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Barrowford Primary School....

Post by ClaretDiver » Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:42 pm

So I have just read that Barrowford Primary School have banned meat from the canteen and kids lunchboxes.....as I don't live in the area now...is this true??

If so, is this not taking this too far.....

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Re: Barrowford Primary School....

Post by Billy Balfour » Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:50 pm

If this is true, then it is too far. They shouldn't be interfering with what parents wish to feed their children.

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Post by ALP » Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:52 pm

Yes, stating environmental issues; it's causing quite a stir in the village and beyond; even being mentioned in the nationals and TV.

Some are saying it's wrong as this may be the only hot meal that kids get. The Head isn't without controversial issues in the past either.

It's quite a hotbed of controversy within the local community, and also within farming too; albeit fish is still on the menu!!

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Re: Barrowford Primary School....

Post by claptrappers_union » Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:53 pm

From The Mirror

"Headteacher Rachel Tomlinson said the school switched to vegetarian meals to educate children about the environmental impact of eating meat".

So it doesn't sound like a long term thing to me, though the article doesn't state how long the 'ban' is for.

"Mum Zoe Douglas described it as “a joke” and said she is now looking to move her daughter Amelia to a different school."

Sounds a bit OTT...

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Post by ALP » Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:58 pm

This is an interesting watch, most slaughter houses shut their gates, but this guy actually discusses the meat production inside a slaughter house with the owners who are very transparent. Intensive farming is an issue, and meat production needs to be moved to a regenerative style, but could people afford it is the bigger question?

The video is very informative though, and a lot centres on animal welfare.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4-XPYlE5lE

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Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:59 pm

Well, nothing wrong with a healthy, hot school meal that is vegetarian

But I guess it should really depend on parental choice, though I do applaud the reasoning behind it (and this is from a meat eater)

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Post by Lowbankclaret » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:01 pm

Yes it’s true, think they intend to carry on indefinitely, it’s been that way for about a year now.
A teacher did say she was glad to debate it with anyone, I challenged her on Madagascar rain forests being destroyed to grow Palm oil which is now in just about everything we buy. I asked are they teaching the kids about this destruction to further growing products to feed vegetarians .
No surprise it got no answer.
Rain forests are being destroyed to grow Palm oil way more than for rear meat, but that does not fit with the woke agenda so they will not recognise it.
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Post by claret2018 » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:03 pm

Literally helping to save humanity = woke agenda lol
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Re: Barrowford Primary School....

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:08 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:01 pm
Yes it’s true, think they intend to carry on indefinitely, it’s been that way for about a year now.
A teacher did say she was glad to debate it with anyone, I challenged her on Madagascar rain forests being destroyed to grow Palm oil which is now in just about everything we buy. I asked are they teaching the kids about this destruction to further growing products to feed vegetarians .
No surprise it got no answer.
Rain forests are being destroyed to grow Palm oil way more than for rear meat, but that does not fit with the woke agenda so they will not recognise it.
I mean, that is a sensational bit of whataboutery

I dunno about you, but we've probably cut in half our meat consumption over the past few years, because of the health risks, the environmental damage and the cost

I think its a really good idea to promote healthy lifestyles to children, and I see absolutely nothing wrong with this at all, but it would have to be with parental consent

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Post by Burnley1989 » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:16 pm

I’d not be happy I must admit, I’d not move schools but I do think if she wants to educate them, and she does have a point on some things, she really needs to educate herself also.
Her job is not to make herself centre of attention, that’s all it is

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Re: Barrowford Primary School....

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:20 pm

Oh, and I think its completely bonkers to change schools for a reason like that as well

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Post by claretandy » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:21 pm

No good for my lad, all he'll eat is steak, gammon and chicken 😂😂

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Post by Milltown1882 » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:21 pm

School will be the only place some children in these classes get any form of meat and nutrition like that. I think it’s a bizarre decision.
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Re: Barrowford Primary School....

Post by NewClaret » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:27 pm

To clarify, is this just a change in school meals or is meat banned in lunchboxes?

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Post by Milltown1882 » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:27 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:27 pm
To clarify, is this just a change in school meals or is meat banned in lunchboxes?
They’re advising people to not have meat in lunchboxes

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Post by ALP » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:28 pm

She comes over as a very alternative type of person, a lot of teachers left when she took over as head of the school. One of the previous controversial things that made headlines was that there are 'no naughty children'. There was no disciplinary policy within school, albeit I am not sure whether that has changed now.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ating.html

I think Lancasterclaret is right, we need to be aware and cut our meat consumption, and as stated it should be by parental consent, not the head teachers views only.

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Re: Barrowford Primary School....

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:29 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:21 pm
School will be the only place some children in these classes get any form of meat and nutrition like that. I think it’s a bizarre decision.
Important to state here that you can get a balanced diet and a healthy one without meat, and the idea that you can't really does need combating
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Post by PadihamThickNeck » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:32 pm

No more Pepperami’s then ? What a joke it’s a free world you can eat what you want.

She’s always on Radio Lancashire and in news articles the headteacher Rachel Tomlinson. Wants it all about her by the sounds of things.

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Post by Lowbankclaret » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:33 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:08 pm
I mean, that is a sensational bit of whataboutery

I dunno about you, but we've probably cut in half our meat consumption over the past few years, because of the health risks, the environmental damage and the cost

I think its a really good idea to promote healthy lifestyles to children, and I see absolutely nothing wrong with this at all, but it would have to be with parental consent
Agreed we have cut meat consumption, but it’s not helping the environment one bit, that’s the point. It’s being destroyed to grow products for vegetarians namely Palm oil.

Please research it and understand what’s happening in the world.

I don’t really care what people eat, it’s their choice, but to claim it’s saving the environment is delusional.
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Post by ALP » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:35 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:29 pm
Important to state here that you can get a balanced diet and a healthy one without meat, and the idea that you can't really does need combating
Spot on, both my Daughters are veggie, and have been for over 30 years, they are healthy human beings and they chose this, me and MrsP supported them in this choice following discussions about nutrition. My Granddaughter who is coming up to 12 has now been veggie for about 3 years, however her twin Brother eats meat, and strangely loves Sushi, which was a shock to us!!

It's about choice, both parental and the children.

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Re: Barrowford Primary School....

Post by NewClaret » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:36 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:27 pm
They’re advising people to not have meat in lunchboxes
Fair enough. For those on school meals out of choice, who don’t like the policy, can change to packed lunches and ignore the advice. It’s those without the choice that I feel sorry for, but I suppose you have to respect that the head chooses the menu if you’re not paying.

I googled her and she has pink hair and pronouns, which tells me all I need to know.
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Post by Cirrus_Minor » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:43 pm

I went to Barrowford county primary school a very long time ago. I attended school dinner when I was about 5 year old. I remember we was all told to be quiet and stop talking by a teacher and said something along the lines ‘or you’ll be shot’. I was terrified that he was actually going shoot us. Sounds like some attitudes have changed.

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Post by Billy Balfour » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:43 pm

Best way to save the environment? Fewer humans, but this isn't going to happen when you see the next 20-year population growth projections for the developing world.

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Post by Lowbankclaret » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:44 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:29 pm
Important to state here that you can get a balanced diet and a healthy one without meat, and the idea that you can't really does need combating
So here is where I have a real issue.

If a child is unlucky like myself and has nut allergies and has Birch allergy syndrome. What do you suggest feeding them??

It’s never going to be a balanced diet.
No nuts or seeds.
Just about all fruit is out. Cherries, pears, apples , peaches, berries etc.
Uncooked tomatoes and peas.

A policy that rules out meat could be really unfair on some kids.

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:47 pm

At first I was a little annoyed.

Then I tried to remember any actual meat I had on the menu at junior school.
Maybe ham sandwiches?

They don't have proper meat do they?

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Re: Barrowford Primary School....

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:48 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:33 pm
Agreed we have cut meat consumption, but it’s not helping the environment one bit, that’s the point. It’s being destroyed to grow products for vegetarians namely Palm oil.

Please research it and understand what’s happening in the world.

I don’t really care what people eat, it’s their choice, but to claim it’s saving the environment is delusional.
Eh?

Eating less meat is good for the environment

Using less palm oil is good for the environment

Both can be true
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Post by chekhov » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:50 pm

Folk up in arms when a footballer kicks a cat. Most of these people will no doubt be meat eaters, thus condoning untold cruelty to millions of factory farmed animals.
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Post by TonbridgeClaret » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:51 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:59 pm
Well, nothing wrong with a healthy, hot school meal that is vegetarian

But I guess it should really depend on parental choice, though I do applaud the reasoning behind it (and this is from a meat eater)
Well said Lancaster. I agree with everything you're said.
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Post by claret3561 » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:53 pm

Before you know it there will be kids at the school gates dealing ham and pork 😀😀😀

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Post by LeadBelly » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:56 pm

ALP wrote:
Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:35 pm
Spot on, both my Daughters are veggie, and have been for over 30 years, they are healthy human beings and they chose this, me and MrsP supported them in this choice following discussions about nutrition. My Granddaughter who is coming up to 12 has now been veggie for about 3 years, however her twin Brother eats meat, and strangely loves Sushi, which was a shock to us!!

It's about choice, both parental and the children.
Agreed. My kids (after a school trip to a farm) decided to become vegetarian at ages 6 and 8. My son is nearly 40 now and is still a veggie, my daughter, a few years younger, decided about 10 years ago that she'd start to partake of seafood but still no other meat. Hasn't done their health/mental capacity any harm whatsoever.
I eat a lot of fruit/veg/pulses but some meat occasionally. It's not necessary to eat meat for good health but I dont consider it right to dictate to other people what food they can/cant eat or drink. (Offering advice is fine).
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Post by claretandy » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:59 pm

No head teacher should be forcing their personal views onto the children, it's down to personal choice.
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Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:59 pm

It should be up to the parents & the lady’s got no right to be interfering in what the kids eat, her own personal belief's shouldn’t be forced on to other peoples, she needs to keep her nose out & stop meddling in things which are none of her business & don’t concern her. I’m a strict vegetarian but If people want to eat meat it’s none of my business.
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Re: Barrowford Primary School....

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:04 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:44 pm
So here is where I have a real issue.

If a child is unlucky like myself and has nut allergies and has Birch allergy syndrome. What do you suggest feeding them??

It’s never going to be a balanced diet.
No nuts or seeds.
Just about all fruit is out. Cherries, pears, apples , peaches, berries etc.
Uncooked tomatoes and peas.

A policy that rules out meat could be really unfair on some kids.
Have you turned into Jakub/KBFC etc?

If you are allergic to all vegetarian options, then of course you don't eat them!

But the fundamental point remains, it is perfectly ok to have a perfectly good balanced diet involving meat, veg, dairy and fish, and its perfectly ok to eat a vegetarian one, or a vegan one etc

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Post by bfcjg » Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:14 pm

At my school you eat the slop and then spent the afternoon guessing what the meat was.

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Post by Cardclaret » Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:16 pm

Wonder what the reaction would be if the decision was reversed ie meat mandatory at every lunchtime. Even if you're a veggie.

Personally I eat too much meat and strive to eat less, but not sure if it's right to force this on people.

On the environmental issue it's so complex it's difficult to judge, too much greenwashing about. I remember when emails said "don't print me and save a tree", now everything is going from plastic to paper based packaging. What about the trees!!
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Post by Damo » Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:27 pm

Being able to eat a healthy diet without meat, doesn't give this person the right to ban children from eating it for their lunch.
The head teacher seems like the sort of person who should be nowhere near a position of authority over a large group of children
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Post by Lowbankclaret » Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:28 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:48 pm
Eh?

Eating less meat is good for the environment

Using less palm oil is good for the environment

Both can be true
There is a massive increase in use of palm oil, which is leading to deforestation.

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Post by Boss Hogg » Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:33 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:29 pm
Important to state here that you can get a balanced diet and a healthy one without meat, and the idea that you can't really does need combating
Don’t think anyone is saying you can’t. You can also get a good balanced diet with a bit of everything. Too many people do eat too much meat and no harm in reducing consumption. It’s about choice though. This teacher should not be trying to impose her views on children. This isn’t about education its about her.

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Post by Lowbankclaret » Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:40 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:04 pm
Have you turned into Jakub/KBFC etc?

If you are allergic to all vegetarian options, then of course you don't eat them!

But the fundamental point remains, it is perfectly ok to have a perfectly good balanced diet involving meat, veg, dairy and fish, and its perfectly ok to eat a vegetarian one, or a vegan one etc
But if the option has been taken away from you, what do you eat. The school has removed your options for anything meat.

And to add to my food issues , I became type 2 diabetic.

So just a simple example, a bowl of cornflakes is going to be around 50grams of carbs. That’s going to raise my blood sugars by 7 to 10 mmol/L. Which will take me me 24 hours to get back to normal levels. A full English will raise it by 1 .

You cannot and should not be a blanket imposition of rules.

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Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:54 pm

If it was up the road in Nelson they’d be up in arms if they tried to stop halal.

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Post by ALP » Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:00 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:54 pm
If it was up the road in Nelson they’d be up in arms if they tried to stop halal.
Barrowford Primary is actually a very diverse school, and has a mixed community, including Asians from Nelson.
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Post by FeedTheArf » Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:30 pm

We recently looked round the school for our son and it was the head that showed us around. As others have said, very alternative views - no punishment, no rewards, all the classrooms had plain white walls so as not to over-stimulate them.

She does come across as a bit bonkers initially, but had decent arguments to backup her reasoning, it just wasn’t for us.
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Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 15, 2022 10:25 pm

Again, for what seems like the fifth? Sixth? time, these decisions should not be made without parental support

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Post by ALP » Tue Feb 15, 2022 10:52 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Tue Feb 15, 2022 10:25 pm
Again, for what seems like the fifth? Sixth? time, these decisions should not be made without parental support
100% right, there should be informed choice at every level. Much like the vaccination programme, I want people to have it having dealt with so much of it whilst I worked in the NHS, but each person has their own right to make their decisions, and I respect that.

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Post by Lowbankclaret » Tue Feb 15, 2022 10:56 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Tue Feb 15, 2022 10:25 pm
Again, for what seems like the fifth? Sixth? time, these decisions should not be made without parental support
As much as you protest this, it didn’t happen.

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Post by ALP » Tue Feb 15, 2022 11:00 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Tue Feb 15, 2022 10:56 pm
As much as you protest this, it didn’t happen.
I reckon Lancaster knows this and his argument is correct in so much as 'it should be'.

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Post by Lowbankclaret » Tue Feb 15, 2022 11:01 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:04 pm
Have you turned into Jakub/KBFC etc?

If you are allergic to all vegetarian options, then of course you don't eat them!

But the fundamental point remains, it is perfectly ok to have a perfectly good balanced diet involving meat, veg, dairy and fish, and its perfectly ok to eat a vegetarian one, or a vegan one etc
Feel free to google my meds, sounds like you don’t believe me,
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Post by Lowbankclaret » Tue Feb 15, 2022 11:22 pm

And just want to point out if I tell an airline about my allergies, nothing can be served on that flight I am allergic to.
Schools should have to follow the same to protect me.

Not much left for the kids to eat.

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Re: Barrowford Primary School....

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Tue Feb 15, 2022 11:39 pm

Damo wrote:
Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:27 pm
Being able to eat a healthy diet without meat, doesn't give this person the right to ban children from eating it for their lunch.
The head teacher seems like the sort of person who should be nowhere near a position of authority over a large group of children
Doesn’t sound like anyone is banned, just that it’s not being served as a school lunch

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Re: Barrowford Primary School....

Post by Lowbankclaret » Tue Feb 15, 2022 11:43 pm

Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Tue Feb 15, 2022 11:39 pm
Doesn’t sound like anyone is banned, just that it’s not being served as a school lunch
Not sure you read it, you cannot take meat products in your school lunch box.

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