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Wood was excellent for us, but much like Cork, Westwood and to a certain extent Gudmundsson because he’s always been hit and miss, he’s been atrocious this season.
It was absolutely the correct decision to sell him and it is time to move more of the deadweights on.
It was absolutely the correct decision to sell him and it is time to move more of the deadweights on.
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He made 34 PL appearances in 2021 and scored 12 goals, there are quite anumber of player who wish that they were that tosh.
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That’s a really good point, imagine that offer coming in from Newcastle without a release clause. I do wonder if that would have caused a rift between Dyche and Pace. At this time we need them both to be fully supportive of each other.claretandy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:50 amThank god for the release clause, because Dyche would never have sold him.
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he was, doesn't change the hilarity of Newcastle paying 25 million for him though
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Exactly! these guys have been great for us, but time moves on, and they aren't up to the task of PL footy week in week out now.BurnleyFC wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:53 pmWood was excellent for us, but much like Cork, Westwood and to a certain extent Gudmundsson because he’s always been hit and miss, he’s been atrocious this season.
It was absolutely the correct decision to sell him and it is time to move more of the deadweights on.
File Wood under Vokes, he was brilliant for us, but we moved him on at precisely the right time, and got good money for him, my main concern now is who we bring in to replace Wood, and if it's Andy Carroll then we've messed up, however if it's a decent young signing, or someone proven at this level, perhaps Benteke, although I have my doubts over whether he'll be worth the reported fee and wages.
Totally agree we need to move more of the older guys out, but a fair number are out of contract soon, so a perfect chance to refresh the squad, which has been allowed to age over the past 2-3 years, due to the lack of investment.
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For me, Carroll would be the final nail in the 'Championship Next Season' coffin and Benteke is not as good as Wood.
The January window is a difficult one, with inflated prices and teams looking to offload their problem players. Sean will know who he wants to bring in and, in Dyche we trust! (At least I do )
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Well said. I am astonished at the amount of criticism Wood is receiving now he has departed. As I said in a post elsewhere, Sean trusted him to be our main striker for the last 4 years, now all of a sudden he is rubbish?Ashingtonclaret46 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:23 pmHe made 34 PL appearances in 2021 and scored 12 goals, there are quite anumber of player who wish that they were that tosh.
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To be fair he had many critics on here when he was here
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He did yes, and my brother who sits next to me on the Turf was one of his biggest critics. What I am trying to say though is many of us trust Sean Dyche to pull us through yet we are rubbishing his trusted ex striker. I thought Wood was ok, sometimes frustrating but with our budget about right for Burnley FC.
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He can't run or beat a man.
and for a big man he can't hold the ball up
absolutely useless unless you're swinging in 10,000 crosses a game and playing the % game.
and for a big man he can't hold the ball up
absolutely useless unless you're swinging in 10,000 crosses a game and playing the % game.
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Nice reception waiting for him next Saturday at ER.
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He’s not even that good in the air, improved here but still miles behind a vokes type. Wood was a good poached but you have to play around him and Newcastle don’t do that so it will be interesting to see how he does.
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He is an excellent finisher but we always redcently just banged a long ball up to his head which has never been his game.
Whenever a quality through ball was played to him 9 times out of ten he would finish it.
We never had the players to play these balls for him apart from Defour and McNeil when he is playing on the left. Lowon did a couple of good assists for him this way.
If Newcastle learn what to do with him they will be alright, hopefully they dont
Whenever a quality through ball was played to him 9 times out of ten he would finish it.
We never had the players to play these balls for him apart from Defour and McNeil when he is playing on the left. Lowon did a couple of good assists for him this way.
If Newcastle learn what to do with him they will be alright, hopefully they dont
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Missed a few this season that a PL striker should have scored.
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When the move was first mooted I was instantly in the sell him if the deal is right camp. Football is about the here and now and the immediate future..not past exploits. Like stocks and shares it is about selling at the right time. Wood was never going to score the goals to keep us up. His race was run..his head and heart not in the fight but Dyche would have kept selecting him. 25m was a remarkable fee..almost double his true value analysts have been saying.
What has irritated me is the constant line that this has weakened us..almost as if that is the biggest plus of him signing for them. Factual only in the immediate sense as we look for a replacement. Nevertheless their fans..and fans of other clubs have this belief we will not cope without him. Obviously it remains to be seen if we do adequately replace him but the links we are getting seem promising.
Social media is quite a fun place watching the Geordie meltdown after yesterday. Does any fanbase veer between high and low as much as they do?
I seem to have attracted a Liverpool fan from Bath (go figure) that seems to think I am bitter about them buying him. He couldn't be further from the truth. He just bangs on about his past record and can't accept we think it is a good deal with his performances this season. Almost as if he has decided he is going to enjoy what he thinks is our misfortune and no matter what i say about it being a blessing he doesn't want to believe me. Cretin.
What has irritated me is the constant line that this has weakened us..almost as if that is the biggest plus of him signing for them. Factual only in the immediate sense as we look for a replacement. Nevertheless their fans..and fans of other clubs have this belief we will not cope without him. Obviously it remains to be seen if we do adequately replace him but the links we are getting seem promising.
Social media is quite a fun place watching the Geordie meltdown after yesterday. Does any fanbase veer between high and low as much as they do?
I seem to have attracted a Liverpool fan from Bath (go figure) that seems to think I am bitter about them buying him. He couldn't be further from the truth. He just bangs on about his past record and can't accept we think it is a good deal with his performances this season. Almost as if he has decided he is going to enjoy what he thinks is our misfortune and no matter what i say about it being a blessing he doesn't want to believe me. Cretin.
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I quite like the sarcasm in this post
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Wood through his toys out of the Pram after being subbed, Sean Dyche let him know in no uncertain terms who was boss. From that moment he has appeared to be sulking on the pitch. I think Dyche had his number from that second, I bet he cannot believe our luck.Jamesy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 5:59 pmHe did yes, and my brother who sits next to me on the Turf was one of his biggest critics. What I am trying to say though is many of us trust Sean Dyche to pull us through yet we are rubbishing his trusted ex striker. I thought Wood was ok, sometimes frustrating but with our budget about right for Burnley FC.
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They got Chris Wood, I believe they bought him so we didn't have him, it was used to upset the apple cart at Burnley and try to put a wedge in our cog, hopefully it has worked the opposite, win against Watford if it goes ahead and the outlook will be a whole lot different.
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I think that is exactly why Wood was so appealing to them, hopefully it backfires from all sides on them.CnBtruntru wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:07 pmThey got Chris Wood, I believe they bought him so we didn't have him, it was used to upset the apple cart at Burnley and try to put a wedge in our cog, hopefully it has worked the opposite, win against Watford if it goes ahead and the outlook will be a whole lot different.
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It does for now we win against Watford it pulls Watford in only Newcastle are already in but that result won’t change from where Newcastle are now, both teams will still be on 14. It doesn’t make that much of a difference to Newcastle only if we lose & it’s 17 to 11 the task becomes harder for them.CnBtruntru wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:07 pmThey got Chris Wood, I believe they bought him so we didn't have him, it was used to upset the apple cart at Burnley and try to put a wedge in our cog, hopefully it has worked the opposite, win against Watford if it goes ahead and the outlook will be a whole lot different.
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There’s many reasons why Wood hasn’t been in form this year. Trip to the Olympics, poor service, lack of confidence. But one thing he’s not, is a bad player and once he’s back in form he will score more goals. Still think if we spend the money well we got the better deal though.
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But he can score 10+ goals consecutively for four seasons on the trot. Goals that kept us up.
I think the only other players who have done what Chris Wood has doe in the last 5 years are Aguero, Salah, Mane, Son and Vardy. Just re read that list and realise you're talking about ******* nonsense with your he can't do xyz. It makes you look like a ******* moron. No wonder everyone falls out with you. Its like you have a massive sign on your head saying "hey take the **** out of me cos if I had any brain cell it would be lonely"
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ThisSydneyClaret wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:20 pmThere’s many reasons why Wood hasn’t been in form this year. Trip to the Olympics, poor service, lack of confidence. But one thing he’s not, is a bad player and once he’s back in form he will score more goals. Still think if we spend the money well we got the better deal though.
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Benteke is a Belgium International, Wood wouldn't get remotely close to being picked for Belgium (if he was Belgian obviously) imho.RalphCoatesComb wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 5:16 pmFor me, Carroll would be the final nail in the 'Championship Next Season' coffin and Benteke is not as good as Wood.
The January window is a difficult one, with inflated prices and teams looking to offload their problem players. Sean will know who he wants to bring in and, in Dyche we trust! (At least I do )
Not saying I want Benteke but us being linked with him was nailed on
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he plays every single minute, the team plays to his strengths and he takes penalty kicks. Imagine calling me an idiot for pointing out how limited he is, passenger of a player while comparing him to Aguero, Salah, Mane, Son and Vardy.BabylonClaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 12:03 amBut he can score 10+ goals consecutively for four seasons on the trot. Goals that kept us up.
I think the only other players who have done what Chris Wood has doe in the last 5 years are Aguero, Salah, Mane, Son and Vardy. Just re read that list and realise you're talking about ******* nonsense with your he can't do xyz. It makes you look like a ******* moron. No wonder everyone falls out with you. Its like you have a massive sign on your head saying "hey take the **** out of me cos if I had any brain cell it would be lonely"
I can confirm my eyes don't lie to me, he cannot hold the ball up for a big man, he's a passenger.
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Agent Wood. Keep it up lad. Keep those linesmen busy.
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Benteke spent a number of years barely making any appearances for Belgium because he has been crap at Palace for years.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:15 amBenteke is a Belgium International, Wood wouldn't get remotely close to being picked for Belgium (if he was Belgian obviously) imho.
Not saying I want Benteke but us being linked with him was nailed on
Last season he finally managed to find a purple streak and hit double figures for the first time in 4 years.
Wood's goal scoring record for us would get him into the Belgian squad ahead of Benteke.
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This!KRBFC wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:36 amhe plays every single minute, the team plays to his strengths and he takes penalty kicks. Imagine calling me an idiot for pointing out how limited he is, passenger of a player while comparing him to Aguero, Salah, Mane, Son and Vardy.
I can confirm my eyes don't lie to me, he cannot hold the ball up for a big man, he's a passenger.
I’m sure there was a stat out that he’s played over 90% of the available minutes for us.
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Harry Kane definitely makes the grade too. He's done it in each of the last 7 seasons and scored over 20 on 5 of those 7.BabylonClaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 12:03 amBut he can score 10+ goals consecutively for four seasons on the trot. Goals that kept us up.
I think the only other players who have done what Chris Wood has doe in the last 5 years are Aguero, Salah, Mane, Son and Vardy. Just re read that list and realise you're talking about ******* nonsense with your he can't do xyz. It makes you look like a ******* moron. No wonder everyone falls out with you. Its like you have a massive sign on your head saying "hey take the **** out of me cos if I had any brain cell it would be lonely"
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Agent wood. Deployed to relegation rivals. Boosted our escape budget by £25m will ensure no effective front man for Newcastle for the rest of season before returning to Burnley as target man back up in the summer for £250k.
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Your eyes are also governed by what the cameras show you.KRBFC wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:36 amhe plays every single minute, the team plays to his strengths and he takes penalty kicks. Imagine calling me an idiot for pointing out how limited he is, passenger of a player while comparing him to Aguero, Salah, Mane, Son and Vardy.
I can confirm my eyes don't lie to me, he cannot hold the ball up for a big man, he's a passenger.
Bottom line is he has scored consiste try for us year after year and at a rate that few other players have managed. This season he has been off it but perhaps he's unhappy he's git to play 2nd fiddle to our new superstar as LTL suggested? It doesn't really matter why he's off it this season. Aside from that his re cord is consisyently good.
If you don't thi k that then I call it. You're an idiot
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If you don't agree with my opinion, you're an idiot!!! wah wah wahBabylonClaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 3:10 pmYour eyes are also governed by what the cameras show you.
Bottom line is he has scored consiste try for us year after year and at a rate that few other players have managed. This season he has been off it but perhaps he's unhappy he's git to play 2nd fiddle to our new superstar as LTL suggested? It doesn't really matter why he's off it this season. Aside from that his re cord is consisyently good.
If you don't thi k that then I call it. You're an idiot
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Agent Wood could be our Trojan Horse, however I suspect he will do better for them than that, but EH will need to get his whole team playing better, the two players outside him basically ignored him for 90 minutes. Lot of talk around Trip's being the feeder with his known crossing and dead ball capability, you just know he (CW) is going to play well and score at some point, I'm hoping that it is in losses against the top ten teams and not against their direct rivals.
The 25 mil is a blessing in disguise and SD has been known to come out smelly good after forced changed, I'm just hoping this forced change is in the Pope & McNeil change, but it needs to be spent well and hopefully not on a single player, plus not like for like. I'm hoping for another pleasant surprise from AP with a couple of players unknown to me, young, fast and energetic. We really need to get back to the minimum requirement is maximum effort because to many games so far this season it has looked like there was not maximum effort from to many players.
The jury is definitely out deliberating the outcome of this move but we will know in the fullness of time.
The 25 mil is a blessing in disguise and SD has been known to come out smelly good after forced changed, I'm just hoping this forced change is in the Pope & McNeil change, but it needs to be spent well and hopefully not on a single player, plus not like for like. I'm hoping for another pleasant surprise from AP with a couple of players unknown to me, young, fast and energetic. We really need to get back to the minimum requirement is maximum effort because to many games so far this season it has looked like there was not maximum effort from to many players.
The jury is definitely out deliberating the outcome of this move but we will know in the fullness of time.
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Not at all. I've pointed out he's scored consistently - something not many other strikers have done in this league. Players costing far more than him. That's fact. Not opinion.
You don't like him. You think he's a donkey. Fine. That's your opinion. Some people are of the opinion that the world is flat. They're kinda idiots.
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I don't get the hang up on 'Wood has scored 10+ goals for the last 4 seasons' nonsense. On the form he has shown this season he didn't look like getting anywhere near 10+ this season and its this season that counts, his 10+ goals last season doesn't help us this season and 25m for a 30yo Chris Wood is good business which ever way you look at it.
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There's a lot of debate about whether or not Chris Wood was good for us. I can see it from both sides.
In numbers of goals, yes he was very good for us. He scored goals that realistically contributed to keeping us in the PL for this long. Credit to him for that and for doing it for four years in a row.
Has he been excellent for us in influencing how we play? No I don't think he has. I watch football to be entertained and Chris Wood has seldom entertained me and neither has the system we've adapted, in part to incorporate him into the side.
I think back to players who had me out of my seat with excitement, the ones I'll always remember as I was growing up- Glen Little, Robbie Blake etc. and the thing is, when I'm old and grey, I won't remember the league we were in but I'll remember how they made me feel as a supporter.
I'd rather have players who exhilarated in the Championship than scored ten goals a year off their face or knee to keep us in the Premier League.
In numbers of goals, yes he was very good for us. He scored goals that realistically contributed to keeping us in the PL for this long. Credit to him for that and for doing it for four years in a row.
Has he been excellent for us in influencing how we play? No I don't think he has. I watch football to be entertained and Chris Wood has seldom entertained me and neither has the system we've adapted, in part to incorporate him into the side.
I think back to players who had me out of my seat with excitement, the ones I'll always remember as I was growing up- Glen Little, Robbie Blake etc. and the thing is, when I'm old and grey, I won't remember the league we were in but I'll remember how they made me feel as a supporter.
I'd rather have players who exhilarated in the Championship than scored ten goals a year off their face or knee to keep us in the Premier League.
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Chris Iwelumo scored goals tooBabylonClaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:02 pmNot at all. I've pointed out he's scored consistently - something not many other strikers have done in this league. Players costing far more than him. That's fact. Not opinion.
You don't like him. You think he's a donkey. Fine. That's your opinion. Some people are of the opinion that the world is flat. They're kinda idiots.
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Yes the sale will ultimately prove to be good business for us.FulledgeClaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:19 pmI don't get the hang up on 'Wood has scored 10+ goals for the last 4 seasons' nonsense. On the form he has shown this season he didn't look like getting anywhere near 10+ this season and its this season that counts, his 10+ goals last season doesn't help us this season and 25m for a 30yo Chris Wood is good business which ever way you look at it.
What's amusing has been his detractors running around trying to claim he never ever that good for us, most likely because he's now left us.
Yes his offside record was a running joke at times, but that's because he was playing on the edge and constantly trying to get to the ball first etc like all good strikers do.
His goals, his ability to occupy defenders etc were vital to us during his time here, especially the season we finished 7th when him and Barnes just battered central defenders together.
He just hit the ground scoring, from his first appearance Vs Spurs at Wembley when he got the equaliser with what I think was pretty much his first touch of the ball.
We got a great return on a player we only paid £15 million for and whose goal record stood up well against most of the PL during his time here with a 1 in 3 ratio.
We've done really well selling him for £20-25 million considering his age and drop in form, especially as we've had people saying for ages no one would buy him in his current form.
He's probably been the best goalscorer many people have ever seen at this club, especially as 49 out of his 53 goals have been in the PL against some top class defenders.
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I think if we was to rerun every single PL games & focus on the near misses we’d come across salah ect missing some gilt edged 1s, it’s a big deal to us because the chances aren’t created as often making it even more important to convert.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:27 pmMissed a few this season that a PL striker should have scored.
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Indeed, but there's also the element of being able to make goals yourself and bring others into play. You need it all in the premier league and the old school poachers just can't be carried like they used to be.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:29 amI think if we was to rerun every single PL games & focus on the near misses we’d come across salah ect missing some gilt edged 1s, it’s a big deal to us because the chances aren’t created as often making it even more important to convert.
We don't score many goals from midfield but a lot of that is down to him being our entire focal point. Sign someone who has a better footballing brain and the ability to bring others into play and suddenly we'll do a lot better.
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Trouble is he will need time to bed in. He didn't get the best service, he's out of form and the Newcastle crowd who are let's face it vocal will get on his back. Agree he might be better away from home but if it all takes too long I agree with a previous post, Howe will be sacked and Chris Wood's Premier League career over.claretandbluesky wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:49 amWhen and if Wood hits form they will be piping a different tune. Certainly have the players to provide him with ammunition but when he gets that first goal will be crucial. Imagine he might do better away from home.
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etc.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:29 amI think if we was to rerun every single PL games & focus on the near misses we’d come across salah ect missing some gilt edged 1s, it’s a big deal to us because the chances aren’t created as often making it even more important to convert.
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Agree, let’s get some of that £25 mill spent then for the qualities that you’ve mentioned we may need to top up as well.superdimitri wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 2:47 amIndeed, but there's also the element of being able to make goals yourself and bring others into play. You need it all in the premier league and the old school poachers just can't be carried like they used to be.
We don't score many goals from midfield but a lot of that is down to him being our entire focal point. Sign someone who has a better footballing brain and the ability to bring others into play and suddenly we'll do a lot better.
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What are these things called "penalty kicks"?KRBFC wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:36 amhe plays every single minute, the team plays to his strengths and he takes penalty kicks. Imagine calling me an idiot for pointing out how limited he is, passenger of a player while comparing him to Aguero, Salah, Mane, Son and Vardy.
I can confirm my eyes don't lie to me, he cannot hold the ball up for a big man, he's a passenger.
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Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
As you say the difference is that Liverpool create far more chances. In the Prem Stats Wood has missed 8 big chances and Salah has missed 13! Who would you rather have?Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:29 amI think if we was to rerun every single PL games & focus on the near misses we’d come across salah ect missing some gilt edged 1s, it’s a big deal to us because the chances aren’t created as often making it even more important to convert.
It’s the same with offside, Vardy is offside more than Wood.
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Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Salah is a far better striker we aren’t doing like for like comparisons, dig up pukkis stats & go off that.Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:19 amAs you say the difference is that Liverpool create far more chances. In the Prem Stats Wood has missed 8 big chances and Salah has missed 13! Who would you rather have?
It’s the same with offside, Vardy is offside more than Wood.
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Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
I|'m sure Eddie doesn't read this forum anymore. Pity really because, if he did so, he would find that his new £25m striker has been scoring pretty low in the player ratings for quite a while. Whilst these figures are not scientific, they do show a lack of form.
Good luck in the Championship Eddie.
Good luck in the Championship Eddie.
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Newcastle fan here, pretty happy with the signing to be honest. £25m is the going rate for an average Premier League striker and Chris Wood is an average Premier League striker. Anyone writing him off after 1 game is an idiot. Anyone thinking he's going to fire us up the league, is an idiot.
What this signing does is strengthen our squad (he's infinitely better than what we usually have on the bench), and it weakens a relegation rival.
I don't think our striker search is over, and I don't think we're done spending on our squad by a long shot. We can afford to drop £25m on Wood even if the gamble fails, and the gamble for you is how you're going to spend it.
What this signing does is strengthen our squad (he's infinitely better than what we usually have on the bench), and it weakens a relegation rival.
I don't think our striker search is over, and I don't think we're done spending on our squad by a long shot. We can afford to drop £25m on Wood even if the gamble fails, and the gamble for you is how you're going to spend it.
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Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
I think you're wrong when you said it weakens us, we were doomed with Wood upfront. All you have done is given us a sizeable chunk of cash for a player so out of form he was hindering us and helping you long before he put on the black and white shirt.TheFish wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:28 amNewcastle fan here, pretty happy with the signing to be honest. £25m is the going rate for an average Premier League striker and Chris Wood is an average Premier League striker. Anyone writing him off after 1 game is an idiot. Anyone thinking he's going to fire us up the league, is an idiot.
What this signing does is strengthen our squad (he's infinitely better than what we usually have on the bench), and it weakens a relegation rival.
I don't think our striker search is over, and I don't think we're done spending on our squad by a long shot. We can afford to drop £25m on Wood even if the gamble fails, and the gamble for you is how you're going to spend it.
That signing could seriously bite you on the arse if we strengthen from it because without him gone, we were doomed and without the finance to really change it.
So thankyou for the financial lifeline, can you please give us an extra £10-15m in the pot for Tarkowski?