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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:29 pm

Seems he has been re arrested for breaching bail terms. The terms he has broke...seeing his ex gf who reported him, and she was the one who has gone back to him.

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:36 pm

Where do I say it's her fault? This is a football forum is it not, and this is relevant to football is it not

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by distortiondave » Sat Oct 15, 2022 1:08 pm

Are you arguing with yourself?

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by claretblue » Sat Oct 15, 2022 1:27 pm

distortiondave wrote:
Sat Oct 15, 2022 1:08 pm
Are you arguing with yourself?
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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Sat Oct 15, 2022 1:40 pm

distortiondave wrote:
Sat Oct 15, 2022 1:08 pm
Are you arguing with yourself?
Seems so ha ha, should have quoted their reply.

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by tiger76 » Sat Oct 15, 2022 1:42 pm

This lad really doesn't help himself does he whatever the reasons he's daft to breach bail conditions.

Pity he seems to be going off the rails as there is a talented player in there when he focuses on his footy.

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by Mrpotatohead » Sat Oct 15, 2022 1:55 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:
Sat Oct 15, 2022 1:40 pm
Seems so ha ha, should have quoted their reply.
I saw the reply Cleveleys, you're not going mad!

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Sat Oct 15, 2022 2:05 pm

Mrpotatohead wrote:
Sat Oct 15, 2022 1:55 pm
I saw the reply Cleveleys, you're not going mad!
Thanks Potato Head

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by Carwin261 » Sat Oct 15, 2022 2:09 pm

Give me strength.

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by IanMcL » Sat Oct 15, 2022 2:12 pm

Maybe the penny has dropped that she is totally untrustworthy.

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by dansch » Sat Oct 15, 2022 2:18 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Sat Oct 15, 2022 2:12 pm
Maybe the penny has dropped that she is totally untrustworthy.
What you basing that on?

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Oct 15, 2022 4:32 pm

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by Milltown1882 » Sat Oct 15, 2022 4:35 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Oct 15, 2022 4:32 pm
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Grim. Let justice play out now without speculating.

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by IanMcL » Sat Oct 15, 2022 7:30 pm

dansch wrote:
Sat Oct 15, 2022 2:18 pm
What you basing that on?
An earlier post.

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Sat Oct 15, 2022 7:37 pm

Mad situation, she has been living with him last few months. The whole thing is just wrong. Her dad's statement at the beginning was shocking. Hopefully justice is served, whatever that be

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by TsarBomba » Sat Oct 15, 2022 9:41 pm

Getting CPS to charge for controlling and coercive behaviour isn’t that common.

The threshold is high.

To charge someone for such an offence, it is sustained behaviour over a prolonged period with complete control over everything from finances, to what someone can and can’t wear, who they can go out with and where, and who they speak to me. There’ll likely need to be evidence in terms of bank statements, phone records, messages etc.

Appreciate Greenwood hasn’t been convicted yet, but just getting charged for this tells you all you need to know about him.

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Oct 15, 2022 9:46 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Sat Oct 15, 2022 4:35 pm
Grim. Let justice play out now without speculating.
This messageboard? :P
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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by distortiondave » Sat Oct 15, 2022 9:46 pm

Apologies if this is a silly question, but has Greenwood just now been charged with what happened earlier in the year, or is the attempted rape and assault charge issued today brand new?

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by 4midable » Sat Oct 15, 2022 9:49 pm

I still think he will be back playing before you know it. Whether its at united or not i dont know

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Oct 15, 2022 9:54 pm

distortiondave wrote:
Sat Oct 15, 2022 9:46 pm
Apologies if this is a silly question, but has Greenwood just now been charged with what happened earlier in the year, or is the attempted rape and assault charge issued today brand new?
I think he’d only been arrested on suspicion previously.

This may be the first time he’s been charged.

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Oct 17, 2022 3:32 pm

He's been refused bail

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by conyoviejo » Mon Oct 17, 2022 3:38 pm

"Do not pass Go and do not collect £200"
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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by jen1066 » Mon Oct 17, 2022 3:42 pm

Crazy he's still pocketing £75k a month. I wonder if he is found guilty, whether he'd need to pay that back.

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Oct 17, 2022 3:44 pm

Nah, most likely just have his contract terminated.

Wonder if Utd will hold his registration and then try to reclaim money like Chelsea did with Mutu after his failed drugs test.

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by tarkys_ears » Mon Oct 17, 2022 3:45 pm

Another "coercion" case .. hopefully the CPS can find someone with a brain to prosecute this time?

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by Milltown1882 » Mon Oct 17, 2022 6:47 pm

jen1066 wrote:
Mon Oct 17, 2022 3:42 pm
Crazy he's still pocketing £75k a month. I wonder if he is found guilty, whether he'd need to pay that back.
£75k a week.

The money him and Mendy must’ve made during both processes is obscene.

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by jen1066 » Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:20 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Mon Oct 17, 2022 6:47 pm
£75k a week.

The money him and Mendy must’ve made during both processes is obscene.
Sorry yes of course a week. He'll have a decent tuck shop if he is found guilty.

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by timshorts » Mon Oct 17, 2022 9:17 pm

4midable wrote:
Sat Oct 15, 2022 9:49 pm
I still think he will be back playing before you know it. Whether its at united or not i dont know
That sounds unlikely if convicted. Ched Evans got a huge amount of stick when he came back from all and sundry and the two cases were markedly different. Evans conviction always looked suspect, and that was how it was proved.
This one is gross. That recording that was on here for a little while, if admissible (and I'm not sure whether that is the case or not) is likely to be pretty convincing - both to a jury and to a future employer that the guy is at best avoided like the plague.

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by 4midable » Mon Oct 17, 2022 9:23 pm

Uniteds lawyers will be all over this to avoid bringing the club into disrepute too i guess

He could walk free. He might not.

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by Lowbankclaret » Mon Oct 17, 2022 9:31 pm

4midable wrote:
Mon Oct 17, 2022 9:23 pm
Uniteds lawyers will be all over this to avoid bringing the club into disrepute too i guess

He could walk free. He might not.
United lawyers wil be no where near this from his perspective.

They will however be thinking of kicking him into the long grass, as in sacked.

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by fatboy47 » Mon Oct 17, 2022 9:43 pm

TsarBomba wrote:
Sat Oct 15, 2022 9:41 pm
Getting CPS to charge for controlling and coercive behaviour isn’t that common.

The threshold is high.

To charge someone for such an offence, it is sustained behaviour over a prolonged period with complete control over everything from finances, to what someone can and can’t wear, who they can go out with and where.

Very much so.

I've worked with victims of this type of behaviour and there's still massive resistance to prosecution throughout the police/cps. Most of the cases I've known have been supported by friendship networks, and various agencies other than the police.

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by welsbyswife » Mon Oct 17, 2022 9:54 pm

Is it just me who thought that arriving for your court hearing in a Nike hoodie with matching jogging bottoms isn't the best look? Maybe I'm just old fashioned.
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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by basil6345789 » Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:49 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:
Mon Oct 17, 2022 3:45 pm
Another "coercion" case .. hopefully the CPS can find someone with a brain to prosecute this time?
It's usually the police who struggle with evidence, not CPS.

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by Milltown1882 » Tue Oct 18, 2022 12:18 am

welsbyswife wrote:
Mon Oct 17, 2022 9:54 pm
Is it just me who thought that arriving for your court hearing in a Nike hoodie with matching jogging bottoms isn't the best look? Maybe I'm just old fashioned.
He’s been in custody since Saturday, I doubt they let him go home to get changed.
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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by Taffy on the wing » Tue Oct 18, 2022 4:02 am

He's clearly not "the brightest candle on the cake"

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by pushpinpussy » Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:01 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Mon Oct 17, 2022 3:32 pm
He's been refused bail
No doubt his legal team will have a JIC in midweek and get him bail then. MG was unfortunate enough to be in front of the toughest DJ in the North West. He should be out on bail by Wednesday or Thursday with even more onerous conditions

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by bobinho » Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:17 am

And there he goes…

He’ll never see a cell again.

Hey PPP, how can we have tough judges and other types? Surely there are criteria to meet before decisions are made? I would’ve thought the guidelines are straightforward to follow.

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by pushpinpussy » Wed Oct 19, 2022 4:24 pm

Judges do have guidelines to follow but the system for sentencing is immensely complicated so that’s why there are inconsistencies. However, it comes down to the same basic principles - harm and culpability, for example, how serious the offence is by measuring the harm done and the culpability of the offender. However, there are a great deal of aggravating and mitigating factors that also need to be taken into account.
This will then set out the range of any sentence. Depending on the category of seriousness, a sentence could range from an absolute/ conditional discharge up to a custodial sentence.

The Judge therefore makes that determination after hearing from both Prosecutor and Defence.

Regarding bail applications you always find that some DJ’s don’t take any crap and if you have breached your bail, they look at it as “you have had your chance” and remand you. Whilst other Judges are willing to listen to the mitigating reasons behind the breach and are more understanding.

If remanded at the Mags Court, you are allowed to make a Judge in Chambers Bail Application at the Crown Court. The Defence then get time to strengthen their application as they now understand the full reasons behind the Crowns opposition to bail. But the same could be said of the Crowns position as they will get a written application from the defence setting out their position now. If you then go in front of a Judge who is more understanding of the facts, then you have a very good chance of getting them out as in Greenwood's case.
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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by claptrappers_union » Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:38 am

Man Utd forward Mason Greenwood had faced allegations of attempted rape, controlling and coercive behaviour and assault; CPS said: "A combination of the withdrawal of key witnesses and new material that came to light meant there was no longer a realistic prospect of conviction."

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by Boss Hogg » Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:16 pm

I saw the video. He’s repulsive. If I was a female Man Utd fan I’d be disgusted if he ever wore the shirt again.

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by Falcon » Fri Feb 03, 2023 1:44 pm

No chance United will play him, imagine the backlash.

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by Burnley Ace » Fri Feb 03, 2023 2:41 pm

TsarBomba wrote:
Sat Oct 15, 2022 9:41 pm
Getting CPS to charge for controlling and coercive behaviour isn’t that common.

The threshold is high.

To charge someone for such an offence, it is sustained behaviour over a prolonged period with complete control over everything from finances, to what someone can and can’t wear, who they can go out with and where, and who they speak to me. There’ll likely need to be evidence in terms of bank statements, phone records, messages etc.

Appreciate Greenwood hasn’t been convicted yet, but just getting charged for this tells you all you need to know about him.
So now the charges have been dropped, what does that say?

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by Woodleyclaret » Fri Feb 03, 2023 3:00 pm

Now the cps should charge the original complainant with wasting police time and resources

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by evensteadiereddie » Fri Feb 03, 2023 3:04 pm

Why, they've nowt better to do.

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by NRC » Fri Feb 03, 2023 3:59 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 3:00 pm
Now the cps should charge the original complainant with wasting police time and resources
interesting thought, WC. I suspect they will not on the basis of protecting the concept of (alleged) victim protection and safe-space concepts in encouraging women to come forward in the first place. They certainly will weigh heavily the potential of regressing that by charging for wasting police time

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by pushpinpussy » Fri Feb 03, 2023 4:01 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 3:00 pm
Now the cps should charge the original complainant with wasting police time and resources
A decision to end a case due to a lack of evidence does not mean that an allegation is false. It means that the case does not meet the evidential test which is required to put an allegation before a jury.
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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by basil6345789 » Fri Feb 03, 2023 4:21 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 4:01 pm
A decision to end a case due to a lack of evidence does not mean that an allegation is false. It means that the case does not meet the evidential test which is required to put an allegation before a jury.
CPS stuffed without her giving evidence

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by Colburn_Claret » Fri Feb 03, 2023 4:23 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 4:01 pm
A decision to end a case due to a lack of evidence does not mean that an allegation is false. It means that the case does not meet the evidential test which is required to put an allegation before a jury.
Didn't I read somewhere that the Police are leaving the case open. It isn't as if he's been exonerated. From his point of view, that's the sword of Damaclese hanging over his head. I can't see how Utd can justify playing him in the circumstances.

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by evensteadiereddie » Fri Feb 03, 2023 4:25 pm

If there's not evidence now, it kind of suggests there never will be.

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Re: Mason Greenwood

Post by CFS » Fri Feb 03, 2023 4:31 pm

Ronaldo had the same story about him and played.
Partey is still playing even though he is currently being accused of the same thing.
The list is long with his talent they will slide him in next season without anyone noticing.

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