signing worth taking. Don't think Pep loans Delap to us unfortunately, he will want him schooled with a team that focuses on possession / passing.

Agree with your points on Benteke - this is clearly a Dyche target and sums everything up.

RicardoMontalban wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 17, 2022 1:08 pm

BBC reporter Alex Howell has just reported Benteke has said he has no intention of leaving Palace this window.

Thank god!

I would like to sign all three and play them in midfield: they would be better than our current lot.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 17, 2022 1:21 pm

Some good suggestions there LTL. Ocampo on a free would be excellent and likely get a work permit as he plays for Uraguay doesn't he? But can we attract him to Burnley? Not sure.

Not seen anything of Uhre aside from the YouTube videos but he does look quite agile for a big lad. At under 2m surely it's a low risk signing worth taking. Don't think Pep loans Delap to us unfortunately, he will want him schooled with a team that focuses on possession / passing.

Agree with your points on Benteke - this is clearly a Dyche target and sums everything up.

Nods, I'm very impressed with Uhre. It is rare to find someone that tall with that explosive pace and agility. Add holdup play to his game and we could use him in lots of different ways.

What really impresses me is his character. I've watched a lot of Youtube vids on him recently and in the past. He comes over as a really polite and well mannered bloke. Easy going, funny, respectful, everything you would want in a personable character. He has been in a long term relationship, he does his best to keep his family out of the sport light ( has a supportive football mum like Woody who he is very proud of ) and as of December he is a proud new father.

However, on the pitch he is a take no prisoners beast. He is going to score and nothing and nobody is going to stop him from doing that. He simply exudes that level of confidence and desire. The way he flattens the keeper in the Youtube clip I posted previously is harsh, but he simply carries on. He also engages in a cheeky bit of hold up play with the keeper around the 4 minute make Everything he does on the pitch communicates his desire to put the ball in the net no matter what he has to do to make it happen.

As I mentioned in another thread he has already stated his love of English football, having watched it as his primary football viewing and that is the stimulus for his long held desire to play in England. He strikes me as the sort of player who would give us everything in the fight to stay in the PL and should we drop he would give his all to get us back up.

In terms of easy availability, a price of less than £2m and what will probably be far lower wages that a lot of our players he really should be a no brainer.

In respect to Ocampo we could but try. He has played for Uraguay and National are a top league club in their nation, which should help in terms of the revamped WP conditions. I haven't run the points calculation, but I would be surprised if he didn't qualify.

In terms of attraction, I think our current league position and state of affairs make us a very hard sell - but 6 months in the PL at least and a fairly good prospect of playing time should put us ahead of clubs in the Mexican League. Our biggest competition for his signature would probably come from the USA. All told, he isn't super well known and relatively unproven in top flight competition, so I think we would have a good chance of signing him.

Long Time Lurker wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 17, 2022 1:06 pm

Signing Benteke would be a repeat of the bad business model we have previously followed. It would mean spending £10m+ on a player in the latter stages of their career with no resale value. A player who would want a significant amount of money in wages.

Huge expense for a fading star. We also have to take into account the possibility that we might well get relegated. If he isn't chomping at the bit to join us now then what will he think about playing in the Championship. He would probably want to leave us and nobody will want to buy a 32 year old striker from us for anything like what we might pay for him now - or pay his wages.

A dumb move all round.

...

I'm not going to get into a massive back and forth but the reasoning behind Benteke would be he is Premiership ready and a near perfect fit for the big hole we currently have in the front line. If the relegation battle was a distant thing or a foregone conclusion then I wouldn't advocate for him but for the here an now, when we've just shifted one of our highest earners and brought in £25m using less than half of that to get an immediate replacement is not bad business.

The other consideration is that Dyche wants an EPL ready/experienced striker, half of this transfer boon to secure that and keep him happy whilst using the rest on more progressive signings seems the best compromise.

Whether he'd join us I'm unsure, but at the same time you imagine the club has/had some encouragement given they'll be much better connected than you or I. The noise from Benteke saying he wouldn't leave probably means that our offer didn't live up to their demands and all parties have moved on. Benteke makes noise about never wanting to leave in order to keep himself in the good graces of his club.

Guirassy on a loan with a buy option would be low risk and the route from Ligue 1 to EPL is usually quite straightforward adaptation for a player. Would he take it? Well he'd be financially rewarded and have the opportunity to prove he can cut it in the much more financially rewarding EPL. Any buy option would probably be in the players favour RE: relegation so he's nothing to lose and everything to gain.

RE: Uhre, at 27 and needing time to learn the required holdup play isn't ideal in the current circumstances. If we were looking at a player in that kind of mould I'd be more inclined towards Artem Dovbyk. Similar player and similar need to develop the holdup play but 3 years younger. Either way I'd only bring in alongside someone more ready to step straight in.

Ocampo would qualify for a GBE based on his Libertadores appearances and the international cap. Can't say I know anything about him as a player though.

We'll be getting none of them. Our current league position hinders any efforts massively, not to mention the repeated subliminal message from Pace that we are never going to throw money around a la Newcastle.

Mattster wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:33 pm

I'm not going to get into a massive back and forth.

Thanks for taking to the time to reply. I can't quite agree, but I do appreciate the reasoning behind your thinking. Looking at the situation from a different angle the things you said make logical sense. Although they don't quite gel with a recommended move for Origi.

It will be interesting to see which way the club goes in the next few days.

Mattster wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:33 pm

If we were looking at a player in that kind of mould I'd be more inclined towards Artem Dovbyk. Similar player and similar need to develop the holdup play but 3 years younger.

I can't say much about Artem Dovbyk, because I havent seen him play. However, it appears that FC Midtjylland still own 50% of his contract. If he is any good I doubt that Matthew Benham, the owner of FC Midtjylland and Brentford, would sanction a sale of him to us. Even if he did green flag a sale the price would be more than the £1.25m the rumour mill is attaching to Uhre. Furthermore, I doubt that such a sale would be easy to pull off in the next two weeks, given that SK Dnipro don't have a replacement on their books and can't afford to lose him.

I don't see any of those being a Claret come the end of Jan, but if I had to chose it would be Origi by a mile.