Sadly it looks like a game of who blinks first loses, both sides are taking horrendous casualties over a pointless city. I think Ukraine are gambling on the Russian offensive culminating soon as all attacks do eventually. Once that happens assuming they can I would imagine the plan would be to punch through and push them back.AlargeClaret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:47 pmMust say I’m suprised UKR are seemingly ? Sending more troops to hold Bakhmut ? The media and even the Russians seem to have all played down the actual significance of the town. Is this really a strategic town ? Or are UKR “simply “ holding the area before the serious ordnance and ammo arrives
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You can see how much its costing RussiaJarrowClaret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:03 pmSadly it looks like a game of who blinks first loses, both sides are taking horrendous casualties over a pointless city. I think Ukraine are gambling on the Russian offensive culminating soon as all attacks do eventually. Once that happens assuming they can I would imagine the plan would be to punch through and push them back.
Its absolutely no coincidence that we are seeing the 1960s and earlier tech in pics
They are running out of anything vaguely modern, and the Ukrainians haven't even got the Bradleys, Challengers, Abrahams or Leopards yet
I bet the Russian troops that aren't in Ukraine have been ruthlessly cannibalised of any remotely modern equipment
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AgreeJarrowClaret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:03 pmSadly it looks like a game of who blinks first loses, both sides are taking horrendous casualties over a pointless city. I think Ukraine are gambling on the Russian offensive culminating soon as all attacks do eventually. Once that happens assuming they can I would imagine the plan would be to punch through and push them back.
I also think they want the Russians to have to keep punching themselves out. There's next to no chance that Russia will push on after this, they'll take a break sit back and regroup.
The longer Ukraine can drag this out, the weaker Russia will be. With the new armaments, newly trained troops, Ukraine could push on themselves. Not around Bakhmut, but towards Savatove and cut the supply line for the Russian front line.
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100% the more they kill now the less they have to deal with when they go on the offensive in the next few weeks/ months. It is just senseless though I think both are losing more men a day than Britain did in the entirety of Iraq and Afghan combined.Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:32 pmYou can see how much its costing Russia
Its absolutely no coincidence that we are seeing the 1960s and earlier tech in pics
They are running out of anything vaguely modern, and the Ukrainians haven't even got the Bradleys, Challengers, Abrahams or Leopards yet
I bet the Russian troops that aren't in Ukraine have been ruthlessly cannibalised of any remotely modern equipment
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Oh, its quite completely bonkersJarrowClaret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:39 pm100% the more they kill now the less they have to deal with when they go on the offensive in the next few weeks/ months. It is just senseless though I think both are losing more men a day than Britain did in the entirety of Iraq and Afghan combined.
You always wondered when you read about Russian tactics in WWII that surely they can't be that bad and then you see them at Bakhmut and (especially) Vuledar
All I can think is that the pressure must be be putting on the Generals to keep advancing regardless, and as the quality of troops and equipment goes down, the casualties shoot up, and pressure intensives
Ukraine must be confident that their tactics are worth it though, or they would have withdrawn, they can afford to give up territory around there because the cities behind are just as fortified
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Apparently It’s not a pointless city, a report on Radio 4 stated that it’s the highest ground for some distance and also the roads that lead from and through it seem to be an important factor.JarrowClaret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:03 pmSadly it looks like a game of who blinks first loses, both sides are taking horrendous casualties over a pointless city. I think Ukraine are gambling on the Russian offensive culminating soon as all attacks do eventually. Once that happens assuming they can I would imagine the plan would be to punch through and push them back.
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https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/ ... 3684728834
Video of the Su-27 crashing into the US Drone
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Fair play to the pilot. Took some balls
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Not when they’ll arrest and torture your family if you refuse.
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Also how good a pilot are you really when you crash into something that could cause structural/fatal damage to your aircraft?
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Talking of planes, Slovakia has confirmed its sending 13 Mig-29s to Ukraine, on top of Poland sending 4 Mig-29s yesterday
Its actually a pretty good tactic of the weaker/smaller NATO members if we are being honest, as the US has surplus F-16s and the supply chain of Mig-29s parts and servicing is problematic (to put it mildly) going forward
Depending on how long the war goes on for, then over time you could see all ex-Warsaw Pact equipment held by NATO members going to Ukraine and replaced by more modern NATO equipment
Its actually a pretty good tactic of the weaker/smaller NATO members if we are being honest, as the US has surplus F-16s and the supply chain of Mig-29s parts and servicing is problematic (to put it mildly) going forward
Depending on how long the war goes on for, then over time you could see all ex-Warsaw Pact equipment held by NATO members going to Ukraine and replaced by more modern NATO equipment
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https://twitter.com/haskologlu/status/1 ... 6037078017
Turkey to ratify Finlands NATO membership
Sweden a bit more problematical, but Finland is the one that really shows just how much they have lost strategically
Turkey to ratify Finlands NATO membership
Sweden a bit more problematical, but Finland is the one that really shows just how much they have lost strategically
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For those in the know, how significant is this?Falcon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:34 pmArrest warrant issued for Putin
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64992727
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Not very Russia hasn’t signed up to the ICC and he can only get arrested if he travels to a country that has. I would imagine none of them will be on his travel itinerary for the foreseeable.
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Unlikely to have any real effects inside Russia, but it does mean that Putin is stuck in Russia for the rest of his life
That could have an effect, certainly if its widened to include more people close to him
They won't like being stuck in Russia and unable to do their foreign trips to spend their stolen cash
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Lancasterclaret
".... Putin is stuck in Russia for the rest of his life.."
Do you want a bet on that?
".... Putin is stuck in Russia for the rest of his life.."
Do you want a bet on that?
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I suppose it depends on how the war goes. I know if I were the next Russian to come into power, he'd either take a trip out of a window or I'd quickly hand him over to the Hague to get back into the good graces of the world, regardless of my own future plans.Pendle Bella wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:46 pmLancasterclaret
".... Putin is stuck in Russia for the rest of his life.."
Do you want a bet on that?
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Radizan Karadzic probably thought he was safe as well
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You didn't answer the question.
You didn't answer the question.
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he can't visit something like 122 countries that's for sure
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Well not 100% stuck, but as has been said 122 countries he cannot go to.Pendle Bella wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:46 pmLancasterclaret
".... Putin is stuck in Russia for the rest of his life.."
Do you want a bet on that?
Big propaganda blow for him.
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Think we’re all best not responding or engaging with certain posters on this thread if we want to keep it the brilliant source of information it has been.
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We can answer whoever as long as nobody gets angry and starts being nasty and calling names, everybody has opinions that they are entitled to, the majority of us won’t agree with pendle but it doesn’t mean that they can’t post relevant stuff if they wish.
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No need for bets the answer as I mentioned above is he can travel to any country that isn’t signed up with the ICC. Any other country he would be able to be arrested whether it would happen baring in mind he would have body guards etc is another matter.Pendle Bella wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:46 pmLancasterclaret
".... Putin is stuck in Russia for the rest of his life.."
Do you want a bet on that?
The issue for him is how long would he have body guards after he is no longer the Russian president.
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Putin will not survive not being Russian president.JarrowClaret wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:46 pmNo need for bets the answer as I mentioned above is he can travel to any country that isn’t signed up with the ICC. Any other country he would be able to be arrested whether it would happen baring in mind he would have body guards etc is another matter.
The issue for him is how long would he have body guards after he is no longer the Russian president.
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The USA aren't part of the ICC, they refuse to recognise it..JarrowClaret wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:46 pmNo need for bets the answer as I mentioned above is he can travel to any country that isn’t signed up with the ICC. Any other country he would be able to be arrested whether it would happen baring in mind he would have body guards etc is another matter.
The issue for him is how long would he have body guards after he is no longer the Russian president.
Putin to a ranch somewhere quiet?
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Putin to retire to Trump Tower?
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I take it that any trip abroad would require careful planning with regards to who's air space he travels through.
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Report in the Telegraph of the UKR using WWI maxim machine guns in the trenches ! Though with modern sights and relatively close range I bet they can still do some serious damage
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There was film of this on BBC News last night. Pic here near the bottom:AlargeClaret wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:56 pmReport in the Telegraph of the UKR using WWI maxim machine guns in the trenches ! Though with modern sights and relatively close range I bet they can still do some serious damage
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64955537
Reminded me of a Dad's Army episode where they went to the museum to get some weapons.
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https://twitter.com/KarolinaAHird/statu ... 4733898764
One of the ISW analysts pretty much saying that the Russian spring offensive is very close to running out of steam
I think its fair to say that its not achieved remotely close to even the most pessimistic of Russian forecasts
One of the ISW analysts pretty much saying that the Russian spring offensive is very close to running out of steam
I think its fair to say that its not achieved remotely close to even the most pessimistic of Russian forecasts
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If (and the pics and reports do suggests this) the Russians are using human wave attacks because of a combination of poor training and lacking equipment, then a Maxim machine gun will be just as effective against this in 2023 as it was in 2014AlargeClaret wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:56 pmReport in the Telegraph of the UKR using WWI maxim machine guns in the trenches ! Though with modern sights and relatively close range I bet they can still do some serious damage
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An incident has occurred in the northern region of Crimea, where an explosion destroyed missiles being transported by rail, according to Ukraine’s defence ministry.
The leader of the city of Dzhankoi, appointed by Russia, reported that the area experienced a drone attack.
Ukraine acknowledged the explosions, but did not explicitly claim responsibility for the incident. If verified, this would represent a rare action by Ukraine’s military in Crimea, an area occupied since 2014.
“The explosions continue the process of Russia’s demilitarisation and prepares the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea for de-occupation"
Reports are suggesting the missiles were Kalibr NK cruise missiles. An interesting development.
The leader of the city of Dzhankoi, appointed by Russia, reported that the area experienced a drone attack.
Ukraine acknowledged the explosions, but did not explicitly claim responsibility for the incident. If verified, this would represent a rare action by Ukraine’s military in Crimea, an area occupied since 2014.
“The explosions continue the process of Russia’s demilitarisation and prepares the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea for de-occupation"
Reports are suggesting the missiles were Kalibr NK cruise missiles. An interesting development.
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Sorry should have said I got the above from UK Defence Journal!!!1
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I presume you mean "1914"?Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:17 pmIf (and the pics and reports do suggests this) the Russians are using human wave attacks because of a combination of poor training and lacking equipment, then a Maxim machine gun will be just as effective against this in 2023 as it was in 2014
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Russia needed to push through much further by now. In a few months Ukraine will have firm ground and a lot of new toys with trained crews. What they've lacked is mobility which the new armour will give them.
Expect them to punch through a few spots in the line at which time the Russian line will crumble.
Expect them to punch through a few spots in the line at which time the Russian line will crumble.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65021987Corky wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:19 amAn incident has occurred in the northern region of Crimea, where an explosion destroyed missiles being transported by rail, according to Ukraine’s defence ministry.
The leader of the city of Dzhankoi, appointed by Russia, reported that the area experienced a drone attack.
Ukraine acknowledged the explosions, but did not explicitly claim responsibility for the incident. If verified, this would represent a rare action by Ukraine’s military in Crimea, an area occupied since 2014.
“The explosions continue the process of Russia’s demilitarisation and prepares the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea for de-occupation"
Reports are suggesting the missiles were Kalibr NK cruise missiles. An interesting development.
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Second video I have seen now that is similar to this Lancet I think detonating on or next to Stormer HVM:
https://twitter.com/squatsons/status/16 ... CA2SO0u6vg
This is a concern not in terms of the vehicle surviving in both occasions what I saw the vehicle still looked fine even with a direct hit. The issue seems to be seeing or engaging this type of drone I would be shocked if ADAD didn’t pick it up unless it isn’t working or not set up correctly (it used to Alert on birds it was that good). So for me either the crew missed it when alerted to it or engaged and missed no idea on the size of lancet but that is a possibility given the dart spread if it is a starstreak missile.
https://twitter.com/squatsons/status/16 ... CA2SO0u6vg
This is a concern not in terms of the vehicle surviving in both occasions what I saw the vehicle still looked fine even with a direct hit. The issue seems to be seeing or engaging this type of drone I would be shocked if ADAD didn’t pick it up unless it isn’t working or not set up correctly (it used to Alert on birds it was that good). So for me either the crew missed it when alerted to it or engaged and missed no idea on the size of lancet but that is a possibility given the dart spread if it is a starstreak missile.
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The soldier from NZ who rescued his Ukranian freind has been killed in battle according to this tweet.
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1 ... 9428308992
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1 ... 9428308992
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Or the vehicle has broken down and is awaiting recovery with no crew in it, hence no ADAD / engagement?JarrowClaret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:35 pmSecond video I have seen now that is similar to this Lancet I think detonating on or next to Stormer HVM:
https://twitter.com/squatsons/status/16 ... CA2SO0u6vg
This is a concern not in terms of the vehicle surviving in both occasions what I saw the vehicle still looked fine even with a direct hit. The issue seems to be seeing or engaging this type of drone I would be shocked if ADAD didn’t pick it up unless it isn’t working or not set up correctly (it used to Alert on birds it was that good). So for me either the crew missed it when alerted to it or engaged and missed no idea on the size of lancet but that is a possibility given the dart spread if it is a starstreak missile.
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https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1637 ... Gkg4Pp-4vg
Nice thread by Rob Lee on the strategic context of Bakhmut for both Ukr and Russia.
Nice thread by Rob Lee on the strategic context of Bakhmut for both Ukr and Russia.
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It's inventor is buried in West Norwood cemetery. Just in case you were wonderingLancasterclaret wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:17 pma Maxim machine gun will be just as effective against this in 2023 as it was in 2014
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A Maxim should be fine. M2 Brownings are still widely in use. Been modified a bit since 1918 but essentially the same.
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Zelensky is in Bakhmut, which does rather suggest that its quite easy to get in and out of, and that its probably not in any imminent danger of falling
Compare that to Putin turning up in Mariupol in the dead of night and only meeting what Russia claimed to be local residents but later turned out to be made up of mainly FSB operatives
Zelensky is in Bakhmut, which does rather suggest that its quite easy to get in and out of, and that its probably not in any imminent danger of falling
Compare that to Putin turning up in Mariupol in the dead of night and only meeting what Russia claimed to be local residents but later turned out to be made up of mainly FSB operatives
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It's going to be a hot knife and butter situation against modern western MBT's isnt it?Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:32 amhttps://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/statu ... 0534458368
As we are talking about old stuff........
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YesGodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:23 pmIt's going to be a hot knife and butter situation against modern western MBT's isnt it?
But imagine the crews, they know they are in death traps, so how keen are they going to be to take risks?
Not at all
Pretty sure the Slovakian T-55 given to Ukraine (which got modernised in the 2000s, and will be far more modernised than anything the Russia can put together) aren't on the front line but are up on the Belarus border
No one is under any illusions about the combat value of these tanks in 2023
They might be okay in a purely defensive role (hull down, firing at extreme range) but even then I'm not sure
I suspect they will be used as mobile artillery (as both sides are doing already)
But it has to be stated that after a year of war, Russia are actively bringing these tanks out of reserve to deal with the losses
I'm not up to date on Russian equipment stocks at all, but they must be running out of tanks to go down to this stage this quickly, and you do wonder just how long this can go on for
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