Russia Invades

[Vintage Claret]

The thought of Putin putting his "nuclear deterrent" forces on high alert is very worrying as surely no leader of sound mind could truly believe NATO would launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike against Russia (or any country for that matter)

To paraphrase a line from a song by Sting, I hope the Russians love their children too..

[JarrowClaret]

I am right and I agree he probably is that crazy but he will have to go through a procedure similar to what the US president would to launch something even if he is crazy. Cumbria was pretty clear on the maps I saw just so you know.

Too answer your question Nuclear war doesn’t hugely scare me for myself at least no partly because I don’t think it will come to that but also I spent half my life preparing for that eventuality. It does however scare me for my kids I am petrified that they won’t live the full life that they deserve but I can’t control that sadly let’s just see what happens.

[Spijed]

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[Newcastleclaret93]

I am right and I agree he probably is that crazy but he will have to go through a procedure similar to what the US president would to launch something even if he is crazy. Cumbria was pretty clear on the maps I saw just so you know.

Too answer your question Nuclear war doesn’t hugely scare me for myself at least no partly because I don’t think it will come to that but also I spent half my life preparing for that eventuality. It does however scare me for my kids I am petrified that they won’t live the full life that they deserve but I can’t control that sadly let’s just see what happens.

Do you have a link to the maps?

[JarrowClaret]

Do you have a link to the maps?

No to be honest my Girlfriend was looking at it I suspect she just googled it, so probably not accurate anyway but there will be a preferred target list as we have.

[Vegas Claret]

This is getting like a bad game of poker

and NATO are playing catch-up. Ukraine should have been signed into NATO the day the Russian troops started their build up

[elwaclaret]

A military historian friend of mine has just pointed out that the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad is now completely cut off due to Finlands no fly zone… bloody brave of Finland given their history.

[Cubanforever]

and NATO are playing catch-up. Ukraine should have been signed into NATO the day the Russian troops started their build up

I believe we've been pushing for Ukraine in Nato for few years but it's been blocked by other member states...bet they are kicking themselves now

[NewClaret]

You need a transfer window to take your mind off it.

[JarrowClaret]

A military historian friend of mine has just pointed out that the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad is now completely cut off due to Finlands no fly zone… bloody brave of Finland given their history.

Yes a very interesting point they are making a pigs ear of this invasion and it is proving very costly though surely they couldn’t afford another 1 at the same time.

[AlargeClaret]

People really need to chill out , stop sh1tting themselves and ffs keep away from Twitter . It’s just so full of sh1t it defies belief at times like this . Full of “ facebook” generals and “sas” vets . However vile this sh1t show is , Vlad will very shortly achieve one of his main objectives, his invasion is almost “ textbook “ ( despite the obvious bravery of the defenders ) and then perhaps tension can drop a notch

[Lancasterclaret]

Just got to stress this

Either Putin gets some sort of "win" (enough for him to save face) or he gets removed from power

The longer this goes on, the more dangers for all of us, especially if it looks like Putin (and others, the Belarussian bloke for example) might lose

They know they won't survive that, and the danger is that they will do anything to avoid that

[Vegas Claret]

A military historian friend of mine has just pointed out that the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad is now completely cut off due to Finlands no fly zone… bloody brave of Finland given their history.

further proof of a complete misjudgment by Putin - complete underestimation of the worlds disgust of him, this tweet sums it up perfectly

[Lancasterclaret]

And the EU providing aircraft

That will be Russian made Mig-29 and Su-25s from airforces like Poland and Romania

Course, it will depend on whether Ukraine has the pilots or the maintenance crews to use them, but its still absolutely jaw dropping

I just can't believe the past 72 hours to be perfectly honest

[elwaclaret]

I believe we've been pushing for Ukraine in Nato for few years but it's been blocked by other member states...bet they are kicking themselves now

Very much typical of the Wests attempts to curry favour. Neither Russia nor China will ever trust the West. Some of the goings on in the 60’s and 70’s, us turning a blind eye to American lies out of necessity… they euphemistically called it “dis-information” but its the unfinished business China has to Thailand, Laos, Cambodia and of course Vietnam. We were on the wrong side of history on that…

But if Putin is the history buff he pretend to be even in his corrupt mind he must be making sure the Luger is tucked in his desk drawer about now.

[NewClaret]

I get that newclaret. It’s awful, just takes on extra significance and more sensitivity when kids are involved. Of course, it isn’t new to war just extremely sad.

Yep, wasn’t being belligerent. Agreed with your point, just that it’s all terrible.

[Vegas Claret]

jesus
https://twitter.com/air_intel/status/14 ... pA9NBTxE7g

[gandhisflipflop]

Yep, wasn’t being belligerent. Agreed with your point, just that it’s all terrible.

Absolutely NC

[TsarBomba]

Massive explosion in Cherkasy.

Thermobaric.

Big escalation on behalf of Russia.

First time I’ve seen them used so far.

Edit- as posted by Vegas.

[Cubanforever]

Hopefully he gets bumped of soon, there must be people over there with that in mind

[Vegas Claret]

Massive explosion in Cherkasy.

Thermobaric.

Big escalation on behalf of Russia.

First time I’ve seen them used so far.

Edit- as posted by Vegas.

I wondered if that's what it was, at this point I genuinely don't see any way NATO don't get involved and we end up in WW3

[Lancasterclaret]

They used them in Syria, especially against Aleppo

Pretty sure its a terror weapon, its not going to make a huge difference to the military capability of the Ukrainians

But its an escalation, and one that isn't going to help calm things down

[CrosspoolClarets]

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That guy has subsequently withdrawn that tweet and suggested that sadly it isn’t the case.

On the wider issue, general observation, hard to see how either Putin or the West backs down, I expect him to cause a real mess in Kyiv, install a puppet government but face years of insurgency. I expect the West to keep sanctions in place and China to face a dilemma whether to bale them out or not. I don’t think China will, they love the moral high ground and will probably “do a Switzerland”. That will be terrible for Russia economically so we will have huge uncertainty until Russia choose to elect a new President. All the while, China get richer and more powerful. Not a cheery prospect.

[TonbridgeClaret]

And the EU providing aircraft

That will be Russian made Mig-29 and Su-25s from airforces like Poland and Romania

Course, it will depend on whether Ukraine has the pilots or the maintenance crews to use them, but its still absolutely jaw dropping

I just can't believe the past 72 hours to be perfectly honest

Apart from a post earier in this thread, I can't find any corroboration. The EU are certainly providing weapons, but aircraft?

[TsarBomba]

I wondered if that's what it was, at this point I genuinely don't see any way NATO don't get involved and we end up in WW3

The footage is certainly suggestive of that.

Unless a huge arms depo has been hit.

[TsarBomba]

If it is thermobaric, I imagine the Ukrainians will be very quick to try and prove this, and to evidence the escalation.

[JarrowClaret]

People really need to chill out , stop sh1tting themselves and ffs keep away from Twitter . It’s just so full of sh1t it defies belief at times like this . Full of “ facebook” generals and “sas” vets . However vile this sh1t show is , Vlad will very shortly achieve one of his main objectives, his invasion is almost “ textbook “ ( despite the obvious bravery of the defenders ) and then perhaps tension can drop a notch

Alarge I don’t know your military experience but this invasion is as far from textbook from a Russian invasion as you could ever get.

Anyway to add to the thermobaric bomb news the Russian strategic bomber bear net has seemingly gone live.

[Lancasterclaret]

Apart from a post earier in this thread, I can't find any corroboration. The EU are certainly providing weapons, but aircraft?

All over twitter, confirmed by numerous sources from a news conference with EU bloke

It does sound weird though, I wonder if it was a mis translation?

Nope 23.40 minutes in

https://twitter.com/EUSec_Defence/statu ... 3334643715

[Vegas Claret]

The footage is certainly suggestive of that.

Unless a huge arms depo has been hit.

There's an Azot facility in Cherkasy, they produce nitrogen fertilizer.......

[Lancasterclaret]

https://twitter.com/matsbenestad/status ... 4640096256

Norwegian sovereign wealth fund (the largest in the world) pulling out of Russian investments

[elwaclaret]

One of the things not often mentioned in the West is China’s Mao based Communism is VERY DIFFERENT from Leninism. China and Russia have been on the verge of War many times since their revolutions… China is very far from a done deal for Russia.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Alarge I don’t know your military experience but this invasion is as far from textbook from a Russian invasion as you could ever get.

Anyway to add to the thermobaric bomb news the Russian strategic bomber bear net has seemingly gone live.

What is that?

[Vegas Claret]

There's an Azot facility in Cherkasy, they produce nitrogen fertilizer.......

because the internet is far quicker than the media, someone already geolocated it - it was an ammo facility

[TsarBomba]

There's an Azot facility in Cherkasy, they produce nitrogen fertilizer.......

Yes, now suggestions that it is an Iskander.

I suppose we’ll find out soon enough.

[KRBFC]

baffles me why the US doesn't send in the B2 stealth bombers to wipe them out. No point having stealth capability if you aren't going to use them

This, agree completely. All grouped up, perfect opportunity to strike and cause serious damage.

[ClaretInLeeds]

What is that?

Russia’s version of the B-52 bomber. The “net” refers to several of them all flying at once.

[Vegas Claret]

The Bears are an antiquated turbo prop heap of **** in relation to the B52

[TonbridgeClaret]

All over twitter, confirmed by numerous sources from a news conference with EU bloke

It does sound weird though, I wonder if it was a mis translation?

Nope 23.40 minutes in

https://twitter.com/EUSec_Defence/statu ... 3334643715

Amazing! Thank you.

[NewClaret]

There's an Azot facility in Cherkasy, they produce nitrogen fertilizer.......

Hope it is this & not what it looked like.

[Murger]

It's pretty obvious to me that Putin needs taking out (martyr or not).

[Vegas Claret]

Hope it is this & not what it looked like.

[KRBFC]

Russian military column apparently hit with TB2 UCAV strike

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1497 ... rTi-IS6Okw

[KRBFC]

One of the Russians needs to sneakily poison the *******

[Mala591]

It’s possible (probable) that Putin is ‘seriously mentally ill’ and needs sectioning under some sort of Russian mental health act. The Russian members of parliament must take responsibility and trigger the process that removes him from office.

[Vegas Claret]

The thought of Putin putting his "nuclear deterrent" forces on high alert is very worrying as surely no leader of sound mind could truly believe NATO would launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike against Russia (or any country for that matter)

To paraphrase a line from a song by Sting, I hope the Russians love their children too..

If Putin was fully intent on launching Nukes I'm sure he wouldn't be telling the west about it
Nothing stopping the West reciprocating with a "all our nukes are pointing at Moscow sunshine"

It's all posturing

[Newcastleclaret93]

Apparently Kosovo have asked the US for a military base and have also requested NATO membership

[Vegas Claret]

It’s possible (probable) that Putin is ‘seriously mentally ill’ and needs sectioning under some sort of Russian mental health act. The Russian members of parliament must take responsibility and trigger the process that removes him from office.

no chance - look at his interviews today, looks the picture of health and fully compos mentis. He's just a complete bellend

[willsclarets]

I'm trying to remain calm about the unlikely nuclear scenario, but he's a paranoid 70 year old getting desperate and I live 35 miles from Faslane. I'm not losing sleep over it yet, but every now and then I get a shot of horrible adrenaline considering the possibility. I try to remind myself that if I'm worried about my kids, what are parents currently sitting surrounded in Kyiv thinking. It must be terrifying.

[Vegas Claret]

Russian military column apparently hit with TB2 UCAV strike

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1497 ... rTi-IS6Okw

it's laughable that the famed Russian Mil are getting battered by a drone, they should be picking them out of the sky for fun

[ClaretMat]

The information the BBC had earlier regarding Kiev being encircled appears not to be true.. Klitschko has since come out saying it was disinformation, has me questioning some of the BBC sources....