Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:46 am
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Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:58 am
We could have Kane and Salah up front at Burnley and they wouldn’t score that many with the service from our so-called midfield and wide men.
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:59 am
How much does he weaken us? If we get Carroll it would be like for like (+25m). I don’t think, over last 12 months, he’s quite good enough to describe him as an “average Pl striker”, bar perhaps Norwich and Everton, can you think of any other team where he would be first choice striker?TheFish wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:28 amNewcastle fan here, pretty happy with the signing to be honest. £25m is the going rate for an average Premier League striker and Chris Wood is an average Premier League striker. Anyone writing him off after 1 game is an idiot. Anyone thinking he's going to fire us up the league, is an idiot.
What this signing does is strengthen our squad (he's infinitely better than what we usually have on the bench), and it weakens a relegation rival.
I don't think our striker search is over, and I don't think we're done spending on our squad by a long shot. We can afford to drop £25m on Wood even if the gamble fails, and the gamble for you is how you're going to spend it.
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 12:22 pm
Etc. is an abbreviation for et cetera so it’s etc.not ect. Pedantry over.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:56 amMeaning all the top strikers Jesus, salah ect, before today I’ll wager messi has missed sitters, Chris wood is not unique in missing chances far better strikers than him miss also.
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 12:27 pm
I've never been a Wood fan but describing him as like for like with Andy Carroll is ******* hilariousBurnley Ace wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:59 amHow much does he weaken us? If we get Carroll it would be like for like (+25m). I don’t think, over last 12 months, he’s quite good enough to describe him as an “average Pl striker”, bar perhaps Norwich and Everton, can you think of any other team where he would be first choice striker?
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 12:32 pm
The point stands, Chris wood is not the only striker to miss chances to boatsheds post which has since developed into me explaining simple things. In future I’ll digest a book of English language & grammar before posting amongst the board of Mensa intellectuals through fear of offending.
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 12:58 pm
It weakens you until he's replaced, even if that is just in terms of squad members. From all the postponements it would appear that's not your strong point?KRBFC wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:36 amI think you're wrong when you said it weakens us, we were doomed with Wood upfront. All you have done is given us a sizeable chunk of cash for a player so out of form he was hindering us and helping you long before he put on the black and white shirt.
That signing could seriously bite you on the arse if we strengthen from it because without him gone, we were doomed and without the finance to really change it.
So thankyou for the financial lifeline, can you please give us an extra £10-15m in the pot for Tarkowski?
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:00 pm
Carroll at his very best was better then Wood at his best however Wood was a better player for a longer period.
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:01 pm
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:02 pm
We had Carroll. Carroll would not be like for like as, unfortunately, Big Andy's best days are way behind him.Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:59 amHow much does he weaken us? If we get Carroll it would be like for like (+25m). I don’t think, over last 12 months, he’s quite good enough to describe him as an “average Pl striker”, bar perhaps Norwich and Everton, can you think of any other team where he would be first choice striker?
Once WIlson is back (or we sign a striker), Wood will not be first choice striker.
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:19 pm
I disagree, both play the same role though Carroll does have more ball control and is probably slightly faster, Wood is more subtle with his strength, does take defenders out of position and is perhaps more of a “poacher” in the 6 yard box.
I don’t see a fit Carroll being any less effective for us than Wood has been over the last 12 months.
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:22 pm
Carroll has scored 1 PL goal in 3 years.Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:19 pmI disagree, both play the same role though Carroll does have more ball control and is probably slightly faster, Wood is more subtle with his strength, does take defenders out of position and is perhaps more of a “poacher” in the 6 yard box.
I don’t see a fit Carroll being any less effective for us than Wood has been over the last 12 months.
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:27 pm
You clearly watch football with your eyes shut if equally both were the same Newcastle wouldn’t have shelled out £25mil they would have took carroll from reading instead for next to nothing, Andy Carroll is not a million miles away from the knackers yard now.Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:19 pmI disagree, both play the same role though Carroll does have more ball control and is probably slightly faster, Wood is more subtle with his strength, does take defenders out of position and is perhaps more of a “poacher” in the 6 yard box.
I don’t see a fit Carroll being any less effective for us than Wood has been over the last 12 months.
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:29 pm
I’m glad you have an inside track on the transfer deliberations of Newcastle. Perhaps they didn’t want to sign Carroll on 2.5 year contract, what did Eddie tell you?Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:27 pmYou clearly watch football with your eyes shut if equally both were the same Newcastle wouldn’t have shelled out £25mil they would have took carroll from reading instead for next to nothing, Andy Carroll is not a million miles away from the knackers yard now.
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:33 pm
Because he’s 33 now you are pushing onto 36 maybe slightly going over with 2.5 years it’s far too long when he’s probably got another year left in him if that. No PL club would touch AC if he angling for 2.5 years, he’s playing at reading with drinkwater & Scott dann it’s like a old prem retirement home.Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:29 pmI’m glad you have an inside track on the transfer deliberations of Newcastle. Perhaps they didn’t want to sign Carroll on 2.5 year contract, what did Eddie tell you?
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:33 pm
Wood scored 12 goals in the last 12 months (a goal every 3 games), you think Carroll could match that?Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:19 pmI disagree, both play the same role though Carroll does have more ball control and is probably slightly faster, Wood is more subtle with his strength, does take defenders out of position and is perhaps more of a “poacher” in the 6 yard box.
I don’t see a fit Carroll being any less effective for us than Wood has been over the last 12 months.
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:37 pm
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:38 pm
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:39 pm
That could be the reason they went for Wood. Unless you know differently?Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:33 pmBecause he’s 33 now you are pushing onto 36 maybe slightly going over with 2.5 years it’s far too long when he’s probably got another year left in him if that. No PL club would touch AC if he angling for 2.5 years, he’s playing at reading with drinkwater & Scott dann it’s like a old prem retirement home.
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:41 pm
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:42 pm
Common sense should tell you if both were the same or even remotely close the valuations wouldn’t be so far apart.Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:39 pmThat could be the reason they went for Wood. Unless you know differently?
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:42 pm
Funny how Cornet doesn't have a problem scoring though.Vino blanco wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:58 amWe could have Kane and Salah up front at Burnley and they wouldn’t score that many with the service from our so-called midfield and wide men.
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:43 pm
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:43 pm
Do you accept you know nothing about Newcastle’s transfer deliberations you are you are just using your “common sense”. I think we can end this little discussion here.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:42 pmCommon sense should tell you if both were the same or even remotely close the valuations wouldn’t be so far apart.
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:45 pm
OK. Can't see it myself.
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:48 pm
So last season he missed over a third of the season and this over half so far.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:43 pmStarting to be a concern I'd say.
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Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:07 pm
He's always been a bit brittle. That's why we signed Wood. We're apparently after Zapata, Etikite, Dembele, Aubameyang, Nunez, Solanke, Dzeko, Brereton-Diaz, Alvarez, Azmoun, Nketiah, Barbosa, Cabral, Origi, Martial, Dieng, Morelos, Isak, Okafor, Schick, Mateta, Belott, Dykes... every striker in the world ever.
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:12 pm
Apart from Andy ****ing Carroll.TheFish wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:07 pmHe's always been a bit brittle. That's why we signed Wood. We're apparently after Zapata, Etikite, Dembele, Aubameyang, Nunez, Solanke, Dzeko, Brereton-Diaz, Alvarez, Azmoun, Nketiah, Barbosa, Cabral, Origi, Martial, Dieng, Morelos, Isak, Okafor, Schick, Mateta, Belott, Dykes... every striker in the world ever.
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:35 pm
From all the postponements it would appear that's not your strong point?
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You are correct. We do have a small squad which has generally been tight knit and played above themselves until this season. Despite having long term absentees such as Barnes, Stephens (and until recently Cork) we have battled gamefully on without having to seek postponements. I think finally the events of the last couple of months have caught up with our small squad and just 4 days ago we requested a postponement for the FIRST time after seeing the big clubs pleading for games to be called off week after week. Subsequently due to the Watford fixture being shoe horned in 3 days later the situation with injuries and lack of players remains unchanged so a second request was put into the Premier League regarding the game that was scheduled for tonight.
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You are correct. We do have a small squad which has generally been tight knit and played above themselves until this season. Despite having long term absentees such as Barnes, Stephens (and until recently Cork) we have battled gamefully on without having to seek postponements. I think finally the events of the last couple of months have caught up with our small squad and just 4 days ago we requested a postponement for the FIRST time after seeing the big clubs pleading for games to be called off week after week. Subsequently due to the Watford fixture being shoe horned in 3 days later the situation with injuries and lack of players remains unchanged so a second request was put into the Premier League regarding the game that was scheduled for tonight.
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 4:54 pm
He has played 18 PL games this season, including the one for you, and he has scored 3 goals. Last season at this stage he had player 18 PL games and scored 3 goals. In his time with us he has scored 67% of his goals from game 19 onwards. He will add another 7 goals to take him to double figures again and he may even add more.TheFish wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:28 amNewcastle fan here, pretty happy with the signing to be honest. £25m is the going rate for an average Premier League striker and Chris Wood is an average Premier League striker. Anyone writing him off after 1 game is an idiot. Anyone thinking he's going to fire us up the league, is an idiot.
What this signing does is strengthen our squad (he's infinitely better than what we usually have on the bench), and it weakens a relegation rival.
I don't think our striker search is over, and I don't think we're done spending on our squad by a long shot. We can afford to drop £25m on Wood even if the gamble fails, and the gamble for you is how you're going to spend it.
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:04 pm
Would that be the two postponements this week against Leicester and Watford which were both at Burnley's request because of Covid.
I seem to recall that Newcastle, with their far superior squad members, were responsible for calling off games against Everton and Southampton ----so it would appear that it is also not your strong point!
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:06 pm
People seem to be missing the point that Wood scored 3 goals for us this term, while offering absolutely nothing else.
Had Carroll played for us for the first half of the season I think he'd have had pretty much the same impact Wood has had, perhaps better.
People seem to be of the opinion, Wood was going to net 8+ in the back half of the season from his "comfort zone". Dreamers!
Had Carroll played for us for the first half of the season I think he'd have had pretty much the same impact Wood has had, perhaps better.
People seem to be of the opinion, Wood was going to net 8+ in the back half of the season from his "comfort zone". Dreamers!
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:11 pm
The tables below are quite interesting to your point Conroy in my opinionConroy92 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:06 pmPeople seem to be missing the point that Wood scored 3 goals for us this term, while offering absolutely nothing else.
Had Carroll played for us for the first half of the season I think he'd have had pretty much the same impact Wood has had, perhaps better.
People seem to be of the opinion, Wood was going to net 8+ in the back half of the season from his "comfort zone". Dreamers!
This season Chris Wood has scored 3 but the expected goals (XG) from the chances he has had would have only put him at 5. (He's left us scoring at 60% goals to expected goals - compared to the last couple of seasons where he seems to have scored where he was expected to with a much higher % of accuracy).
So you are right in that if we had a similar target man in Andy Carroll his opportunities to score are likely to have been similar and to back up why I think you are right to call out that Wood wouldn't have been our saviour by staying either is because
1 - The ability to keep clean sheets seems to have been lost and therefore we need to score 2 goals minimum to win a game.
2 - The reliance on where our goals come from sees our Midfield missing.
Our midfield has been atrocious in proving goals and this is why I think fixing our problems isn't necessarily about replacing Wood but its about a much deeper issue in how we get more contributions and opportunities.
XG stats for Wood and Goals scored this season for us to help show the points above.
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Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:39 pm
So you are writing Wood off after one game despite what you stated earlier.
Problem is you are really worried that a 'minnow' like Burnley might get under your feet and spoil your big plans. Coming on here 'shouting the odds' as though none of us have any idea of the dire position we are in. Sign every player available because it appears it might make you happy and here in our part of the country we are so in awe of you. Grow up, football is broken beyond repair. Corrupt beyond belief. Wallowing in all that money, dreaming of what might be whilst all the time the numbers of people in this country who care about 'the beautiful game' are disappearing at an exponential rate.
Looking forward to playing City/ Chelsea six times.es a year must really whet the appetite.
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:47 pm
And when you miss out on all of them, you can have Ashley Barnes for £25mTheFish wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:07 pmHe's always been a bit brittle. That's why we signed Wood. We're apparently after Zapata, Etikite, Dembele, Aubameyang, Nunez, Solanke, Dzeko, Brereton-Diaz, Alvarez, Azmoun, Nketiah, Barbosa, Cabral, Origi, Martial, Dieng, Morelos, Isak, Okafor, Schick, Mateta, Belott, Dykes... every striker in the world ever.
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:48 pm
The Fish becomes the fisherman and he's catching more sardines than Eric Cantona on a bad day 
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:22 pm
No, it isn't. But we've now added a player.Ashingtonclaret46 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:04 pmWould that be the two postponements this week against Leicester and Watford which were both at Burnley's request because of Covid.
I seem to recall that Newcastle, with their far superior squad members, were responsible for calling off games against Everton and Southampton ----so it would appear that it is also not your strong point!
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:27 pm
I'm not writing him off at all, just saying he's not first choice. Doesn't mean he won't be useful.Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:39 pmSo you are writing Wood off after one game despite what you stated earlier.
Problem is you are really worried that a 'minnow' like Burnley might get under your feet and spoil your big plans. Coming on here 'shouting the odds' as though none of us have any idea of the dire position we are in. Sign every player available because it appears it might make you happy and here in our part of the country we are so in awe of you. Grow up, football is broken beyond repair. Corrupt beyond belief. Wallowing in all that money, dreaming of what might be whilst all the time the numbers of people in this country who care about 'the beautiful game' are disappearing at an exponential rate.
Looking forward to playing City/ Chelsea six times.es a year must really whet the appetite.
Dunno where the last part of your post has come from. Sounds awfully embittered and awfully dramatic.
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:27 pm
And herein proves why these newfangled stats are drivel.clarethomer wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:11 pmThe tables below are quite interesting to your point Conroy in my opinion
This season Chris Wood has scored 3 but the expected goals (XG) from the chances he has had would have only put him at 5. (He's left us scoring at 60% goals to expected goals - compared to the last couple of seasons where he seems to have scored where he was expected to with a much higher % of accuracy).
So you are right in that if we had a similar target man in Andy Carroll his opportunities to score are likely to have been similar and to back up why I think you are right to call out that Wood wouldn't have been our saviour by staying either is because
1 - The ability to keep clean sheets seems to have been lost and therefore we need to score 2 goals minimum to win a game.
2 - The reliance on where our goals come from sees our Midfield missing.
Our midfield has been atrocious in proving goals and this is why I think fixing our problems isn't necessarily about replacing Wood but its about a much deeper issue in how we get more contributions and opportunities.
XG stats for Wood and Goals scored this season for us to help show the points above.
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Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:32 pm
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:13 pm
This is usually when someone posts stats to show that our midfield and defence is 3rd best in Europe , usually based of something like “ winning 2nd balls between 45-55 mins and involving Ashley Westwood “
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:18 pm
Re: What were they expecting for 25 million
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:51 pm
Like most things there is no one single problem. I think our greatest problem is that we have had the most hard working central midfield in the Premiership, which is now well into its 30s. I can't evidence that is the reason why we ship the odd goal more than we used to or we provide slightly less than we used to - but it seems to me to be a reasonable assumption.clarethomer wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:11 pmThe tables below are quite interesting to your point Conroy in my opinion
This season Chris Wood has scored 3 but the expected goals (XG) from the chances he has had would have only put him at 5. (He's left us scoring at 60% goals to expected goals - compared to the last couple of seasons where he seems to have scored where he was expected to with a much higher % of accuracy).
So you are right in that if we had a similar target man in Andy Carroll his opportunities to score are likely to have been similar and to back up why I think you are right to call out that Wood wouldn't have been our saviour by staying either is because
1 - The ability to keep clean sheets seems to have been lost and therefore we need to score 2 goals minimum to win a game.
2 - The reliance on where our goals come from sees our Midfield missing.
Our midfield has been atrocious in proving goals and this is why I think fixing our problems isn't necessarily about replacing Wood but its about a much deeper issue in how we get more contributions and opportunities.
XG stats for Wood and Goals scored this season for us to help show the points above.
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To repeat Sean Dyche - it's all about margins. A virtually zero net spend in the last 3 years has left us 1 or two players light of where you may reasonably expect the squad to be; again it's about detail. Rodriguez and Barnes never prolific but consistently effective simply have stopped scoring at this level. Age, fitness? Possibly - probably?
Chris Wood being less effective is probably a combination of these factors plus a lack of confidence and maybe also a bit of an age factor. Big lads who bully and impose themselves on others may lose some physicality with age. I can't say for certain but it could be a factor.
The squad is still effective and hard working capable of matching anyone; however, too often they are shaded on the day. 3 years ago that was not the case. So, Chris Woods departure is not going to change anything (we've won 1 in 17 with him); however, he is a good player and replacing him will be difficult. Regardless of opinion very few players score double digits every year. A reasonable assumption to make is that without an equal replacement for him 0 out of 17 is a possibility. I can't see into the future but that's a reasonable assumption.
The evidence suggests he is a far more effective player than Andy Carroll but clearly anyone can think what they will up to the point he actually plays for us. And what did the Geordies expect for 25 million. Well who knows but those who are sensible will say on the balance of evidence Chris Woods will have an impact over half a season.