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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Colburn_Claret » Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:37 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:09 am
That quote sums so much up perfectly here. Surely the Russians know full well that nobody outside Russian believes a word of the constant garbage coming out of their mouths and yet they cannot help but keep spouting it. Even this joke referendum stuff is clearly something they know full well nobody in their right mind will believe is fair or in any way "real", but they're going to do it anyway. Because they simply can't help themselves.
Another observation which someone alluded to above in passing is that sending 300,000 extra troops to the front is actually another 300,000 witnesses to exactly what's really happening in Ukraine and how badly Russia is failing and that just makes it so much harder for the Putin crowd to keep hoodwinking their general populace (hopefully!)
I think they are trying to counter that by pushing the 'recruitment ' way out East, as far from Moscow as possible.

How Putin has the gall to accuse anyone of being a Nazi, when he is the nearest thing we've had to Hitler since WWII. 🤔
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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lowbankclaret » Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:44 pm

So here is a clip from recruits being told you will get 2 weeks refresher training and then it’s off to war.

One guy just has his head in his hands.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/statu ... zMGSbHWrgg

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:48 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:44 pm
So here is a clip from recruits being told you will get 2 weeks refresher training and then it’s off to war.

One guy just has his head in his hands.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/statu ... zMGSbHWrgg
https://twitter.com/mikolajnalej/status ... 4004505600

More accurate translation

Three weeks! to they go to the front

Dosvidaniya Rodina!

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Colburn_Claret » Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:03 pm

Seen another video this morning mobilisation on an island off the coast of Japan.
It suddenly dawned on me, though it should have been obvious, that all these recruits out East get little training, and inferior weapons, because Moscow is frightened to death that the worm might turn.
All his best soldiers are all around Putin, and won't be going anywhere soon, as he is the walking dead without them

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lowbankclaret » Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:22 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:48 pm
https://twitter.com/mikolajnalej/status ... 4004505600

More accurate translation

Three weeks! to they go to the front

Dosvidaniya Rodina!
I don’t want to get into a debate, but I cannot see the 3 weeks in the link you put up. But hopefully we can agree 2 or 3 weeks training and then on the front line.
Is simple insanity.
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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:25 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:22 pm
I don’t want to get into a debate, but I cannot see the 3 weeks in the link you put up. But hopefully we can agree 2 or 3 weeks training and then on the front line.
Is simple insanity.
Oh its 100% mental no doubt about it

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by LeadBelly » Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:30 pm

Their better troops with much of their latest weaponry has found it very hard going in Ukraine & are now in retreat in some areas and under severe pressure to hold in other areas.
Logistics for the forces in field is struggling, truck shortages, ammo being blown up left right & centre, key rail connections captured by Ukrainians etc.
Now they send "pressed" & reluctant soldiers with minimal training with weaponry wont be the best.

Also it'll be well into autumn when they arrive, by late Oct/early Nov there'll be frosts at night - doubt they have sufficient cold weather clothing & certainly may find it difficult in December/January when the snows come.
Not a great prospect for these "recruits".

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:39 pm

LeadBelly wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:30 pm
Their better troops with much of their latest weaponry has found it very hard going in Ukraine & are now in retreat in some areas and under severe pressure to hold in other areas.
Logistics for the forces in field is struggling, truck shortages, ammo being blown up left right & centre, key rail connections captured by Ukrainians etc.
Now they send "pressed" & reluctant soldiers with minimal training with weaponry wont be the best.

Also it'll be well into autumn when they arrive, by late Oct/early Nov there'll be frosts at night - doubt they have sufficient cold weather clothing & certainly may find it difficult in December/January when the snows come.
Not a great prospect for these "recruits".
The map of the railway network now that Kupanysk has fallen is stark for the Russians

All the lines in the east are in Ukrainian artillery and HIMARS range, and the lines to the south cross two bridges, one at Kerch (probably safe) and one where the Crimea links with Ukraine

Its a potential nightmare, and of course, the amount of civilian vehicles being used will have a huge knock on effect in the Russian economy

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Re: Russia Invades

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lowbankclaret » Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:20 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:43 pm
https://twitter.com/The3Swamp/status/15 ... 1449313281

Marching

its not for everyone
That’s a Baldrick attempt at being sent home.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lowbankclaret » Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:20 pm

Interesting read, well written I would say.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... SApp_Other

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lowbankclaret » Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:08 pm

Retire officer called with diabetes.

Declared fit to serve . Probably does not matter he has illnesses. Likely to be dead soon anyway. Poor chap.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:56 pm

KYIV INDEPENDENT: Lukashenko: 'There will be no mobilization in Belarus.'

Belarusian dictator Alexander Lukashenko said that his government doesn't plan to mobilize Belarusians, state-controlled news agency Belta reported on Sept. 23.

https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/sta ... 9YTR9LzYYQ

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:02 pm

ROB LEE: A herd of Russian mobiks going to the drill grounds, Primorsky Krai, Russian Far East.

https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1573 ... 9YTR9LzYYQ

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:06 pm

NEW VOICE OF UKRAINE: The Russian vassal state of Chechnya has already "surpassed the target” on providing conscripts for the Russian military, and as a result Russian dictator Vladimir Putin’s decree on partial mobilization will not apply

https://twitter.com/newvoiceukraine/sta ... 9YTR9LzYYQ

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:07 pm

KYIV INDEPENDENT: During electrocution, Russian torture chambers survivor Vitaliy Oliia recalls losing consciousness repeatedly, as his screams left him short of breath.

The pain was “indescribable,” he says.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:09 pm

REUTERS: Moscow "not threatening anyone" with nuclear weapons - Russia's Ryabkov

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1573 ... 9YTR9LzYYQ

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:49 pm

OSINTtechnical: Ukrainian forces recover a downed Iranian-produced, Russian-operated Mohajer-6 UAV

https://twitter.com/osinttechnical/stat ... LkfK5gtO8g

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:04 pm

WARNING image is of what captivity to the Russians look like.

KYIV INDEPENDENT: Left: Ukrainian marine Mykhailo Dianov inside the Azovstal steel plant during the siege of Mariupol in May.
Right: Dianov in a Kyiv hospital after his release from Russian captivity in late September.

https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/sta ... LkfK5gtO8g

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sat Sep 24, 2022 11:00 am

We did mention the quality of gun going to be handed out. I would not dare pull the trigger on those.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/statu ... RV4b0FnTYw

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sat Sep 24, 2022 11:22 am

17 year old kid, developed a drone that can detect land mines..

https://twitter.com/currenttimetv/statu ... RV4b0FnTYw

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by JarrowClaret » Sat Sep 24, 2022 11:36 am

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sat Sep 24, 2022 11:00 am
We did mention the quality of gun going to be handed out. I would not dare pull the trigger on those.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/statu ... RV4b0FnTYw
Knowing AK47s etc it would probably still work without issue!

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:13 pm

JarrowClaret wrote:
Sat Sep 24, 2022 11:36 am
Knowing AK47s etc it would probably still work without issue!
Have to admit I have never shot one.

I have shot lots of guns and had them jam, misfire, . My friends gun let the back blow of a bullet and he got powder burns on his face.

Hence why I would not be pulling the trigger on those.

They may still work but likely to let you down just when you need it most.

But it does show what these lads are going to war with. Going to be a lot of dead Russians next month I think. Bless them.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by bpgburn » Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:12 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:13 pm
Have to admit I have never shot one.

I have shot lots of guns and had them jam, misfire, . My friends gun let the back blow of a bullet and he got powder burns on his face.

Hence why I would not be pulling the trigger on those.

They may still work but likely to let you down just when you need it most.

But it does show what these lads are going to war with. Going to be a lot of dead Russians next month I think. Bless them.
Also going to be a lot of dead Ukrainians a well, lets not forget that when issuing gung-ho go get 'em war cries from the comfort of our safe houses in our safe democratic peace time country.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Boss Hogg » Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:42 pm

AK47s are well built weapons that survive the harshest conditions. Many rifles that are older than this (of the non semi variety) are also extremely well made and reliable.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by CoolClaret » Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:35 pm

I shot a brand spanking new AR-15 at a range in Austin, Texas (around 10 magazines worth of rounds) and even that jammed a few times, on what’s normally meant to be a very reliable gun. (The instructor was rather perplexed why it jammed 3/4 times)

I know AK-47s are meant to be reliable and can take dogs abuse but there’s no chance them rusty guns are gonna do anything against a well drilled, heavily armed army.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Boss Hogg » Sat Sep 24, 2022 11:35 pm

Hadn’t seen the photo before I posted. They look lethal for the user.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Sun Sep 25, 2022 10:37 am

AK-47s are designed to be easy to use, and easy to maintain, but they still need some care and attention

Essentially the question is this, how much training on keeping his gun maintained and clean is a soldier with three weeks basic training going to be have?

Not a lot

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Sun Sep 25, 2022 10:44 am

NEXTA: After September 28, men of mobilization age will be forbidden to leave #Russia, reports "Meduza".

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/157 ... x0DPvt3fDw

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:25 am

Peter Caddick-Adams retweet:

Today, Bundestag failed to vote for supplying Ukraine with German tanks and armored vehicles. It's a blow to Ukraine, again. I know many Germans wonder why we call on Germany specifically? Simple explanation: because it is either German or American tanks and armored vehicles

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:42 am

NEXTA: In the Rostov region, obsolete military equipment was spotted being brought in as reinforcements for the Russian army.

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/157 ... x0DPvt3fDw

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by bfcjg » Sun Sep 25, 2022 1:11 pm

Liberation. Speaks a thousand words.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1573949216686235648

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Elbarad » Sun Sep 25, 2022 2:21 pm

I don't know if I've posted this before, or if someone else has. But this is an outstanding map that's updated fairly regularly.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Sep 25, 2022 3:47 pm

anyone else expecting 295000 of the 300000 to desert within 1 day of stepping foot in Ukraine ?

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Sep 25, 2022 4:48 pm

Grenade Launcher training, Russian style. Get your running shoes on.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Tribesmen » Sun Sep 25, 2022 5:29 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:13 pm
Have to admit I have never shot one.

I have shot lots of guns and had them jam, misfire, . My friends gun let the back blow of a bullet and he got powder burns on his face.

Hence why I would not be pulling the trigger on those.

They may still work but likely to let you down just when you need it most.

But it does show what these lads are going to war with. Going to be a lot of dead Russians next month I think. Bless them.
Funny when i say i have only fired two guns in my life and both were a AK47s , now before anyone says anything about a Paddy firing guns , one was in Israel and the other in Pakistan

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by NewClaret » Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:21 pm

Looks like the strategically important town of Lyman has been, or is close to being, liberated by Ukraine.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Hipper » Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:35 am

A study of the Russian mobilisation situation/history:

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgr ... ptember-25

According to Wiki, in the Russian Army the number of conscripts amounts to 225,000 and the number of contractors amounts to 405,000 as of March 2020.

'Contractors' means full time soldiers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Armed_Forces

Surely not all those numbers are fighting soldiers. You need admin, logistics, intelligence etc..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tooth-to-tail_ratio

How many Russian troops have been lost? There don't seem to be any reliable estimates. Russia says 6,000 (which seems ridiculously low), Ukraine says 45,000 to 55,000 killed and the US estimates 70,000 to 80,000 casualties (meaning deaths and injuries).

You would also think that Russia would need some remaining forces to defend them from non-Ukraine threats, such as NATO, internal problems etc..

They've got problems!

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lowbankclaret » Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:39 am

Hipper wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:35 am
A study of the Russian mobilisation situation/history:

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgr ... ptember-25

According to Wiki, in the Russian Army the number of conscripts amounts to 225,000 and the number of contractors amounts to 405,000 as of March 2020.

'Contractors' means full time soldiers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Armed_Forces

Surely not all those numbers are fighting soldiers. You need admin, logistics, intelligence etc..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tooth-to-tail_ratio

How many Russian troops have been lost? There don't seem to be any reliable estimates. Russia says 6,000 (which seems ridiculously low), Ukraine says 45,000 to 55,000 killed and the US estimates 70,000 to 80,000 casualties (meaning deaths and injuries).

You would also think that Russia would need some remaining forces to defend them from non-Ukraine threats, such as NATO, internal problems etc..

They've got problems!
There was a leaked document floating around Twitter a couple of weeks ago that said Russian needed X amount of Rubles to pay for dead soldiers nd needed to start putting away more money for the expected loses.
People calculated the money needed for war dead was 46,000 based on that Russian document. That apparently didn’t included soldiers declared MIA.

So I think an estimate over 50,000 is not going to be far off.

Obviously I have no idea of the document was fake but others believed it to be an official document.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:43 am

Based on the weekend videos and stuff, you can see why Putin has held off declaring even a partial mobilisation

Its not going well to put it mildly

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lowbankclaret » Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:15 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:43 am
Based on the weekend videos and stuff, you can see why Putin has held off declaring even a partial mobilisation

Its not going well to put it mildly
I agree, one mobilised soldier shot his mobilisation officer.

Lots of clashes with protesters.

Now they have sent troops to the borders to stop people leaving.
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Re: Russia Invades

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Re: Russia Invades

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by AlargeClaret » Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:15 pm

I presumed Russia were “simply” calling up their T/A reservists and those former soldiers who stay on the reserve list ? In that case it’s standard practice in any conflict . I notice these demos appear to be mainly ( understandably ) women of all ages and student types . I’m again presuming these are the regular “ opposition “ to Putin which is fair enough.
While it’s clear Vlad is on the back foot and has lost ordnance at a far quicker rate than can be replaced , to underestimate Russias industrial and production capability or the capability of their fighting strength would be folly . It’s all about wether the US can keep up the very impressive supply of firepower imo .

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:20 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:15 pm
I presumed Russia were “simply” calling up their T/A reservists and those former soldiers who stay on the reserve list ? In that case it’s standard practice in any conflict . I notice these demos appear to be mainly ( understandably ) women of all ages and student types . I’m again presuming these are the regular “ opposition “ to Putin which is fair enough.
While it’s clear Vlad is on the back foot and has lost ordnance at a far quicker rate than can be replaced , to underestimate Russias industrial and production capability or the capability of their fighting strength would be folly . It’s all about wether the US can keep up the very impressive supply of firepower imo .
Why is it folly?

The pics I'm seeing are T-62 with reactive armor turning up at the front line, towed ZU-23 AA guns etc etc etc

That equipment is almost as old as me, and will suffer disproportionately heavier casualties because its essentially obsolete

The modern stuff that Russia has (or rather had) is heavily dependent on Western tech, all of which is now on the sanctioned list

I can see Russia have a large army v the Ukrainians next year, but will it be as combat effective as the one that invaded in Feb 2022?

I can't see it, and the Ukrainian one is now both better equipped and experienced

I don't see Western arms shipments halting either, because Putin has been upping the rhetoric for the last six months, and it now impossible to ignore (well, apart from people like Corbyn) the threat he poses

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Colburn_Claret » Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:24 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:15 pm
I presumed Russia were “simply” calling up their T/A reservists and those former soldiers who stay on the reserve list ? In that case it’s standard practice in any conflict . I notice these demos appear to be mainly ( understandably ) women of all ages and student types . I’m again presuming these are the regular “ opposition “ to Putin which is fair enough.
While it’s clear Vlad is on the back foot and has lost ordnance at a far quicker rate than can be replaced , to underestimate Russias industrial and production capability or the capability of their fighting strength would be folly . It’s all about wether the US can keep up the very impressive supply of firepower imo .
Quantity will not beat quality.
In terms of moral, training, reason for being there, equipment, every Ukraine soldier must be worth 10 Russians.
Ask any man on the street, who he'd rather be fighting for, and only a fool would say Russia.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lowbankclaret » Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:13 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:20 pm
Why is it folly?

The pics I'm seeing are T-62 with reactive armor turning up at the front line, towed ZU-23 AA guns etc etc etc

That equipment is almost as old as me, and will suffer disproportionately heavier casualties because its essentially obsolete

The modern stuff that Russia has (or rather had) is heavily dependent on Western tech, all of which is now on the sanctioned list

I can see Russia have a large army v the Ukrainians next year, but will it be as combat effective as the one that invaded in Feb 2022?

I can't see it, and the Ukrainian one is now both better equipped and experienced

I don't see Western arms shipments halting either, because Putin has been upping the rhetoric for the last six months, and it now impossible to ignore (well, apart from people like Corbyn) the threat he poses
Agree with above!

My current biggest worry is Putin’s next move is.
Annex the areas he has taken!
If the mobilisation does not stem the loss of Annexed lands.

That’s when he uses tactical Nukes.

Reason for thinking this.

He has run out of Tanks and BMP’s to send to Ukraine. He has run out of options.
They are saying Putin has taken more control of his forces in the last few days, I think that’s why I have seen around 6 planes lost and 4 helicopters. The biggest loss apart from when HIMARS hit an airfield.

He is running out of options fast.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:18 pm

There is a mythology that America are perusing their own interests and using Ukraine.

To those accepting this Russian propaganda line I would ask only one question: Who invaded Ukraine against international law?

Clue, it was NOT America. Some people are so keen on conspiracy theories they feel empowered to ignore the evidence of their own eyes.

Russia has turned from a totalitarian regime into a terrorist state, and for too long the world have tried turning the other cheek, which has only emboldened fascism.
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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lowbankclaret » Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:28 pm

This guy posts some stuff that normally turns out to be true, he is saying the first train carrying newly mobilised troops has been blown up by Partisans.

https://twitter.com/lilygrutcher/status ... MAnDdbV_Tw

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:42 pm

https://twitter.com/Justin_Br0nk/status ... 4469335046

What to learn about the new Iranian drones and munitions that Russia are using?

Then look no further!

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