Mason Greenwood

[ClaretTony]

Ched Evans, Lee Hughes and the ex-Plymouth (?) keeper returned at other clubs but in this day and age, can anyone realistically see Greenwood pulling another shirt on after this, let alone an MUFC one ?

Evans was found not guilty on appeal. The other two, while behaving appallingly by driving in the state they were in, didn’t assault anyone.

[KRBFC]

Completely stupid to mention Ched Evans, proves in this country you are assumed guilty regardless of the full trial outcome. Some people just believe everything they read in a newspaper.

[PeterWilton]

By wild speculation I’m talking about accusations against her Dad, some victim shaming, people questioning the alleged victims conduct …… that stuff knocks me sick.

Ah. Then i humbly apologise.

[Socrates]

Ah. Then i humbly apologise.

Not at all.

I should have been clearer. My fault.

[Middle-agedClaret]

Steady, lads - civility and maturity breaking out on the board?

[tiger76]

Steady, lads - civility and maturity breaking out on the board?

Not on the transfer thread it's not.

[Burnley Ace]

Yes.

And have any of them ever been dismissive of rape victims? Or thought that they wouldn’t bother making any effort to investigate a rape allegation?

[pureclaret]

according to reccords its not the first time hes had problems with hitting woman , coward at best, **** and so are united for aleged cover up

[TsarBomba]

Domestic Violence, along with Mental Health, are our biggest call generators by far. Nothing else comes close.

I have spent the past two days dealing with nothing but domestic incidents.

Domestic abuse and violence is rife.

I’m well aware that we don’t get it right all the time, with a lot of things, but our response to domestic violence is really good.

The Met, and I imagine all forces, have a positive action policy. Even if the victim doesn’t wish to support a prosecution, if an allegation is made within a domestic incident, then in overwhelming cases the suspect will be arrested, or at the very least the risk mitigated in some form.

We’ll spend days trying to track down informants/victims, even if it’s clear they don’t want to speak to us. Unfortunately, we do get a lot of calls where tit for tat allegations are made, such as during child custody proceedings, where one parent is trying to get one over the other.

The difficulty in domestic cases is getting them to court, and getting convictions. More often than not, domestics are behind closed doors, and it largely boils down to one word against an other. If there are no witnesses, and no injuries, then CPS won’t charge as there’s no realistic prospect of conviction.

Fingers crossed in this instance charges are brought and Greenwood gets convicted.

[AlargeClaret]

I think Greenwood may have had form too , perhaps not the level of the Welsh wing wizard who had the form of a Cheltenham cup winner . Clayton , Captain Marvel and Remi ( just to name a few) could throw a punch . Horrible business and the ultimate cowardice

[Goddy]

Fingers crossed in this instance charges are brought and Greenwood gets convicted.

First up, I am in no way an apologist for anyone who has committed any such crime.

If charges are pressed and Greenwood is found to be guilty then I hope he is sent down for a very long time. Until proof of guilt, though, I hope society - and some on the board here - can suspend judgement.

[pushpinpussy]

The difficulty in domestic cases is getting them to court, and getting convictions. More often than not, domestics are behind closed doors, and it largely boils down to one word against an other. If there are no witnesses, and no injuries, then CPS won’t charge as there’s no realistic prospect of conviction.


That's not correct as well. If someone gives a statement in a domestic related matter IT will not be dropped at all. It will go to court. Also other factors come into it like previous convictions and res gestae etc. Once in the system it will not be dropped even by the crown at court. They will run it unless you challenge everything then eventually they might offer no evidence. Its a long haul

[TsarBomba]

Of course they get dropped, even if a statement is given.

An arrest I made this week for a domestic, with statement from a victim, was NFA’d by CPS.

[pushpinpussy]

Of course they get dropped, even if a statement is given.

An arrest I made this week for a domestic, with statement from a victim, was NFA’d by CPS.

that's absolutely incorrect unless the victim is constantly making false allegations.

[Burnley1989]

[quote=TsarBomba post_id=<a href="tel:1737743">1737743</a> time=<a href="tel:1643645123">1643645123</a> user_id=2603]
Of course they get dropped, even if a statement is given.

An arrest I made this week for a domestic, with statement from a victim, was NFA’d by CPS.

that's absolutely incorrect unless the victim is constantly making false allegations.
[/quote]

This police officers generally know what they’re talking about mate
Might be best to agree to disagree

[wilks_bfc]

Who to believe, Tsar or PPP

[Bosscat]

Who to believe, Tsar or PPP

I would prefer to believe a serving Police officer instead of someone who is a serial bull****ter who lost all credibility over Malagagate

[PeterWilton]

First up, I am in no way an apologist for anyone who has committed any such crime.

If charges are pressed and Greenwood is found to be guilty then I hope he is sent down for a very long time. Until proof of guilt, though, I hope society - and some on the board here - can suspend judgement.

I think it's perfectly OK to think someone is a rapist based on evidence even if that evidence isn't enough to send them to prison.

[Lowbankclaret]

Just got worse for him, further arrested on sexual assault and threats to kill.

Be dropped like a stone by everyone now I would suggest.

Police must have found further evidence.

[Milltown1882]

Just got worse for him, further arrested on sexual assault and threats to kill.

Be dropped like a stone by everyone now I would suggest.

Police must have found further evidence.

Wow. That’s horrendous.

[bfcjg]

It does appear that at long last religion fame and wealth doesn't protect the likes of Greenwood, Andrew exprince,
various religious ministers etc. Ok innocent until proven guilty but the wheels of justice are at last speeding up.

[Dy1geo]

I think it's perfectly OK to think someone is a rapist based on evidence even if that evidence isn't enough to send them to prison.

Totally agree, David Goodwillie whose signing for Raith has caused Val Macdermid to withdraw her sponsorship and rip up her season ticket was ruled to be a rapist in a civil trial but didn’t face a criminal trial after prosecutors said there was not enough evidence.

[LeadBelly]

Just got worse for him, further arrested on sexual assault and threats to kill.

Be dropped like a stone by everyone now I would suggest.

Police must have found further evidence.

Presumably they've now had some time to inspect the contents of various mobiles and computers.

[Lowbankclaret]

Presumably they've now had some time to inspect the contents of various mobiles and computers.

Probably, I did wonder why they had asked for extra time to question him, now we know why.

[Shaggy]

Let’s be honest The little creep just looks like a total scheme dickhead. Hope he gets some unwanted sexual activity of his own in prison.

[Murger]

He's finished. United will sack him and his sponsors will drop him like a shot.

[ClaretFelix]

I'd hazard a guess that if they may be pressing for a charge of threats to kill as well as the other serious offences in the eventual decision, so it could lead to grounds for a remand into custody

[arise_sir_charge]

Evans was found not guilty on appeal. The other two, while behaving appallingly by driving in the state they were in, didn’t assault anyone.

No but they did kill people.

[Milltown1882]

I'd hazard a guess that if they may be pressing for a charge of threats to kill as well as the other serious offences in the eventual decision, so it could lead to grounds for a remand into custody

Does that mean he would stay in till the case?

[ClaretFelix]

Does that mean he would stay in till the case?

Quite possibly, depending on the strengths of the case, and how quick they can get it to court.
However, as has been seen with Mendy, people can't always be kept in indefinitely until trial, unless there are mitigating factors, such as threats of violence.

As yet he hasn't been charged and as ever, despite what we've seen and heard, he is an innocent man until tried by a jury of his peers, however frustrating that may sometimes be!

[gawthorpe_view]

Just got worse for him, further arrested on sexual assault and threats to kill.

Be dropped like a stone by everyone now I would suggest.

Police must have found further evidence.

Or a second complainant.

[wilks_bfc]

He's finished. United will sack him and his sponsors will drop him like a shot.

Nike already have

[Lowbankclaret]

Or a second complainant.

Also true!

[Lowbankclaret]

Nike already have

Have they not suspended him rather than dropping him completely. I fully support the innocent till proven guilty. However if he is charged, Nike might just cut all ties.
He has been removed from FIFA22 apparently.

[pushpinpussy]

I'd hazard a guess that if they may be pressing for a charge of threats to kill as well as the other serious offences in the eventual decision, so it could lead to grounds for a remand into custody

you don't get remanded into custody on those grounds. check the bail out act before you post stupid comments

[GodIsADeeJay81]

He's finished. United will sack him and his sponsors will drop him like a shot.

He's already been deleted from FIFA 22 by EA in today's update

[NewClaret]

I was withholding judgement but to be arrested on extra charges seems very damning indeed. A real waste of talent but deserves what he gets now.

[ClaretFelix]

you don't get remanded into custody on those grounds. check the bail out act before you post stupid comments

Don't worry I've checked them out once or twice over the last 18 years

[pushpinpussy]

I was withholding judgement but to be arrested on extra charges seems very damning indeed. A real waste of talent but deserves what he gets now.

you don't get arrested on extra charges. they are allegations that the police want to talk to you about. not charges. that is a massive difference

[Lowbankclaret]

you don't get arrested on extra charges. they are allegations that the police want to talk to you about. not charges. that is a massive difference

Newclaret might have used wrong terminology.
Might be better you explain that in nice terms.
You seem to be getting hot and bothered on this thread.

Some people on here probably have not been arrested, or be a police officer or a duty solicitor. Cut us a little slack please.

Thank you.

[Jakubclaret]

Out on bail.

[ClaretDiver]

Out on bail.

Don’t the only have so long to keep him until they have to either bail him or charge him…it could be that they are potentially looking at further charges….didn’t that happen to Mendy?

[Jakubclaret]

Don’t the only have so long to keep him until they have to either bail him or charge him…it could be that they are potentially looking at further charges….didn’t that happen to Mendy?

I agree, you can only keep people in for so long after extensions run out, I’m not sure about further charges I think he’s bang to rights or at least should be the evidence I’ve heard about seems quite compelling, I’m not sure on the mendy case that 1 passed me by.

[Lowbankclaret]

I agree, you can only keep people in for so long after extensions run out, I’m not sure about further charges I think he’s bang to rights or at least should be the evidence I’ve heard about seems quite compelling, I’m not sure on the mendy case that 1 passed me by.

Mendy is in court today on several charges of rape. It’s on most online newspapers today.

[Jakubclaret]

Mendy is in court today on several charges of rape. It’s on most online newspapers today.

I’ve heard about it & I know what’s he done that’s about the size of it, he said this & she said that, I’ve not taken any interest in, I don’t really involve myself in celeb scandal stories.

[Lowbankclaret]

I’ve heard about it & I know what’s he done that’s about the size of it, he said this & she said that, I’ve not taken any interest in, I don’t really involve myself in celeb scandal stories.

Cannot say I have taken a great interest in it either, I read the headline about an hour ago.

[pushpinpussy]

This is how it works. the police have put their allegations to him. They now have to make a decision. Charge, bail, RUI or NFA. they have bailed him. These days there is 28 day limit on pre-charge bail. The Police are still allowed to apply for extensions to the 28-day pre-charge bail time limit if they feel the case is significantly complicated. They obviously have further enquires to make and have not enough time to do them whilst he is in custody. As a man of good character he will be bailed with onerous conditions. when he answers his bail in 28 days the police will then need to make another decision. re bail, charge, RUI, NFA or even re interview. Hope that helps

[Jakubclaret]

This is how it works. the police have put their allegations to him. They now have to make a decision. Charge, bail, RUI or NFA. they have bailed him. These days there is 28 day limit on pre-charge bail. The Police are still allowed to apply for extensions to the 28-day pre-charge bail time limit if they feel the case is significantly complicated. They obviously have further enquires to make and have not enough time to do them whilst he is in custody. As a man of good character he will be bailed with onerous conditions. when he answers his bail in 28 days the police will then need to make another decision. re bail, charge, RUI, NFA or even re interview. Hope that helps

Will this definitely go to crown? I’ve heard the more serious offences do.

[Lowbankclaret]

This is how it works. the police have put their allegations to him. They now have to make a decision. Charge, bail, RUI or NFA. they have bailed him. These days there is 28 day limit on pre-charge bail. The Police are still allowed to apply for extensions to the 28-day pre-charge bail time limit if they feel the case is significantly complicated. They obviously have further enquires to make and have not enough time to do them whilst he is in custody. As a man of good character he will be bailed with onerous conditions. when he answers his bail in 28 days the police will then need to make another decision. re bail, charge, RUI, NFA or even re interview. Hope that helps

It’s probably obvious, but it escapes me at the moment. What is RUI?

[claretonthecoast1882]

It’s probably obvious, but it escapes me at the moment. What is RUI?

Release under investigation ?