Russia Invades

[Lowbankclaret]

Very informative thread , long but worth a read.

https://twitter.com/chriso_wiki/status/ ... ubReDG7mEg

[Lowbankclaret]

There have been so many videos.
The one of the two unarmed guys who walked up to soldiers at a factory. Talked to them and when they were walking away two soldiers opened fire on them. They knew they were unarmed and still shot them in the back, all on video.
The two grand parents who Were shot by a BTR.
The Russian soldier who released a video of him taping a baby, I didn’t see it or try to find it. But it was all over social media at the time.
He was named and I think KIA days later.

Plus Loads more.

I can think of one report where Ukrainians were said to have shot POWs and Zelensky said it would be investigated and it better not be repeated.

[Lowbankclaret]

One of the Brits I have been following by following James Vasques, was KIA yesterday.
RIP Viktor.

https://twitter.com/jmvasquez1974/statu ... ubReDG7mEg

[JarrowClaret]

Let’s just say there are a lot of Ukrainian women and children who have suffered at the hands of the Russians. No Russian women and kids have been harmed as far as I have read.

There will be a lot that have suffered at the hands of Ukrainian guns as well it is the sad consequence of war. Not as many as have suffered at the hands of the Russians no doubt.

I am on the Ukrainian side but I need to see fairness we can’t just report on 1 side and ignore the other. I get hugely frustrated with the reports that come out of Gaza and the West Bank when the Israelies have done an attack for example. It is normally so one sided focussing on the deaths of civilians which is tragic. What we don’t always see is the SAM site on top of Hospitals, communication facilities inside Schools etc. that are deliberately placed there by the militant groups to either protect them or create propaganda when they are hit.

Both sides of the current conflict have done bits of this I can remember quite early on a shopping center being hit by the Russians and the being a massive reaction in the international community over it. it turned out later that the Ukrainians had been putting military vehicles in it turning it into a legitimate target was just 1 example off the top of my head.

[JarrowClaret]

The Ukrainians have captured a T90M MBT it seems it was abandoned as it had thrown a track. Now track bashing is a pain and very dirty work for anyone who hasn’t done it on here, but I would never contemplate abandoning a Tank because it’s track had come off madness.

Edit: maybe it tells us how quickly the Russians had too run away

[LeadBelly]

The Ukrainians have captured a T90M MBT it seems it was abandoned as it had thrown a track. Now track bashing is a pain and very dirty work for anyone who hasn’t done it on here, but I would never contemplate abandoning a Tank because it’s track had come off madness.

Edit: maybe it tells us how quickly the Russians had too run away

Yes, quite a few pictures here (in 4 batches of 4) https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/15 ... 6178245635

I think there's a lot of western interest in examining this to see what the kit is all about (and maybe which western producers have been involved in supplying components).

[JarrowClaret]

Made me think I wonder what happened to the BMPT there were loads of pictures and videos of it earlier on there have been none for ages.

[Lancasterclaret]

Russia relying on ad hoc volunteer formations and mercenary groups rather than the actual army?

Good news for Ukraine that

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/statu ... 4146255872

[LAM]

Found this thread really informative. Definitely one of the better threads. Thanks!

[Hipper]

Russia relying on ad hoc volunteer formations and mercenary groups rather than the actual army?

Good news for Ukraine that

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/statu ... 4146255872

I didn't realise that Russian defence spending is not much greater then ours.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_A ... #Structure

[bfcjg]

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/vladimir-puti ... 45238.html
They must be concerned about Crimea now.

[Hipper]

Erdogan: Putin willing to end war

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62965993

Testing the waters perhaps.

[Lowbankclaret]

Erdogan: Putin willing to end war

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62965993

Testing the waters perhaps.

Unfortunately I think not as my next post. Will likely show.

[Lowbankclaret]

All the chat on Twitter today is Putin is about to call a mass mobilisation of men to fight in Ukraine.
Stock exchange in Russia down around 8%.

https://twitter.com/warinukraineyet/sta ... bTsnKyyySA

https://twitter.com/warinukraineyet/sta ... bTsnKyyySA

[Lowbankclaret]

More chatter. Referendums to be held soon.

https://twitter.com/warinukraineyet/sta ... bTsnKyyySA

https://twitter.com/warinukraineyet/sta ... bTsnKyyySA

[Lowbankclaret]

It’s all sounding very bad at the moment.

Let see how this plays out over the next couple of weeks.

But it’s looking like Russia is going to go all out to win this, Europe isn’t getting any gas any time soon unless it gives up Ukraine.

[Lowbankclaret]

https://twitter.com/nat_vasilyeva/statu ... bTsnKyyySA

Sorry forgot to add.

[bpgburn]

It’s all sounding very bad at the moment.

Let see how this plays out over the next couple of weeks.

But it’s looking like Russia is going to go all out to win this, Europe isn’t getting any gas any time soon unless it gives up Ukraine.

That is the first time I've personally seen tweets from that account, with only 10k followers how reliable is it?

[Lancasterclaret]

The referendums will be a farce

Air prices for one way tickets out of Russia have shot through the roof

https://twitter.com/aviasales/status/15 ... 8537515011

Thing is, you can mobilise all you want, but you still have to train and equip the people you mobilize

That might be an issue to put it mildly

[Lancasterclaret]

The referendums will be a farce

Air prices for one way tickets out of Russia have shot through the roof

https://twitter.com/aviasales/status/15 ... 8537515011

Thing is, you can mobilise all you want, but you still have to train and equip the people you mobilize

That might be an issue to put it mildly

And it is doubling down on defeat sadly

On the other hand, Erdogan is reportedly saying that Putin wants the war to end "soon", based on meetings at the recent conference attended by them (and the Chinese and the -stan states of Asia)

It is still very hard to read what is going on in Russia

[Lancasterclaret]

This appears to be a more accurate reading of the situation

https://twitter.com/baunov/status/1572225020210089985

I think its safe to say that Russia is on its own with this one, and I agree that the support from China and the -stans are close to non-existent

[Lowbankclaret]

That is the first time I've personally seen tweets from that account, with only 10k followers how reliable is it?

Different account saying referendums will be done this month, this one I do trust.

https://twitter.com/warmonitor3/status/ ... bTsnKyyySA

[Hipper]

As I understand it Russia called this 'a Special Military Operation' in order to not declare a war.

Once they declare a war they can have full mobilisation, calling up reservists with past military experience. This could increase troop levels but they still have the issue of equipment and up to date training. It will also have a bad effect on their economy as men are removed from their work. It may also have a bad effect on the civilian morale.

This also means that current recruitment measures aren't working well enough.

I wonder if the recent meetings with China, behind closed doors of course, yielded some benefit to Russia that they feel able to escalate the situation.

[Lancasterclaret]

As I understand it Russia called this 'a Special Military Operation' in order to not declare a war.

Once they declare a war they can have full mobilisation, calling up reservists with past military experience. This could increase troop levels but they still have the issue of equipment and up to date training. It will also have a bad effect on their economy as men are removed from their work. It may also have a bad effect on the civilian morale.

This also means that current recruitment measures aren't working well enough.

I wonder if the recent meetings with China, behind closed doors of course, yielded some benefit to Russia that they feel able to escalate the situation.

Unlikely

China and its economy will be affected by this, and this is the last thing they need with the continuing COVID issues affecting their supply chains

[Elbarad]

The referendums will be a farce

Air prices for one way tickets out of Russia have shot through the roof

https://twitter.com/aviasales/status/15 ... 8537515011

Thing is, you can mobilise all you want, but you still have to train and equip the people you mobilize

That might be an issue to put it mildly

The only useful equipment they need to provide these scrapped together groups is a pair of Adidas running shoes.

[Lancasterclaret]

Took the UK two years to mobilise an effective citizen army in WWII, USA about the same

I just don't see how this solves their short to medium term problems, and will probably create a whole new raft of them

[Lowbankclaret]

Looks like the address to the nation is in a couple of hours.

[Taffy on the wing]

Looks like the last desperate throes of this madman......he's toast & he knows it.

Ukraine will get everything back plus Crimea.

[Colburn_Claret]

Took the UK two years to mobilise an effective citizen army in WWII, USA about the same

I just don't see how this solves their short to medium term problems, and will probably create a whole new raft of them

I see it that Putin wants to use Nukes on Ukraine, and wants to legitimise it by pretending he is defending Russia, rather than attacking Ukraine.
The fact that no one outside Russia could possibly believe that hogwash doesn't matter. He is losing face, and is desperate enough to cross any line to win. Our only hope is that there are enough sane Russians to prevent him.
Sadly in Russia of today those with the ability to stop him are bound to him, so basically it's stuffed.


I'm prepared for anything to help Ukraine win. A Putin victory would be a setback for civilisation throughout the world. I hope NATO has the ********, and the foresight to tell him that any use of Nukes in Ukraine will be crossing a line that NATO won't tolerate, and would be met with a similar response from them.

[welsbyswife]

If he is going for mobilisation that's surely a sign that not many people are signing up voluntarily. So I can't imagine many Russians being overjoyed at the chance to become cannon fodder with poor equipment and supply chains. What are the chances that this could seriously ramp up pressure on him from within if there is significant resistance from people in terms of going to fight?

[Lowbankclaret]

Not going to be a need for a visa ban if this is true.

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status ... i9VBXJyI5Q

[Lancasterclaret]

I see it that Putin wants to use Nukes on Ukraine, and wants to legitimise it by pretending he is defending Russia, rather than attacking Ukraine.
The fact that no one outside Russia could possibly believe that hogwash doesn't matter. He is losing face, and is desperate enough to cross any line to win. Our only hope is that there are enough sane Russians to prevent him.
Sadly in Russia of today those with the ability to stop him are bound to him, so basically it's stuffed.


I'm prepared for anything to help Ukraine win. A Putin victory would be a setback for civilisation throughout the world. I hope NATO has the ********, and the foresight to tell him that any use of Nukes in Ukraine will be crossing a line that NATO won't tolerate, and would be met with a similar response from them.

If he uses nuclear weapons on his own people, then he's toast

Problem is that Russian information control is so overwhelming that not even the inhabitants of Izyum knew that the Russians were essentially losing the ground war and had no idea that Ukrainian forces were so close

If its like that in Izyum, then in places deep in Russia, absolutley no one will have a clue what is going on outside of what they see on Russian TV

[Lancasterclaret]

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/15 ... 5181558785

Zaporizhzia governor (75% controlled by Russia) declares independence

Pretty sure how this is going to work

They will all declare independence with huge majorities, then Russia will invite them to join the Russian Federation, then Russia will declare victory

Course, it won't change anything, and Russia will become even more diplomatically isolated, but this is where Putin and Russia are at the moment

[Lancasterclaret]

Supposed to be a big speech by Putin tonight

Cancelled at the last minute

[Spiral]

Brutus?

[bfcjg]

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/jailed-putin- ... 13182.html
Hopefully when Putin is disposed the moderate Western looking politicians will gain popular support and ultimately power.

[Lancasterclaret]

Brutus?

We should be so lucky

Rescheduled for tomorrow

[fatboy47]

If he uses nuclear weapons on his own people, then he's toast

If he uses nuclear weapons in any shape or form then there's a good chance that we're all toast.

[Sottpark1 !]

Putin speaking now .. same @#£& different day ,

[NottsClaret]

Putin speaking now .. same @#£& different day ,

Yeah, was expecting worse to be honest.

[Lancasterclaret]

Weakest hand since the infamous "We hold all the cards" pre-2016

And it has to be said, people in are surely going to start thinking "How come we are winning in Ukraine so much that we have to threaten nuclear Armageddon and mobilize?"

[Lancasterclaret]

Just to recap here

All the areas that Russia currently occupy will vote to join Russia, and then Putin will threaten to use nukes in Ukraine crosses the "new" border

Its an, er, "interesting" strategy

[Sottpark1 !]

Calling reservists up from today , to defend Russia’s territorial integrity !

[Lancasterclaret]

https://twitter.com/CorporalFrisk/statu ... 7904504832

Retired Finnish Major General (ex Chief of Military intelligence) being asked if this will affect Russian troops numbers in six-twelve months

One word answer

"No"

[Lancasterclaret]

Quick analysis

Huge bluff to try to get Ukraine to stop attacking and negotiate

It actually highlights just how weak Russia is at the moment

[Colburn_Claret]

Quick analysis

Huge bluff to try to get Ukraine to stop attacking and negotiate

It actually highlights just how weak Russia is at the moment

That doesn't work for me.
I know Putin is living in self isolation, but even he can't be daft enough to think that Ukraine are going to stop fighting now.
They are getting stronger, Russia are weaker, if they weren't prepared to negotiate 6 months ago, there isn't a cat in hells chance now.
Even his partial mobilisation won't work, it takes too long to train them, they aren't as well drilled, and they've got very little arms left to give them.
imo he is just seeking an internal excuse to use nukes in Ukraine, which is why it is so important that NATO let him know what the consequences of that will be. It still wouldn't stop him, but it might stop some of his Generals.

[ClaretLoup]

Re mobilisation the first wave will be people who have served in the military previously and as they have National Service (?) that’s likely to be quite a lot of personnel.

Therefore it won’t take quite so long to have them “oven ready” ?

Perhaps some of our military experts can comment on this.

[1882Clarets1882]

It used to be said that the Russian army was the 2nd most powerful army in the world. Now its the 2nd most powerful army in the Ukraine.

[bfcjg]

Putin has obviously run out of Syrians,Ethiopians,prisoners and North Koreans.

[welsbyswife]

It used to be said that the Russian army was the 2nd most powerful army in the world. Now its the 2nd most powerful army in the Ukraine.

In terms of conventional army maybe but not if you throw in the nuclear element. Even though they are subjected to brainwashing surely Russian people can see through the contradictions. Claim that they have only lost 6000 men and yet they need to mobilise? All going to plan yet the need to wave his nuclear cock around?

I just hope they wake up and get rid of him before he does something stupid.