How more morally bankrupt can Putin get? He's ordered schools to give pupils lessons in how to fire Kalashnikovs.

Volvoclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 14, 2022 12:29 pm

How more morally bankrupt can Putin get? He's ordered schools to give pupils lessons in how to fire Kalashnikovs.

I honestly don't think he's pulling the strings anymore. It strikes me Putin has seriously weakened his authority with this whole botched "operation" and that guy in charge of the Wagner group (for one) is probably wielding much more power and making far more important decisions than Vlad these days.

Elbarad wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:51 am

I’m going to raise my hand. I didn’t think it possible but it looks right now anyway that the Russians did a good job of pulling off the withdraw without it turning into a rout...

My suspicion is that some deal was struck to allow them to withdraw.

Dark Cloud wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:03 pm

I honestly don't think he's pulling the strings anymore. It strikes me Putin has seriously weakened his authority with this whole botched "operation" and that guy in charge of the Wagner group (for one) is probably wielding much more power and making far more important decisions than Vlad these days.

Might be worth you reading if you haven't already:

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgr ... ovember-12

It talk's about an ideological fracture between pro-war figures and Russian President Vladimir Putin, eroding confidence in Putin’s commitment and ability to deliver his war promises.

Back to cowardly barbaric sub human tactics.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-asia-63593855

The attacks today were a “response” to a political speech addressed to world leaders by ukraines president. Pitiful and vile by the Russians. Those fence sitting third world countries should be ashamed.
Ps for any plane spotters a Qatari C17 has just flown over Rishton on way in to Wharton. Quite a sight!

Volvoclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 14, 2022 12:29 pm

How more morally bankrupt can Putin get? He's ordered schools to give pupils lessons in how to fire Kalashnikovs.

Don't we still have cadet training at schools, not to mention the ATC, Sea Cadets and Army Cadets? I was in The ATC aged 14 and we learnt to fire .303 Lee Enfields.

Hipper wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 15, 2022 3:36 pm

Don't we still have cadet training at schools, not to mention the ATC, Sea Cadets and Army Cadets? I was in The ATC aged 14 and we learnt to fire .303 Lee Enfields.

Yes, but I’m not sure you can compare the two tbh.
Teaching kids at school how to fire automatic weapons whilst their armed forces are mercilessly killing their neighbours is a bit different to voluntarily joining your local armed forces cadets don’t you think?

Hipper wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 15, 2022 3:36 pm

Don't we still have cadet training at schools, not to mention the ATC, Sea Cadets and Army Cadets? I was in The ATC aged 14 and we learnt to fire .303 Lee Enfields.

Yes, but only in private or grammar schools (I was in the Army cadets at LRGS)

Firing Lee Enfields is one thing, but the only time I ever fired anything remotely like an AK-47 was in an actual army camp in Okehampton (SA80, and even then only on single shot)

Hipper wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 15, 2022 3:36 pm

Don't we still have cadet training at schools, not to mention the ATC, Sea Cadets and Army Cadets? I was in The ATC aged 14 and we learnt to fire .303 Lee Enfields.

Fired those myself, Hipper.
In the ATC in the late 60s. We were told they were actual WW1 guns.

An interesting analysis of the southern front.

https://youtu.be/K9JfO_mI4oQ

Oh ****

Stray Russians missiles hit a Polish farm, killing two Poles

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1 ... 1911330816

2 missiles from Russia landed in poland today and kille two poles. This could now get very ugly ..

Confirmed by the Americans now that this happened

Very close to an airstrip just over the border in ukraine that may have been the target

well, that's the red line crossed intentional or not

Just read about the Polish incident no doubt Russia will say Ukraine did it. This is an attack on NATO country could history repeat itself re the 2nd World War and the attack on Poland then brought Britain and others in.

bfcjg wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:07 pm

Just read about the Polish incident no doubt Russia will say Ukraine did it. This is an attack on NATO country could history repeat itself re the 2nd World War and the attack on Poland then brought Britain and others in.

If Russia has any brains at all, they will apologise and offer compensation

Course, they haven't used their brains yet

Of all the NATO countries to hit unintentionally, then Poland would be the worse one to hit

Don't think there will be much of a response from NATO, but a contrite Russia would certainly help

I think it will be proportional upped military support and potentially longer ranged missiles to Poland, Estonia and Lithuania have already said they will support what ever action poland deems necessary, those Baltic states really hate those ruzzians

And of course, it is possible that its an Ukrainian air defense missile that has fallen just in the wrong place

bfcjg wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:07 pm

Just read about the Polish incident no doubt Russia will say Ukraine did it. This is an attack on NATO country could history repeat itself re the 2nd World War and the attack on Poland then brought Britain and others in.

I hope not. It will be put down as accidental. NATO just needs to keep it's head and continue to wear down Putin.

https://www.globalfirepower.com/country ... _id=poland
Guide to their strength. Russia and her one allie could soon be really up against it.

On mainstream news now,

Pentagon reporting on C-SPAN that they can't confirm the reports as yet

Just heard this. I'm hoping, very desperately, that this was an accident. In all honesty, I suspect it was (obviously without any proof). If Putin starts attacking Poland then things are going to get even grimmer.

ecc wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:35 pm

Just heard this. I'm hoping, very desperately, that this was an accident. In all honesty, I suspect it was (obviously without any proof). If Putin starts attacking Poland then things are going to get even grimmer.

100% an accident

The Russians are getting their arses kicked by an army with what is essentially 1980s Warsaw Pact and NATO equipment (plus some HIMARS)

And they will know NATOs strength is in the air, and the Russian air force has completely failed to achieve anything in Ukraine

Article five calls for all needed support to deter or protect a nato member , it does not specifically call for military direct action and article 4 would probably be activated first. Flight tracker shows a hell of a lot of plane activity on the border with Belarus and russia now, probably a defensive pre caution, need cool heads in next 24 hours

https://twitter.com/YWNReporter/status/ ... 5906083840

Russians say its a provocation

NATO AWACS and ISR aircraft will know exactly what caused this, so either Russia is continuing its dumb as f**k decision making of 2022 or they are very sure its not them

China didn’t declare war when the US bombed their embassy in Belgrade. NATO won’t suddenly kick off over the sad death of 2 farmers (even if Russian missile and not a Ukr S300).

A good example of why these things aren’t judged by professionals by what’s written on football message boards!

https://twitter.com/YWNReporter/status/ ... 5906083840

First look does suggest its the remains of an S-300 SAM missile

Course, it wouldn't have to be fired if the Russians didn't attack Ukrainian infrastructure this close to the Polish border

The Polish apparently just said they are readying their military and are deciding on their response

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 15, 2022 3:57 pm

Yes, but only in private or grammar schools (I was in the Army cadets at LRGS)

Firing Lee Enfields is one thing, but the only time I ever fired anything remotely like an AK-47 was in an actual army camp in Okehampton (SA80, and even then only on single shot)

Likely to have been .22 SA80 as well not the proper 1. Anyway just to add Cadets is not about teaching someone to be a soldier or to prepare someone to go to war anybody who thinks that is very deluded. It is more about discipline, team bonding and mostly having fun.

JarrowClaret wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:23 pm

Likely to have been .22 SA80 as well not the proper 1. Anyway just to add Cadets is not about teaching someone to be a soldier or to prepare someone to go to war anybody who thinks that is very deluded. It is more about discipline, team bonding and mostly having fun.

Not for me!

Up to the age of 13 all I wanted to do was join the army, a year in the cadets finished that sadly

Camp was good though

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:29 pm

Camp was good though

Shut that door!

Ooh you are awful.

Sounding like a Ukrainian air defense missile now.

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:29 pm

Not for me!

Up to the age of 13 all I wanted to do was join the army, a year in the cadets finished that sadly

Camp was good though

Did you ever repeatedly sweep a floor? If not, then being in the cadets isn’t like being in the Forces!

Elbarad wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 16, 2022 3:10 am

Sounding like a Ukrainian air defense missile now.

Ok, I’ll climb out of my bunker and get back to watching repeats of Sunday’s game.

box_of_frogs wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:06 am

Did you ever repeatedly sweep a floor? If not, then being in the cadets isn’t like being in the Forces!

Nah, its was a school thing so a hour of drill after school and the occasional trip out at weekends and stuff

Its wasn't the stuff being done that put me off, it was the people I was at school with

NottsClaret wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:51 am

Ok, I’ll climb out of my bunker and get back to watching repeats of Sunday’s game.

Oooh, look at this, Notts has his own bunker

Flashy git

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:58 am

Oooh, look at this, Notts has his own bunker

Flashy git

Just like Del and Rodney's. Does this look secure to you Lancaster?

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:12 pm

If Russia has any brains at all, they will apologise and offer compensation

Course, they haven't used their brains yet

Of all the NATO countries to hit unintentionally, then Poland would be the worse one to hit

Don't think there will be much of a response from NATO, but a contrite Russia would certainly help

They are denying it!!!

NottsClaret wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:04 am

Just like Del and Rodney's. Does this look secure to you Lancaster?


ep6.4.jpeg

Looks more secure than those Russian Pillboxes that you see

Apparently China and India are distancing themselves from Russia. Stop buying the oil and gas would finish the war though, Putin would be bankrupt.

Not before time if that is the case.

As you were, chaps. Missile attack in Poland likely to be an ‘accident’ by the Ukrainian air defense, says Warsaw. Well I never!

bfcjg wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:17 am

Apparently China and India are distancing themselves from Russia. Stop buying the oil and gas would finish the war though, Putin would be bankrupt.

Not going to happen, they are getting Russian oil and gas at very cheap rates

But they will be putting pressure on about ending the war, especially after what might have happened last night

Course, whether Russia will listen when its still in complete denial about the reality of the war is key

I don't think they are there or anywhere near that yet

dermotdermot wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 16, 2022 1:48 pm

As you were, chaps. Missile attack in Poland likely to be an ‘accident’ by the Ukrainian air defense, says Warsaw. Well I never!

Sky news will be gutted..

dermotdermot wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 16, 2022 1:48 pm

As you were, chaps. Missile attack in Poland likely to be an ‘accident’ by the Ukrainian air defense, says Warsaw. Well I never!

Ah...so that's a Ukranian military strike on a NATO member. No doubt Poland will invoke article 5.

No I'm not writing Putin's propaganda, it's just an acknowledgement that we're living in dangerous times and all leaders need to keep clear heads and hope there are no knee jerk reactions.

Claret Toni wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:47 pm

Ah...so that's a Ukranian military strike on a NATO member. No doubt Poland will invoke article 5.

No I'm not writing Putin's propaganda, it's just an acknowledgement that we're living in dangerous times and all leaders need to keep clear heads and hope there are no knee jerk reactions.

Well, no

Its an Ukrainian S-300 SAM missile, fired only because Ukraine is being attacked by Russian missiles in revenge for Russia losing yet another battle on the ground in Ukraine

You are quite right that its dangerous times, but launching missiles to attack non-military targets close to the Polish border is very provocative by Russia, and quite in keeping with the lunacy of this entire sorry episode

I don't worry about the reactions of NATO btw, I worry about the hotheads and fanatics in the Kremlin who are happily swallowing the propaganda they have been fed for decades and haven't worked out yet how badly they are off compared to NATO

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:58 am

Oooh, look at this, Notts has his own bunker

Flashy git