https://twitter.com/genermo/status/1551 ... SyytEkRxPg

Wow no wonder there weapons have a huge failure rate surely there would be more like this as well supposed to be precision engineering crazy

Damo wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:15 am

This thread is so ridiculously one sided.
It's like cops and robbers. One side is completely good and one side completely bad. Ying v yang
It amazes me how so many seemingly intelligent people, are so completely brain washed by the people they follow on twitter.
Madness

One side bombs schools,hospitals,houses,trains, shopping centres,moves entire populations into the invading country, one side doesn't. What is your point ?

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 24, 2022 9:08 pm

When I suggested that a few days back, you said he wouldn't.....

The only thing we can be sure of, where Putin is concerned, is that you cannot trust him as far as you could spit. Bartering with him is a pointless exercise, which is why Macron needs to stop talking to him. The only thing it signifies to Moscow, is that they are getting to us.

NATO should step in and provide a Naval escort for the grain ships, and defend them from any attack. So long as they don't dock in Ukraine, Putin might not like it, but there is very little he could do about it. The West just have to point out they are making sure that HIS agreement is honoured.

Had a think about this overnight (yeah, in that bid where the light is turned off and you eventually fall asleep, and that including wondering way too much about how we are going to do on Friday!) and I think this may be a one off attack on the grain ports

Just to show to the internal and international community that Russia does what it wants, when it wants

But I don't think he'll attack the grain ports or the ships

Course, I might be wrong, but the political capital he's gained by signing this deal (not a lot, but he needs all he can get) would be far outweighed by any detrimental actions against it

Damo wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:15 am

This thread is so ridiculously one sided.
It's like cops and robbers. One side is completely good and one side completely bad. Ying v yang
It amazes me how so many seemingly intelligent people, are so completely brain washed by the people they follow on twitter.
Madness

The stuff coming out of Russian sources is pure propaganda, and of very limited value if you want a rational view of the conflict

Most recent example is the parade of destroyed/captured Ukrainian equipment at Sierverdonestk - quite a lot of it was proved by pics of when the Russians originally claimed they were destroyed to have happened earlier, and in different parts of the front

Its very hard not to post the Ukrainian, or Western sources, or various expert accounts who clearly know what they are talking about

I don't tend to post direct Ukrainian government accounts because I think that is propaganda as well (though they do have some excellent ones on the actual action) and the key is finding interesting articles that are basically worth reading

What I would say is that there is no "good" ending here, there are just variations of "bad"

As I've said a couple of times on here, Russia invaded Ukraine changes everything for us in the West, and not in a good way, and that won't change even if Ukraine manages to fight off the Russians

So we are stuck with this until it ends, and the least worst result is Ukraine fighting off the Russians

The worst result, and one that will affect us the most, would be a Russian occupation of Ukraine

Its unfortunately going to affect us for a fair while, whatever happens

Positive side of this war is that Europe is now having to take a more sensible approach to nett zero





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Damo wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:15 am

This thread is so ridiculously one sided.
It's like cops and robbers. One side is completely good and one side completely bad. Ying v yang
It amazes me how so many seemingly intelligent people, are so completely brain washed by the people they follow on twitter.
Madness

Hard to be impartial tbf Damo. But I think the contributors (bar a couple of halfwits) have steered clear of the flag-wagging drivel in what passes for our free press.

There is an alternative view around....that the Ukraine and some of its "allies" aren't entirely whiter than white in all this, but that view is almost utterly unrepresented in our media...so not really easy to access.

Sure there's naivety here at times, and a lot of excited juvenile squealing, and pants-wetting excitement that can irritate..but its well-meant, and in the main its not politically driven.

Damo wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:15 am

This thread is so ridiculously one sided.
It's like cops and robbers. One side is completely good and one side completely bad. Ying v yang
It amazes me how so many seemingly intelligent people, are so completely brain washed by the people they follow on twitter.
Madness

One side chose to start a war and randomly attacked a neighbour who really weren't interested in fighting and that has caused catastrophic ripples around the whole world. Consequently I find my sympathies lie accordingly.

I appreciate that some people deliberately try not to follow the common line of thinking and we need people to question things. But this really is quite straightforward for the reasons Dark Cloud sets out.

I think what is worth mentioning as well is that Russia is not a nice place

Its not a democracy, its got a huge secret (and not so secret) police force and there is not a free press or an independent judiciary

Ukraine still has a long way to go to be an established fully fledged democracy as well, but its had two elections now where the defeated party has voluntary given up power, and its wants to be in the EU and aligned to the West, rather than be an autocratic state aligned to Russia

That doesn't mean we fight for them, but it does mean that we should be helping them in anyway we can short of fighting for them, and it is important to remember that Ukraine was invaded with zero justification against all the rules of the world order, and for better or for worse, they are worth upholding or its a free for all for all the big countries in the world that don't like their smaller neighbours

Damo wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:15 am

This thread is so ridiculously one sided.
It's like cops and robbers. One side is completely good and one side completely bad. Ying v yang
It amazes me how so many seemingly intelligent people, are so completely brain washed by the people they follow on twitter.
Madness

So what is your take on what is actually happening out in the Ukrainian seeing as you are in the know?

Well that wasn't a shock....

All round one of the heavier days of losses yesterday, including 180 troops, 1 plane, 3 anti-aircraft systems, 9 vehicles/fuel tanks, 16 tanks/apvs, 5 drones.

All according to Ukraine of course. Rarely see quite so much activity.

UK saying intelligence has located a vehicle repair centre 10km from the Ukrainian border with 300 vehicles. They should make that a priority but presumably cannot use HIMARS to hit it.

There are plenty of pro Russian posters on Twitter if you care to look for them, whether they are just Russian bots or not is another issue.

Hipper wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 24, 2022 6:55 am

It was always about Russia in whatever guise - even in the days of the Tsars.

Few nations have been allied more to the Western Powers than Russia. Prior to Lenin only Russian attempts to seize Crimea saw us on opposite sides. The Triple Entente was the single biggest reason Britain got involved in WW1, without it Germany would not have had to threaten our Naval dominance, and without it have probably sided with our Prussian allies.

The British navy shared knowledge and expertise with Russia (and ports) on the Black Sea)from Peter the Great’s time until the Bolshevik revolution.

… in fact we have fought the USA more often than we’ve fought Russia and France far more.

NEXTA: The EU through the European Investment Bank has allocated €1 billion to Ukraine, another €590 million will be transferred later, the European Commission said.

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/155 ... O2V6rqjxqw

China abandons all new investment in Russia as they are concerned about western sanctions.

Russia now weak on all fronts with the Ukrainian offensive underway.

China could march into the Eastern Siberian oil fields. Now that would be a major blow for Russia and possibly the end of Putin.

bfcjg wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 23, 2022 11:33 am

Very interesting, such a modest laid back blokecas well.

Part 2 and 3 released today on utube. Great listening to them.

He went back to America with a bruised brain. Needs a couple of months recovery before he goes back.

There is a video of what I think is him firing a Javelin on the dirty dozen on Twitter.

Link to video

https://twitter.com/riprawlings/status/ ... XDrKOoOX2Q

Link to speak the truth.

https://youtu.be/VmLmS9kcWIE

Damo wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:15 am

This thread is so ridiculously one sided.
It's like cops and robbers. One side is completely good and one side completely bad. Ying v yang
It amazes me how so many seemingly intelligent people, are so completely brain washed by the people they follow on twitter.
Madness

Agree, videos of Russian soldiers being tortured and shot is just propaganda, videos of Ukrainian soldiers being tortured and shot is war crimes.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:36 pm

Agree, videos of Russian soldiers being tortured and shot is just propaganda, videos of Ukrainian soldiers being tortured and shot is war crimes.

I presume you are both referencing the ‘discussion’ - that is not the thread: The thread offers up to date information by military specialists and in most cases are linked and quoted directly here. There are plenty of examples of Russia’s own footage… try looking at Rob Lee, and the two major World (independent) Newsgencies - Reuters, NEXTA…

It’s a news/information based thread and in the most part impeccably sourced… and FACTUAL

Damo wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:15 am

This thread is so ridiculously one sided.
It's like cops and robbers. One side is completely good and one side completely bad. Ying v yang
It amazes me how so many seemingly intelligent people, are so completely brain washed by the people they follow on twitter.
Madness

Clearly you do not bother doing much research to form your opinions… The people quoted on here are serious academics, experts and international news agencies. Your post is nonsense.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:36 pm

Agree, videos of Russian soldiers being tortured and shot is just propaganda, videos of Ukrainian soldiers being tortured and shot is war crimes.

I am not sure anyone has put that forward as a thing.
All the videos I have linked I have put a warning on.
All deaths are sad, but one side attacked the other, the attacking side has made it very clear they will attack many more countries once they take Ukraine.
I have followed this war very intentLy. I have seen videos of Ukrainians tied up and shot. Not seen any thing like that happening to Russians.
History tells us we need to stop this in Ukraine or it’s WW3 next.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-26/ ... /101267530

Analysis of what the grain deal means for both sides

Guys, Damo is sound, he's just very worried about the war and the effects it will have on this country and the economy

And like everyone, he's worried about it getting a lot worse (he's posted about it numerous times on this thread)

Its a perfectly sensible and legitimate point of view to have that and I do share a lot of his concerns

Only difference really is that this kind of stuff has fascinated me since I was about six and still does

Another interesting take.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/himars-could- ... 00042.html

NEXTA: Germany handed over to Ukraine promised Mars-II multiple rocket launchers and three PzH2000 self-propelled howitzers.

German Defense Ministry

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/155 ... HEUrTTU-cw

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:14 pm

NEXTA: Germany handed over to Ukraine promised Mars-II multiple rocket launchers and three PzH2000 self-propelled howitzers.

German Defense Ministry

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/155 ... HEUrTTU-cw

Germany offers lots but delivers little

Top Claret wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:18 pm

Germany offers lots but delivers little

These are the same kit they have promised several times, the only difference is they are now saying Ukraine have received them, so hopefully they have finally got around to fulfilling the ongoing promise.

bfcjg wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:18 am

Another interesting take.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/himars-could- ... 00042.html

So, based on that article, Russia are facing more stress on their logistical operations because Ukraine now has a further reach with their modern artillery and are also able to make the Russians operate "in the dark" by smashing their radars etc.

If they can keep those bridges out of action, along with everything else they've been doing, they've got a real chance of taking back Kherson which would be embarrassing for Russia, yes?

https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/russi ... 52799.html
More comments on Russia's fragile economy.

BBC W NEWS: Russia to pull out of International Space Station

https://twitter.com/bbcworld/status/155 ... HEUrTTU-cw

Phillips OBrien: The first detailed academic paper Ive seen about the impact of economic sanctions on the Russian economy. Summarized in one word--'crippling'. Cuts through alot of the BS that is out there about oil sales and the value of the ruble.

https://twitter.com/phillipspobrien/sta ... HEUrTTU-cw

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:10 pm

BBC W NEWS: Russia to pull out of International Space Station

https://twitter.com/bbcworld/status/155 ... HEUrTTU-cw

Best bit about that is their intention to build their own space station

Not only can they not afford it, but they won't have the sophisticated electronical equipment to run it, or even build it

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:14 pm

Best bit about that is their intention to build their own space station

Not only can they not afford it, but they won't have the sophisticated electronical equipment to run it, or even build it

And two crazy Ukrainians with a home made hobby rocket would figure out a way to drop a grenade on it if the Russians did manage to build it.

BBC reported that Russia has put the Isle of Man on its list of unfriendly countries.

https://yale.app.box.com/s/xz8ursbd6yss ... vnl9eeicte

One of the links in that economic report makes very sobering reading for the Russians

83% of their natural gas market is Europe, but only 46% of Europes natural gas market is from Russia, and that is dropping significantly all the time

They really can't turn the taps off

Volvoclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:43 pm

BBC reported that Russia has put the Isle of Man on its list of unfriendly countries.

I did that years ago.

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:12 pm

Phillips OBrien: The first detailed academic paper Ive seen about the impact of economic sanctions on the Russian economy. Summarized in one word--'crippling'. Cuts through alot of the BS that is out there about oil sales and the value of the ruble.

https://twitter.com/phillipspobrien/sta ... HEUrTTU-cw

What I couldn't find in the paper is any attempt to describe what 'economic oblivion' means.

The Darker side of Ukraine, possibly war related shortages, but simply not good enough.

BBC World News
Kids tied up and men in cots in Ukraine orphanages

https://twitter.com/bbcworld/status/155 ... HEUrTTU-cw

Hipper wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 26, 2022 6:29 pm

What I couldn't find in the paper is any attempt to describe what 'economic oblivion' means.

Me neither, but there is possibly a technical definition being used. Answers on a postcard time.

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:14 pm

Best bit about that is their intention to build their own space station

Not only can they not afford it, but they won't have the sophisticated electronical equipment to run it, or even build it

They're still using a lot of Cold War, Soviet era stuff aren't they?

I am in contact with a Russian online, she said she hates the Russian aggression. I could ask her for more info on the state of things over there but am a bit wary as I don't want to get her into trouble, you don't know who maybe monitoring her communications.

Volvoclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:43 pm

BBC reported that Russia has put the Isle of Man on its list of unfriendly countries.

Tremble, tremble

Gaia wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:06 pm

I am in contact with a Russian online, she said she hates the Russian aggression. I could ask her for more info on the state of things over there but am a bit wary as I don't want to get her into trouble, you don't know who maybe monitoring her communications.

If this is true, please tell her from me, that most people don't see this as a fight against Russia, but a fight against Putin's regime.

More reports of HIMARS strikes on the bridges over the Dnieper around Kherson

I understand from a political point of view that Russia wants to hold on to territory, but it could close down the entire from the sea to practically the Donbass by pulling its forces out of Kherson and just holding the line of the River

I guess its politically unthinkable but it would make a huge difference to their ability to defend, and severely limit where Ukraine could attack

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:55 pm

More reports of HIMARS strikes on the bridges over the Dnieper around Kherson

I understand from a political point of view that Russia wants to hold on to territory, but it could close down the entire from the sea to practically the Donbass by pulling its forces out of Kherson and just holding the line of the River

I guess its politically unthinkable but it would make a huge difference to their ability to defend, and severely limit where Ukraine could attack

Agreed they could come up with the same crap as with Kyiv withdrawing as a good will gesture and save most of the forces and equipment. I suspect what we will see a gradual draining of there resources the bridges hit so many times that they can’t be crossed and then some mad failed attempts to withdraw over temp bridges whilst under fire with massive losses.

JarrowClaret wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:35 pm

Agreed they could come up with the same crap as with Kyiv withdrawing as a good will gesture and save most of the forces and equipment. I suspect what we will see a gradual draining of there resources the bridges hit so many times that they can’t be crossed and then some mad failed attempts to withdraw over temp bridges whilst under fire with massive losses.

Surely they will pull out before then

If they try that stunt then they risk a total collapse

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:47 pm

Surely they will pull out before then

If they try that stunt then they risk a total collapse

Have Russia strengthened troops in Kherson? Could end really badly for them if they have & they get cut off.

You have to wonder about the morale of their troops. Can they risk massive casualties in Kherson?

For me it is clear that up to the Dnipra is pretty much already lost it was as soon as HIMARS and whatever else started hitting HQs and Ammo dumps. They should pull out what they can and get across to more defendable area totally blow the bridges after you are over and pick the Ukrainians off as they try and cross. But will they?