Russia Invades
Russia Invades
The Russian invasion has begun.
Air strikes across Ukraine including Kiev and Lviv.
Airports severely damaged.
TASS reporting Ukraines air defences completely neutralised.
Reports of paratroopers being dropped above Kharkiv
Ukraine reporting hundreds likely to be killed already.
Would expect the air assault to continue for some time before ground forces move in.
Air strikes across Ukraine including Kiev and Lviv.
Airports severely damaged.
TASS reporting Ukraines air defences completely neutralised.
Reports of paratroopers being dropped above Kharkiv
Ukraine reporting hundreds likely to be killed already.
Would expect the air assault to continue for some time before ground forces move in.
-
- Posts: 4970
- Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:04 pm
- Been Liked: 1007 times
- Has Liked: 725 times
Re: Russia Invades
I just don't understand their motive if I'm being honest. Usually behind war there is greed but the parallels to this and WW2 are scary.
Putin just comes across as a mad dictator.
I hope we don't see the start of WW3 but honestly this has me more scared than ever.
Those poor people caught in the conflict.
Putin just comes across as a mad dictator.
I hope we don't see the start of WW3 but honestly this has me more scared than ever.
Those poor people caught in the conflict.
Re: Russia Invades
Reports of deep penetration of Russian troops towards Kharkiv and Chernihiv.
Re: Russia Invades
He’s an absolute t*** is Putin. If people haven’t had it hard enough over the past 2 years with the pandemic, the idiot decides to kick off a war for no good reason. Not sure how far this goes and to what extent the west gets involved.
Re: Russia Invades
It’s terrifying! He knows the only way to stop him is by a World War. What a vile creature he is. Grim day.
Re: Russia Invades
Unverified videos of Russian troops on the outskirts of Kharkiv.
Russian troops advancing along seven main axis, towards Kiev.
Russian troops advancing along seven main axis, towards Kiev.
-
- Posts: 23343
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:09 pm
- Been Liked: 8058 times
- Has Liked: 4714 times
- Location: Riding the galactic winds in my X-wing
Re: Russia Invades
Hope Russia have a different economic plan to one they currently have, because it won't be viable after today
Which of course brings its own dangers, but if he gets away with this, then its going to embolden him more
Which of course brings its own dangers, but if he gets away with this, then its going to embolden him more
-
- Posts: 16751
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:05 am
- Been Liked: 3771 times
- Has Liked: 7571 times
- Location: Derbyshire
Re: Russia Invades
They don't want Ukraine in nato.superdimitri wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:47 amI just don't understand their motive if I'm being honest. Usually behind war there is greed but the parallels to this and WW2 are scary.
Putin just comes across as a mad dictator.
I hope we don't see the start of WW3 but honestly this has me more scared than ever.
Those poor people caught in the conflict.
Putin has weakened USA international resolve via Trumps ego and now, the time is right.
A very over simplified view, but roughly along the road to where Russia is at.
-
- Posts: 4486
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:29 am
- Been Liked: 990 times
- Has Liked: 3266 times
- Location: Burnley
Re: Russia Invades
It is very worrying,why can't people live in peace wih each other.?
This I fear is not going to end well.Feel so sorry for all the innocent people who will lose their lives.
This I fear is not going to end well.Feel so sorry for all the innocent people who will lose their lives.
These 4 users liked this post: bfcjg Goddy tiger76 KateR
-
- Posts: 4388
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:09 pm
- Been Liked: 1826 times
- Has Liked: 930 times
Re: Russia Invades
Freeze them out of Swift. Ban any commercial flight from European airspace that has Russia as a destination or departure. Full import/export embargo.
Nothing measures can be harsh enough. Should matter if it hurts us too so long as it impacts them more.
Too much Russian money in this country & politics to see us properly take a stand though.
Nothing measures can be harsh enough. Should matter if it hurts us too so long as it impacts them more.
Too much Russian money in this country & politics to see us properly take a stand though.
This user liked this post: frankinwales
-
- Posts: 4388
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:09 pm
- Been Liked: 1826 times
- Has Liked: 930 times
Re: Russia Invades
Fixed that for you.
Putin does not consider Ukraine to be a legitimate county.
This user liked this post: Buxtonclaret
Re: Russia Invades
Kalibr cruise missile strikes at Ivano-Frankivsk airbase, which is in the far west of Ukraine, around 100km from Polish border.
-
- Posts: 847
- Joined: Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:17 am
- Been Liked: 111 times
- Has Liked: 71 times
Re: Russia Invades
Expansionism is his motive.superdimitri wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:47 amI just don't understand their motive if I'm being honest. Usually behind war there is greed but the parallels to this and WW2 are scary.
Putin just comes across as a mad dictator.
I hope we don't see the start of WW3 but honestly this has me more scared than ever.
Those poor people caught in the conflict.
Anyway, this is a useful site/map to follow what's going on. https://liveuamap.com/
-
- Posts: 689
- Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:43 pm
- Been Liked: 201 times
- Has Liked: 232 times
Re: Russia Invades
US Republicans are divided on whether to support Putin or not. If even the US is not unified in its response to this, very little chance of much happening.
Re: Russia Invades
Be interesting to see what the anti war coalition do.....oh that's right it's not America or the UK so nothing.
Dreadful time,as alluded to the man is insane God knows how this will play out.
Dreadful time,as alluded to the man is insane God knows how this will play out.
-
- Posts: 3121
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:24 am
- Been Liked: 946 times
- Has Liked: 411 times
Re: Russia Invades
Problem with sanctions is that Putin has spent years building the country’s reserves. This has been done by reducing their reliance on the $ and other currencies.
They are stable enough economically to let this run for a while.
I think the NATO thing is the reason too in that I believe they wrote it in the Ukraines constitution that they could opt to join if they wanted to.
He is just mad and wants to do what he wants. He doesn’t recognise the Ukraine as a sovereign state so he doesn’t care.
God knows what is going to happen but power clearly
does crazy things to people.
They are stable enough economically to let this run for a while.
I think the NATO thing is the reason too in that I believe they wrote it in the Ukraines constitution that they could opt to join if they wanted to.
He is just mad and wants to do what he wants. He doesn’t recognise the Ukraine as a sovereign state so he doesn’t care.
God knows what is going to happen but power clearly
does crazy things to people.
Re: Russia Invades
Correct, they’ve dramatically decreased their US bond holdings and have been stacking gold.clarethomer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:39 amProblem with sanctions is that Putin has spent years building the country’s reserves. This has been done by reducing their reliance on the $ and other currencies.
They are stable enough economically to let this run for a while.
I think the NATO thing is the reason too in that I believe they wrote it in the Ukraines constitution that they could opt to join if they wanted to.
He is just mad and wants to do what he wants. He doesn’t recognise the Ukraine as a sovereign state so he doesn’t care.
God knows what is going to happen but power clearly
does crazy things to people.
-
- Posts: 5125
- Joined: Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:50 am
- Been Liked: 1127 times
- Has Liked: 1238 times
Re: Russia Invades
This would never happened if Trump was still POTUS Biden is weak and Putin knows this just like Obama was when the Russians took the Crimea.
Putin is a dictator like Hitler and Stalin before him and will eventually fall on his sword as they all do, he will leave a trail of misery and destruction at home and abroad, before the weak, woke West comes to its senses, regains its pride and fights back.
Putin is a dictator like Hitler and Stalin before him and will eventually fall on his sword as they all do, he will leave a trail of misery and destruction at home and abroad, before the weak, woke West comes to its senses, regains its pride and fights back.
-
- Posts: 847
- Joined: Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:17 am
- Been Liked: 111 times
- Has Liked: 71 times
Re: Russia Invades
The sanctions for this need to be absolutely crushing. Even if it means they have to harm the entire population severely, and even if it risks his throwing caution to the wind and moving on NATO countries. The punishment for this has to be so severe that his country is incapable of financing any future invasions, and also to deter the likes of China from moving on Taiwan. And god knows China will be more vulnerable to these kinds of sanctions than Russia is.Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:26 amHope Russia have a different economic plan to one they currently have, because it won't be viable after today
Which of course brings its own dangers, but if he gets away with this, then its going to embolden him more
-
- Posts: 847
- Joined: Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:17 am
- Been Liked: 111 times
- Has Liked: 71 times
Re: Russia Invades
Are you saying the guy who tried to blackmail Ukraine, and who is praising Putin for invading Ukraine, would have prevented this? What a crock of crap.Top Claret wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:43 amThis would never happened if Trump was still POTUS Biden is weak and Putin knows this just like Obama was when the Russians took the Crimea.
Putin is a dictator like Hitler and Stalin before him and will eventually fall on his sword as they all do, he will leave a trail of misery and destruction at home and abroad, before the weak, woke West comes to its senses, regains its pride and fights back.
-
- Posts: 8144
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:30 pm
- Been Liked: 3083 times
- Has Liked: 5063 times
- Location: Catterick N.Yorks
Re: Russia Invades
It's a battle we can't possibly win, but we can't afford to lose.
Sanctio s aren't going to bother him, he has to have already planned for that.
Personally, I'd give him a deadline and nuke him. I'm aware that that will have catastrophic consequences for this country, and I wouldn't take the step lightly, but if he isn't stopped now he'll just continue swallowing country after country, until the old iron curtain counties are back in subjugation.
To dither and talk while he acts would be a big mistake, bullies only understand one thing.
Sanctio s aren't going to bother him, he has to have already planned for that.
Personally, I'd give him a deadline and nuke him. I'm aware that that will have catastrophic consequences for this country, and I wouldn't take the step lightly, but if he isn't stopped now he'll just continue swallowing country after country, until the old iron curtain counties are back in subjugation.
To dither and talk while he acts would be a big mistake, bullies only understand one thing.
-
- Posts: 10328
- Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:36 pm
- Been Liked: 3342 times
- Has Liked: 1964 times
Re: Russia Invades
No you wouldn’t.Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:46 amIt's a battle we can't possibly win, but we can't afford to lose.
Sanctio s aren't going to bother him, he has to have already planned for that.
Personally, I'd give him a deadline and nuke him.
-
- Posts: 5125
- Joined: Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:50 am
- Been Liked: 1127 times
- Has Liked: 1238 times
Re: Russia Invades
The only crock of crap is the crap you read and believe in your lefty woke ragsPeterWilton wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:46 amAre you saying the guy who tried to blackmail Ukraine, and who is praising Putin for invading Ukraine, would have prevented this? What a crock of crap.
This user liked this post: KateR
-
- Posts: 847
- Joined: Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:17 am
- Been Liked: 111 times
- Has Liked: 71 times
Re: Russia Invades
Estonia and Lithuania have triggered Article 4 of the NATO treaty
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/of ... _17120.htmArticle 4
The Parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Parties is threatened.
Re: Russia Invades
Who are we to talk.......SIR Tony Blair!
-
- Posts: 847
- Joined: Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:17 am
- Been Liked: 111 times
- Has Liked: 71 times
Re: Russia Invades
trying to get the thread pulled or something? Grow up plz. Let us discuss this.Top Claret wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:56 amThe only crock of crap is the crap you read and believe in your lefty woke rags
This user liked this post: bfcjg
Re: Russia Invades
Funny that Biden was promoting himself as the only candidate who was prepared to go 'toe to toe' with Putin prior to the elections. Yeah right, weak as p*** and Putin knows it.
This user liked this post: KateR
Re: Russia Invades
As of 1 hour ago, very heavy fighting in Luhansk.
Ukraine reportedly recapture Schastia, inflicting heavy losses on the Russian side.
Ukraine reportedly recapture Schastia, inflicting heavy losses on the Russian side.
-
- Posts: 4388
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:09 pm
- Been Liked: 1826 times
- Has Liked: 930 times
Re: Russia Invades
Damned if you do damned I'd you don't. What's the US (regardless of party in power) meant to do, put troops on the Ukrainian border and make Putin's false narrative of a Russia surrounded closer to reality.
-
- Posts: 847
- Joined: Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:17 am
- Been Liked: 111 times
- Has Liked: 71 times
Re: Russia Invades
What the hell do you expect him to do, put the US military into Ukraine? And what do you think the other guy would do? That guy's bloody cheerleading the Russians right now.
Unless you're willing to put our militaries into Ukraine to prevent this then sanctions is all we have. You're calling him weak (before you even know his response) so i'd be genuinely interested in what you think he should have done/be doing to prevent this?
Last edited by PeterWilton on Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:04 am, edited 1 time in total.
-
- Posts: 5125
- Joined: Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:50 am
- Been Liked: 1127 times
- Has Liked: 1238 times
Re: Russia Invades
I know who you are, didn't you used to be Imploding Turtle?PeterWilton wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:58 amtrying to get the thread pulled or something? Grow up plz. Let us discuss this.
The only discussion you know is abuse and I certainly don't want to get into a slanging match with our own UTC Putin
So sling ya hook
Re: Russia Invades
Don’t start.Top Claret wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:56 amThe only crock of crap is the crap you read and believe in your lefty woke rags
For once, can we not get a thread pulled for pettiness.
This is potentially huge, for all of us.
Stock markets down 3-4%.
Crude oil up to $102.
These 4 users liked this post: PeterWilton Top Claret bfcjg tiger76
-
- Posts: 847
- Joined: Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:17 am
- Been Liked: 111 times
- Has Liked: 71 times
Re: Russia Invades
tbh, Oil price going up is a good thing. Maybe now we'll take seriously our over-reliance on it as a source of energy. Especially when it (and gas) comes from Russia.
Re: Russia Invades
Haven't watched the news propoganda yet but should imagine Russia will be making sure Donetsk and Lugansk are protected from Ukraine.
-
- Posts: 847
- Joined: Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:17 am
- Been Liked: 111 times
- Has Liked: 71 times
Re: Russia Invades
'Even if it means they have to harm the entire population severely'.PeterWilton wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:44 amThe sanctions for this need to be absolutely crushing. Even if it means they have to harm the entire population severely, and even if it risks his throwing caution to the wind and moving on NATO countries. The punishment for this has to be so severe that his country is incapable of financing any future invasions, and also to deter the likes of China from moving on Taiwan. And god knows China will be more vulnerable to these kinds of sanctions than Russia is.
I can't believe any government of ours would put the people of Ukraine above our own population. They will be punished at the ballot box if they did. The average UK resident is more concerned about inflation (especially energy but food too) and their own world. Sure, we'll make good sounding noises but no more.
I also cynically suspect that 'severe sanctions' employed by our current government are more tokenism then real hurt for Russians or our financial sector. We're not really interested.
Like Crimea, once the dust settles, it will be back to normal and Putin will know they can do what they like in their region. He has the measure of us.
-
- Posts: 4388
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:09 pm
- Been Liked: 1826 times
- Has Liked: 930 times
Re: Russia Invades
If the world was absent of nuclear weapons we would already have troops on the ground, and Russia would quickly be defeated.
As it stands there’s nothing we can do without the threat of a world ending war.
As it stands there’s nothing we can do without the threat of a world ending war.
-
- Posts: 847
- Joined: Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:17 am
- Been Liked: 111 times
- Has Liked: 71 times
Re: Russia Invades
I was referring to the Russian population, not ours.Hipper wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:20 am'Even if it means they have to harm the entire population severely'.
I can't believe any government of ours would put the people of Ukraine above our own population. They will be punished at the ballot box if they did. The average UK resident is more concerned about inflation (especially energy but food too) and their own world. Sure, we'll make good sounding noises but no more.
I also cynically suspect that 'severe sanctions' employed by our current government are more tokenism then real hurt for Russians or our financial sector. We're not really interested.
Like Crimea, once the dust settles, it will be back to normal and Putin will know they can do what they like in their region. He has the measure of us.
-
- Posts: 7454
- Joined: Sat May 06, 2017 7:39 pm
- Been Liked: 2256 times
- Has Liked: 2169 times
Re: Russia Invades
Never condone war but ‘understand’ Putin’s concerns regards Ukraine/NATO
I just find it a bit hilarious when the UK/USA are acting like moral arbiters after destabilising countless regions around the globe for the past 70 years or so
I just find it a bit hilarious when the UK/USA are acting like moral arbiters after destabilising countless regions around the globe for the past 70 years or so
-
- Posts: 1500
- Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2016 8:47 pm
- Been Liked: 468 times
- Has Liked: 190 times
Re: Russia Invades
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-russ ... s-12549418Top Claret wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:56 amThe only crock of crap is the crap you read and believe in your lefty woke rags
Yeah, Trump definitely would have sorted Putin out.
-
- Posts: 14571
- Joined: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:55 am
- Been Liked: 3437 times
- Has Liked: 6339 times
Re: Russia Invades
He's been planning this for years and Ukraine won't be the last one, he wants to rebuild/restore the boarders of the former USSR.
Russia has been paying off its debts, so any financial sanctions from the west won't bother them as much.
Countries like China and India will ignore western sanctions, they value Russia as a trading partner.
Russian Oil/Gas is a big stick for them to use when dealing with Europe/EU and they've done well manoeuvring themselves into that position.
Russia were never really dealt with after Crimea, so they basically tested the water and knew what they'd get away with and have now decided to go all in to take Ukraine.
Russia has been paying off its debts, so any financial sanctions from the west won't bother them as much.
Countries like China and India will ignore western sanctions, they value Russia as a trading partner.
Russian Oil/Gas is a big stick for them to use when dealing with Europe/EU and they've done well manoeuvring themselves into that position.
Russia were never really dealt with after Crimea, so they basically tested the water and knew what they'd get away with and have now decided to go all in to take Ukraine.
This user liked this post: tiger76
Re: Russia Invades
Exactly this , another right wing loon Farage also is a supporter of PutinKefkaClaret wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:34 amhttps://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-russ ... s-12549418
Yeah, Trump definitely would have sorted Putin out.
-
- Posts: 4388
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:09 pm
- Been Liked: 1826 times
- Has Liked: 930 times
Re: Russia Invades
Are you saying Russia has a legitimate reason to believe NATO aggression on Russian sovereign territory is likely or even possible under current treaty articles?CoolClaret wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:29 amNever condone war but ‘understand’ Putin’s concerns regards Ukraine/NATO
-
- Posts: 847
- Joined: Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:17 am
- Been Liked: 111 times
- Has Liked: 71 times
Re: Russia Invades
It has certainly helped that we've bent over for them to rodger us with that stick by choosing to rely on them for oil and gas instead of moving to renewable energy as a primary source of our needs. Oops.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:43 am...
Russian Oil/Gas is a big stick for them to use when dealing with Europe/EU and they've done well manoeuvring themselves into that position.
...
-
- Posts: 2237
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:37 am
- Been Liked: 1358 times
- Has Liked: 440 times
Re: Russia Invades
Tragic for the people of Ukraine, they must be absolutely terrified. I hope Europe (including the UK) does all it can to help resettle as many people as possible. There could be millions of refugees as a result of this and they will need help.
Hopefully the West hit Russia with crippling economic sanctions as a result of this.
Hopefully the West hit Russia with crippling economic sanctions as a result of this.
Re: Russia Invades
Oil was heading north of $100/b even without this situation, it’s just accelerated it.
Re: Russia Invades
Russian stock market is down 50% from yesterday.
Re: Russia Invades
On the plus side, if this ends in nuclear war, at least all those hours playing fall out 4 were not wasted.
Anyone know where I can get some radaway?
Anyone know where I can get some radaway?
These 3 users liked this post: PeterWilton CombatClaret GodIsADeeJay81