Russia Invades

[Billy Balfour]

Trump said the Russian move was genius, not that he supported it, he said it wouldn't have happened under his watch.

I'd love to see his plan, but we won't, because it's his usual BS that only clueless idiots lap up. Trump plays people like you, and I bet he gets a laugh out of it too.

[KRBFC]

He also sided with Russia over his own intelligence services on his calamitous trip to Helsinki. Even his own party was flipping out about that.

Trump knew he had to bite the bullet sometimes, he built a close relationship with Putin, a relationship that would've potentially benefitted the world right now.

[KRBFC]

I'd love to see his plan, but we won't, because it's his usual BS that only clueless idiots lap up. Trump plays people like you, and I bet he gets a laugh out of it too.

Now you're pretending I'm Trumps biggest fan and agree with him on everything, I certainly don't. Like I said I'm not a political sheep, I consider each situation differently and respond objectively.

[Billy Balfour]

I can't work out whether you're trolling or just bonkers. I'll leave it at that.

[PeterWilton]

Well you took words and spun it into pro Russian, what Trump actually said was Putin's strategy was genius, he never said he agreed with it and infact said it wouldn't have happened under his watch.

Wether you like or love Trump, lets at least not spin words, it helps nothing.

The part you highlighted is entirely accurate. He is pro-putin. And he is singing his praises. No one's said he agrees with it, just that he wouldn't do a thing to try and stop it. With respect, it is in fact you who are spinning other people's words.

[Vegas Claret]

Trump knew he had to bite the bullet sometimes, he built a close relationship with Putin, a relationship that would've potentially benefitted the world right now.

stick to football and scouting, with respect, it seems you have zero understanding of politics, Trump or Putin

[PeterWilton]

Trump knew he had to bite the bullet sometimes, he built a close relationship with Putin, a relationship that would've potentially benefitted the world right now.

Faced with a choice of believing every one of his own country's intelligence services that Putin interfered in the election, or believing Putin when he said "no we didn't", him taking the side of the enemy there is him merely "biting the bullet"?

You have to be trolling. Right? Right?


And how would the relationship benefit the world? Trump wanted to dismantle NATO. We wanted to refuse to commit US forces if a NATO country was attacked. You think this wouldn't happen? You're smoking way too much crack.

[KRBFC]

The part you highlighted is entirely accurate. He is pro-putin. And he is singing his praises. No one's said he agrees with it, just that he wouldn't do a thing to try and stop it. With respect, it is in fact you who are spinning other people's words.

Read his statement, pro Russian would suggest he agrees with the Ukraine invasion, he never said he did. That's not spin, that's just factual.

You're a brainwashed sheep who will give Trump 0 credit for anything.

[The Enclosure]

See that another interesting thread has descended into childish squabbling.

[PeterWilton]

Lithuania has declared a state of emergency.

[PeterWilton]

See that another interesting thread has descended into childish squabbling.

It's not childish squabbling. It's trying to engage certain types of people in a discussion based on their opinions, and them refusing to even try. It looks like squabbling because adults are trying to help children understand how they're clearly wrong and not getting through.

[Lancasterclaret]

It's not childish squabbling. It's trying to engage certain types of people in a discussion based on their opinions, and them refusing to even try. It looks like squabbling because adults are trying to help children understand how they're clearly wrong and not getting through.

But don't engage mate

Block

[PeterWilton]

But don't engage mate

Block

Oh that's right. We cancel them I forgot we can do that.

[TsarBomba]

Not verified at the moment, but 15 Russian tanks knocked out by Javelin in Sumy.

[PeterWilton]

Not verified at the moment, but 15 Russian tanks knocked out by Javelin in Sunny.

It's Zelenskyy, not Železný. Probably wasn't javelins.

[Lancasterclaret]

Not verified at the moment, but 15 Russian tanks knocked out by Javelin in Sumy.

The longer this goes on, the harder it will be for Putin to pretend that this is risk free for ordinary Russians

We can't forget that the vast majority of people being killed and injured here on both sides are completely blameless

War is s**t

[Stayingup]

It's not childish squabbling. It's trying to engage certain types of people in a discussion based on their opinions, and them refusing to even try. It looks like squabbling because adults are trying to help children understand how they're clearly wrong and not getting through.

Woah get you professor.!!!

[Vegas Claret]

I don't really understand Putin's strategy here. Doesn't particularly want NATO on his doorstep so invades the only real buffer zone (who were never going to join NATO). This is not going to end well for any of us

[Stayingup]

Trump.got cheesed off about NATO because some countries, notably German, paid relatively minor amounts into it compared to USA who contributed @ 4% of GDP.

[PeterWilton]

The longer this goes on, the harder it will be for Putin to pretend that this is risk free for ordinary Russians

We can't forget that the vast majority of people being killed and injured here on both sides are completely blameless

War is s**t

It doesn't really matter to Putin how many losses Russia take. It matters to our leaders because out leaders have to answer to the people. Putin doesn't.

[Buxtonclaret]

Trump knew he had to bite the bullet sometimes, he built a close relationship with Putin, a relationship that would've potentially benefitted the world right now.

Benefit the world?
Trumps only ever done anything to benefit himself. Period.
The thing he likes so much about Putin, is that he stays in power and, doesn't get elected out.
Something Trump tried, but thankfully failed, to rectify.
Though he's still working on it even now.

[CoolClaret]

Name some things he did.

I personally believe that the meeting with Kim and taking a step into North Korea was a great sign of strength and holding diplomacy talks was a great step forward.

Also, the peace treaty in the Middle East was the first step towards improving stability in that region - especially compared with the foreign policy of all his predecessors.

Taking out Soleimani as well with a precision strike with no civilian casualties.

Not to mention no wars, not ya know, carpet bombing Libya/arming ISIS/Al Qaeda/ Mujahaddin etc etc etc

To me, these are irrefutable.

[CoolClaret]

Benefit the world?
Trumps only ever done anything to benefit himself. Period.
The thing he likes so much about Putin, is that he stays in power and, doesn't get elected out.
Something Trump tried, but thankfully failed, to rectify.
Though he's still working on it even now.

Who cares if that’s his primary goal if the results are better.

I’ll personally take a crass president and mean tweets over a frigging War any day of the week.

[PeterWilton]

Trump.got cheesed off about NATO because some countries, notably German, paid relatively minor amounts into it compared to USA who contributed @ 4% of GDP.

lol. sure. That's what he was concerned about. NATO financing. Not because he was owned by Putin and got elected thanks to Putin, or because he gets his money from Russia (as stated by his sons). No. It was NATO financing that he was really concerned about.

[TsarBomba]

Fighting in the Chernobyl exclusion zone.

[Buxtonclaret]

Who cares if that’s his primary goal if the results are better.

I’ll personally take a crass president and mean tweets over a frigging War any day of the week.

You think Trump would stop at Tweets?
He's just another wannabe dictator with mental health problems.

[PeterWilton]

I personally believe that the meeting with Kim and taking a step into North Korea was a great sign of strength and holding diplomacy talks was a great step forward.

Also, the peace treaty in the Middle East was the first step towards improving stability in that region - especially compared with the foreign policy of all his predecessors.

Taking out Soleimani as well with a precision strike with no civilian casualties.

Not to mention no wars, not ya know, carpet bombing Libya/arming ISIS/Al Qaeda/ Mujahaddin etc etc etc

To me, these are irrefutable.

He got nothing from North Korea.
He got nothing for the Middle East.
And that assassination of the Iranian official was absolute insanity. The only reason that didn't lead to war with Iran is because Iran ****** up and shot down a Ukrainian passenger jet thinking it was a US military plane, forcing them to back down.

[Lowbankclaret]

Oh well, we just continue to send $1 billion to Russia each year then .

While we obsess about net zero and ignore the natural resources under our feet and worry about diesel-powered cars and vans. Putin is coining it in while his diesel-powered tanks roll into Ukraine.

They just said on Sky the world buys $700 million of oil and gas a DAY.

[PeterWilton]

Oh.



Ah. It's probably not a problem.

[BigChaCha]

And how would the relationship benefit the world? Trump wanted to dismantle NATO. We wanted to refuse to commit US forces if a NATO country was attacked. Do you think this wouldn't happen? You're smoking way too much crack.

You are making a lot of assumptions there, especially when so many respected political analysts well above your station, state that Trump was trying to leverage for more financial input from other countries to contribute to NATO with the statements that he made!...

You are falling for the typical Guardian headlines about Trump and the saying 'Do As They Say, Not As They Do' comes to mind in the blind perusal of Trump's statements. You are taking them too literally because he showed so many times, that it was a tactic to get his own way, which worked a lot, especially with trade with China...

He did this all the time and you have to look at his actions, not his words because he is always trying to leverage with his words.

Let's look at the facts... Under Obama, Putin invaded Crimea, along with the other endless conflicts around the world!... Under Biden, Putin is invading Ukraine!... Under Trump, we saw diddly squat from Putin and Trump also diffused the North Korea and Iran situations. There has never been a more peaceful time in recent times than under Trump!... Then there is Afghanistan... Look at how that fell apart as soon as Trump left and Biden took over!...

... Look, you can be as ideological as you like, or twist statements to fit a narrative but the fact is that the world was a much safer place under Trump! That's an indisputable fact whether you like it or not! It is also a fact that the predictions that many political analysts stated when Biden was elected, with his strings being pulled by Mrs Clinton and Mr Obama, that we would go back to endless conflicts is also proving to be true!

[Sottpark1 !]

Terrible that it has come to this , suspect only Russians suffering high casualties will have any effect , even in Russia their are many who don’t swallow the Putin lies despite being cowed,countries that share so much , families and so many other ties the truth will out , let’s see what Boris the appeaser comes up with tonight , after years of turning a blind eye to Russians buying up our capital,I suspect the Ukranian people will be disappointed , hopefully we can send a signal against Chelski a week on Saturday to their many supporters in Russia that some of us won’t turn a blind eye !

[PeterWilton]

You are making a lot of assumptions there, especially when so many respected political analysts well above your station, state that Trump was trying to leverage for more financial input from other countries to contribute to NATO with the statements that he made!...

Let's focus just on this for now, "well respected political analysts ... state that Trump was trying to leverage for more financial input from other countries".

Show me them.

[Stayingup]

Terrible that it has come to this , suspect only Russians suffering high casualties will have any effect , even in Russia their are many who don’t swallow the Putin lies despite being cowed,countries that share so much , families and so many other ties the truth will out , let’s see what Boris the appeaser comes up with tonight , after years of turning a blind eye to Russians buying up our capital,I suspect the Ukranian people will be disappointed , hopefully we can send a signal against Chelski a week on Saturday to their many supporters in Russia that some of us won’t turn a blind eye !

Oh yes we'll be right behind the Ukranians - cheering them on.

[claretonthecoast1882]

On a thread regarding something as serious as this can we not try to trigger turtle with comments about Trump.

It will end up locked or deleted.

[Stayingup]

lol. sure. That's what he was concerned about. NATO financing. Not because he was owned by Putin and got elected thanks to Putin, or because he gets his money from Russia (as stated by his sons). No. It was NATO financing that he was really concerned about.

Keep reading the beano pal. Its your level.

[PeterWilton]

Keep reading the beano pal. Its your level.

I hated the Beano.

[KRBFC]

He got nothing from North Korea.
He got nothing for the Middle East.
And that assassination of the Iranian official was absolute insanity. The only reason that didn't lead to war with Iran is because Iran ****** up and shot down a Ukrainian passenger jet thinking it was a US military plane, forcing them to back down.

Now you're just a biased sheep hater, you've been brainwashed into thinking everything Trump did was bad/wrong.

A complete waste of time to even attempt a debate when you're so brainwashed and narrowminded.

[aggi]

I don't really understand Putin's strategy here. Doesn't particularly want NATO on his doorstep so invades the only real buffer zone (who were never going to join NATO). This is not going to end well for any of us

I imagine the plan at some point is to install a pro-Russian regime to control Ukraine. That would then give a real buffer allied with Russia.

[CoolClaret]

He got nothing from North Korea.
He got nothing for the Middle East.
And that assassination of the Iranian official was absolute insanity. The only reason that didn't lead to war with Iran is because Iran ****** up and shot down a Ukrainian passenger jet thinking it was a US military plane, forcing them to back down.

It’s a start?

Nothing is better than losing something… Rome wasn’t built in a day.

Certainly better than handing over money and weapons to Iran like his predecessor!!

I’d prefer ‘nothing’ than wars mate but that’s just me

[Lancasterclaret]

I imagine the plan at some point is to install a pro-Russian regime to control Ukraine. That would then give a real buffer allied with Russia.

That first, then vote to reunite with Russia with some sort of fixed referendum

Nothing else makes any sense

Why risk a pro-Russian leader getting toppled again?

[Vegas Claret]

I imagine the plan at some point is to install a pro-Russian regime to control Ukraine. That would then give a real buffer allied with Russia.

but it wouldn't though in reality, we will now see a huge chunk of NATO's weaponry deployed much closer to Russia than ever before and when it comes to the numbers NATO obliterates Russia's capabilities. As it stands, the US alone has pretty much double the aerial firepower of Russia

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I hated the Beano.

Ah proof that you're a secret Russian agent, everyone liked the Beano

[PeterWilton]

Latvia have recalled their Ambassador to Russia and are suspending the issuance of visas to Russian citizens.

https://twitter.com/edgarsrinkevics/sta ... VtSfPfCP3A

[PeterWilton]

It’s a start?

Nothing is better than losing something… Rome wasn’t built in a day.

Certainly better than handing over money and weapons to Iran like his predecessor!!

I’d prefer ‘nothing’ than wars mate but that’s just me

That money you're saying Obama "handed over" already belonged to Iran. Obama literally gave Iran their own money in exchange for them ending their nuclear program. That's an amazing deal. lol.

They were verifiably complying with it when Trump tore it up and got nothing in return except a extra few cheers at his rallies.

[CoolClaret]

That money you're saying Obama "handed over" already belonged to Iran. Obama literally gave Iran their own money in exchange for them ending their nuclear program. That's an amazing deal. lol.

They were verifiably complying with it when Trump tore it up and got nothing in return except a extra few cheers at his rallies.

Let’s not derail this into a Trump thread - it’s clear you can’t even give merit for good things so it’s a waste of time.

Hoping that civilian losses are minimal and that the Ukrainians hang in there

[PeterWilton]

[Lancasterclaret]

Those of you on twitter can see "Russian precision strikes" from the air on a house with a family in it

I think its safe to say that in the phone camera age, the Russian way of dealing with anything is going to be broadcast all over the world

I'm not sharing it btw, I've seen it once and that is more than enough

[RingoMcCartney]

U.S. military forces were at war for all eight years of Obama’s tenure, the first two-term president with that "distinction".

He launched airstrikes or military raids in at least seven countries:

Afghanistan,

Iraq,

Syria,

Libya,

Yemen,

Somalia

and Pakistan.

[PeterWilton]

Let’s not derail this into a Trump thread - it’s clear you can’t even give merit for good things so it’s a waste of time.

Hoping that civilian losses are minimal and that the Ukrainians hang in there

Earlier in this thread someone deliberately misinterpreted something you said to portray you negatively so i would expect you to not deliberately misinterpret my views either. I can give Trump credit for good things he did, if he did good things. I'm saying those good things don't exist.

[RVclaret]

Latvia have recalled their Ambassador to Russia and are suspending the issuance of visas to Russian citizens.

https://twitter.com/edgarsrinkevics/sta ... VtSfPfCP3A

This should be happening in every country in Europe right now