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Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 5:44 am
by Loyalclaret
Left Phuket a few days ago, should be called mini-Moscow, the hotels/streets/restaurants/bars are full of Russians that didn’t seem to be concerned about their country being involved in a war.
An Australian family started chatting in the pool, said we were the first non-Russian speaking people they’d seen in the hotel in 8 days.
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:28 am
by Corky
Pendle Bella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:26 pm
The war in Ukraine was planned by the United States/Uk/Nato well before any Russian boot stepped over the border in 2022!
Please tell what country Russia are planning to pop into next.
NATO have always planned for a war with Russia and given the strategic position of the Ukraine there has always been a possibility that fighting would take place around that region. However NATO strategists have always and I mean always planned for a defensive action against a Russian aggressor. For instance the plan for the BAOR was always to have a fluid defence in depth, to hold the Russians for as long as possible to allow reinforcements to arrive from the USA to, hopefully, avoid having to us tactical nuclear weapons. But you knew that, right.
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:53 am
by AlargeClaret
Goalposts wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 12:48 pm
It’s been geoconfirmed as Wagner forces and there are two UKR soilders who they behead. Genuinely horrific on an isis scale.. its possible that as its Wagner putin may use it as leverage to arrest those Wagner involved.. but in truth that’s what happens when rapists , murderers , and total physcopaths are recruited from prisons and mental institutions…
While your point is totally valid , weren’t there the same type of appalling vids circulating earlier in the war with UKR beheading captured Russians ? Though horrific don’t forget the western propaganda is just as one sided ( and often as farcical ) as the Russian . There’s no winners in this war .
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 8:02 am
by GodIsADeeJay81
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 9:34 am
by Lancasterclaret
AlargeClaret wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:53 am
While your point is totally valid , weren’t there the same type of appalling vids circulating earlier in the war with UKR beheading captured Russians ? Though horrific don’t forget the western propaganda is just as one sided ( and often as farcical ) as the Russian . There’s no winners in this war .
I don't think you can fully understand the depth and breadth of Russian propaganda and disinformation videos
They have been spreading this kind of stuff for decades, and it is aimed squarely at the those in the West who are inclined to believe absolutely anything that isn't from what they call the MSM
Like anything, once you set your mind in a certain way (and that is exactly the point of disinformation and propaganda) then its very hard to change it
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 9:46 am
by JarrowClaret
Was widely reported at the time Ben Wallace briefed on it. He said that the SU27 had released a missile and it failed and had been assured by the Russians that it was a mistake. It is the reason that the RCs are now escorted by Typhoons and I’m not sure this “leak” truly gives anything new on this incident.
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 10:56 am
by Lancasterclaret
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 11:16 am
by AlargeClaret
Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 9:34 am
I don't think you can fully understand the depth and breadth of Russian propaganda and disinformation videos
They have been spreading this kind of stuff for decades, and it is aimed squarely at the those in the West who are inclined to believe absolutely anything that isn't from what they call the MSM
Like anything, once you set your mind in a certain way (and that is exactly the point of disinformation and propaganda) then its very hard to change it
Can’t argue with Russian “day to day” propaganda it is indeed breathtaking and its rejection of the west and chest thumping rhetoric almost as comical as it is dangerous. Those chat shows they have are beyond satire .
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 11:22 am
by Tribesmen
Hey where was he trained ?
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 6:34 pm
by Lancasterclaret
https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1646565673705799695
Turkish made Otokar Cobra II AVs on their way to Ukraine
Turkey is absolute desperate for cash, and Ukraine (or rather the West) has rather a lot of it
Plus Turkey isn't daft, a Russian victory in Ukraine does absolutely nothing for Turkish security and a Russian defeat does absolutely everything for Turkish influence in the ex Soviet states to the south of Russia
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 7:27 am
by Lancasterclaret
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-65067707
My main information source is getting hard to use, and is certainly suffering from what is suggested above
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 7:50 am
by NewClaret
I only use Twitter when following links on here but judging by that article and some others I have read from Musk recently he’s going to kill off the whole platform.
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 12:30 pm
by Lancasterclaret
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/16 ... 7580933121
T-55s actually in service now
I have absolutely no idea how they will use these
My only thinking at the moment is that they will be hull down or used as artillery
If the front ever gets fluid, then they will be death traps for the poor bastards who have to use them
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 2:15 pm
by CoolClaret
NewClaret wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 7:50 am
I only use Twitter when following links on here but judging by that article and some others I have read from Musk recently he’s going to kill off the whole platform.
I used to really like Musk and thought he was a visionary -
enough evidence on show that he’s not necessarily the brain that he’d have you believe and is actually a complete arse.
Very bored of him
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 3:19 pm
by Elbarad
CoolClaret wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 2:15 pm
I used to really like Musk and thought he was a visionary -
enough evidence on show that he’s not necessarily the brain that he’d have you believe and is actually a complete arse.
Very bored of him
I'm in the I think he's a bit of both group regarding Musk. Visionary, yes. Genius, yes. Personally a Jerk, yes. Arrogant, yes. Always right, no.
I do think it's amusing how quickly the MSM turned on him when they found not all of his political views jive with theirs however. Rather cannibalistic since no one can meet every current 'requirement' 100% of the time. I mean for awhile he was portrayed as basically a savior of the human race because he made electric cars as far as I could tell. Now... not so much.
But I do agree that Twitter seems to be getting the programming wrong. I get a lot of feeds on mine that I have no desire for, and I do see a lot of what I would consider Russian troll farm type stuff.
I consider myself a discerning reader, not easily swayed (probably not true!) but I do worry about people simply parroting some of the stuff I see and assuming because it's on the internet it must be true.
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 4:24 pm
by CoolClaret
Elbarad wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 3:19 pm
I'm in the I think he's a bit of both group regarding Musk. Visionary, yes. Genius, yes. Personally a Jerk, yes. Arrogant, yes. Always right, no.
I do think it's amusing how quickly the MSM turned on him when they found not all of his political views jive with theirs however. Rather cannibalistic since no one can meet every current 'requirement' 100% of the time. I mean for awhile he was portrayed as basically a savior of the human race because he made electric cars as far as I could tell. Now... not so much.
But I do agree that Twitter seems to be getting the programming wrong. I get a lot of feeds on mine that I have no desire for, and I do see a lot of what I would consider Russian troll farm type stuff.
I consider myself a discerning reader, not easily swayed (probably not true!) but I do worry about people simply parroting some of the stuff I see and assuming because it's on the internet it must be true.
Not to distract from the thread too much but there's more than that.
Namely:
- Artificially creating pump/dump on crypto for his own benefit/monetary gain
- The crap he posted around Thai cave rescue and where he completely assassinated the character of the Diver that actually saved them.
- The Tesla move to Austin, TX wasn't because 'he wanted to keep production up during Covid' or whatever nonsense he spouted, it was just to circumvent CA employment laws (that are better for workers than Texas) and so he could play less tax, despite, erm, receiving huge government subsidies
He's only in it for himself, which is fine. I just wish he'd have more of a conscience on what his actions do and as pointed out on Twitter, is looking like it's becoming quite a 'dangerous' place
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:06 pm
by Elbarad
CoolClaret wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 4:24 pm
Not to distract from the thread too much but there's more than that.
Namely:
- Artificially creating pump/dump on crypto for his own benefit/monetary gain
- The crap he posted around Thai cave rescue and where he completely assassinated the character of the Diver that actually saved them.
- The Tesla move to Austin, TX wasn't because 'he wanted to keep production up during Covid' or whatever nonsense he spouted, it was just to circumvent CA employment laws (that are better for workers than Texas) and so he could play less tax, despite, erm, receiving huge government subsidies
He's only in it for himself, which is fine. I just wish he'd have more of a conscience on what his actions do and as pointed out on Twitter, is looking like it's becoming quite a 'dangerous' place
I agree with your first 2 points wholeheartedly. The third I think was mostly taxes, but there could be more as you suggest. California has ruinous taxes in my opinion and will likely have to raise them even further to continue their policies. There will be a be 30 Billion dollar deficit next year alone in California. Many businesses and wealthy individuals are leaving that state and others with similar tax policies for Texas, Florida and North Dakota which have much more forgiving ones.
But yes, far from the awesome guy he was promoted as for such a long time.
Thank you for your reasoned response.
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:35 pm
by Lancasterclaret
I have absolutely no idea how you fight disinformation on huge social media platforms, but I would suggest that letting anyone have special posting rights if they play $7 a month is asking for a lot of trouble
Still a hugely valuable news source, and you can't blame him for millions in the West being quite happy to believe whatever they want because they want to more than they want to have their views challenged
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:04 pm
by box_of_frogs
PendleBella or whatever explained in 1 article.
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2023 12:05 pm
by Lancasterclaret
https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1647190863989071872
Column of Ukrainian Armor (no Western MBTs in it though) on the moves somewhere
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 1:13 pm
by Lancasterclaret
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 2:04 pm
by AlargeClaret
I wonder if UKR now has enough tanks /Bradleys/serious armoured troop carriers etc to attempt a “ punch through “ part of the heavily defended ( presumably?) RUS lines ?
AirPower is really needed for these type of ops , but I’d imagine some serious artillery barrages coupled with NATO’s best brains and satellite tech accuracy could cause RUS some huge losses . The “mighty” RUS airforce appears to resemble a crumbled rusting ship with only a couple of engines working properly .
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 2:42 pm
by Lancasterclaret
AlargeClaret wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 2:04 pm
I wonder if UKR now has enough tanks /Bradleys/serious armoured troop carriers etc to attempt a “ punch through “ part of the heavily defended ( presumably?) RUS lines ?
AirPower is really needed for these type of ops , but I’d imagine some serious artillery barrages coupled with NATO’s best brains and satellite tech accuracy could cause RUS some huge losses . The “mighty” RUS airforce appears to resemble a crumbled rusting ship with only a couple of engines working properly .
I've no idea
The ratio is 3:1 superiority to attack successfully, and with Russian mobilisation and the massive shortening of their line (You have to assume that Ukraine won't attack Russia directly) I'm not sure the Ukrainians will find a weak spot
Remember Russia don't really have to worry about a direct crossing of the Dnipro (far too risky and almost certainly well beyond the capabilities of Ukrainians) which shortens the front line to essentially the Dnipro along to Donestk City, and then up to the Russian border near Svatlove
Any attack is unlikely to do any sort of Blitzkreig and it will probably be a question of if the UAF can deal better with minefields and trench systems better than the Russians have managed
Even badly trained troops in strong defensive positions backed up by plentiful artillery and armor support will be very hard to dislodge, and just as Russian attacks give the Ukrainians the chance to hammer Russian armor and troops the same is true the other way around
I'd be very surprised if the Russians haven't been extensively training (especially with their air force) about ground/air co-operation in a defensive battle for starters
Everyone is saying that a drive to the Sea of Azov, cutting Russian lines in two and making the Western part of that very vulnerable because of very tenuous supply lines is what is going to happen, and that is surely the main worry for the Russians as well
But how much troops can they risk potentially getting cut off on the wrong side if Ukraine successfully manages to reach the Sea of Azov?
Its a tough one for the Russians but they do have quite a lot in their favour if they fight a purely defensive action and the Ukrainians go that way
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:58 am
by Lancasterclaret
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... 1682074521
I suspect "eventually" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here
But any peace deal (if it involves Ukraine giving up any land) has to also have Ukraine in NATO (to be acceptable to the Ukrainians)
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 12:47 pm
by Falcon
I see the Russians have bombed their own city by mistake. Incompetent doesn't cover it.
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 1:07 pm
by Boss Hogg
Loyalclaret wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 5:44 am
Left Phuket a few days ago, should be called mini-Moscow, the hotels/streets/restaurants/bars are full of Russians that didn’t seem to be concerned about their country being involved in a war.
An Australian family started chatting in the pool, said we were the first non-Russian speaking people they’d seen in the hotel in 8 days.
Is it only certain people that are allowed to travel ? Otherwise there’s no point to the media restrictions at home if they can read free press when they travel. Maybe it’s so drilled in they assume the uncontrolled press and media they see in holiday resorts are lies.
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 1:16 pm
by Lancasterclaret
Boss Hogg wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 1:07 pm
Is it only certain people that are allowed to travel ? Otherwise there’s no point to the media restrictions at home if they can read free press when they travel. Maybe it’s so drilled in they assume the uncontrolled press and media they see in holiday resorts are lies.
Moscow/St Petersburg and the areas around them are very wealthy
Millions of Russians will have plenty of spare cash, and there is no restriction on the vast amount of them
Personally, I'd ban them from the EU/UK/US/NATO regions, but I also see the benefit of them seeing for themselves the difference between countries that spend 2-3% of their GDP in defence and a big chunk of the rest on social services/infrastructure and one that spends 30% on defence and next to nothing on social services/infrastructure
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:03 pm
by Boss Hogg
Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 1:16 pm
Moscow/St Petersburg and the areas around them are very wealthy
Millions of Russians will have plenty of spare cash, and there is no restriction on the vast amount of them
Personally, I'd ban them from the EU/UK/US/NATO regions, but I also see the benefit of them seeing for themselves the difference between countries that spend 2-3% of their GDP in defence and a big chunk of the rest on social services/infrastructure and one that spends 30% on defence and next to nothing on social services/infrastructure
This sounds like these people have it so good back home that they don’t care whether it’s lies or not. Otherwise they’d be reading other countries version of events in disbelief. Presumably they are travelling to places like the far east ( and Turkey) due to the restrictions on flights to most of Europe.
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:26 pm
by box_of_frogs
Boss Hogg wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:03 pm
This sounds like these people have it so good back home that they don’t care whether it’s lies or not. Otherwise they’d be reading other countries version of events in disbelief. Presumably they are travelling to places like the far east ( and Turkey) due to the restrictions on flights to most of Europe.
A prime reason why I’m not going to Turkey this year!
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:34 pm
by Lancasterclaret
Boss Hogg wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:03 pm
This sounds like these people have it so good back home that they don’t care whether it’s lies or not. Otherwise they’d be reading other countries version of events in disbelief. Presumably they are travelling to places like the far east ( and Turkey) due to the restrictions on flights to most of Europe.
Yes, but unless they are top, top, top elites, their kids might get called up (and its perfectly possible that they are patriots and join up)
Its very hard to read the Russian mind set, but you have to assume its the same as everywhere else (older people quite happy with the status quo, more inclined to believe things are going well when they aren't, more willing to believe that everything is wrong is the fault of someone else, younger people in the main being more idealist, more Western etc etc)
You can see by the situation in Belgorod that having the actual war on your doorstep is clearly having an effect, but Russia is such a huge country that effect won't be noticed once you are out of immediate danger
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:33 am
by Hipper
This report outlines the current Russian order of battle in Ukraine, assesses the offensive and defensive capabilities of Russian force groupings along the front, and discusses major factors that may complicate Russian defensive operations in the event of a Ukrainian counteroffensive.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgr ... il-23-2023
The pattern of Russian deployments throughout Ukraine strongly suggests that most of the available manoeuvre elements of all military districts, as well as major surviving Airborne forces, are already committed to either active offensive or defensive operations in Ukraine. Russia will need to commit significant reserves to any discrete axis in order to conduct effective offensive operations, and the generally exhausted condition of troops and the apparently disorganized and fragmented deployment pattern in some areas will likely pose significant obstacles to Russia’s prospects for defending critical sectors of the frontline.
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2023 1:00 pm
by bfcjg
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Potential in fighting ?
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2023 1:27 pm
by Lancasterclaret
https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/sta ... 4238040065
Looks like at least one Ukrainian UAV (or boat) got through Sevastopols defences last night
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2023 3:15 pm
by AlargeClaret
bfcjg wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 1:00 pm
Screenshot_20230424_125728_Samsung Internet.jpg
Potential in fighting ?
While I’d love this to be true ( I’m picturing vodka sozzled Russians taking pot shots at each other ) it looks very much like a piece of decent propaganda.
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2023 8:25 pm
by Loyalclaret
Boss Hogg wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 1:07 pm
Is it only certain people that are allowed to travel ? Otherwise there’s no point to the media restrictions at home if they can read free press when they travel. Maybe it’s so drilled in they assume the uncontrolled press and media they see in holiday resorts are lies.
I doubt many would read or watch anything other than their own press. I was away for 1 month, did not watch any tv at all (sadly not even the Clarets securing promotion) and only got 'news' from social media sites which I visit at home like UTC.
Met up with another Claret and his young family living out there, they had visited a private education centre in Phuket. They explained that if a child was enrolled in the school, the parents/close relatives got visas = large numbers of Russians and some Ukrainians. However the ones we shared the hotel with seemed to be holidaying.
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:42 pm
by KateR
Lot's of Russians enjoying life in Dubai according to friends who have visited recently, definitely of an age for call up, personally I don't blame them I know I wouldn't like my son's to be called up to a war.
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 4:25 pm
by box_of_frogs
KateR wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:42 pm
Lot's of Russians enjoying life in Dubai according to friends who have visited recently, definitely of an age for call up, personally I don't blame them I know I wouldn't like my son's to be called up to a war.
Another place to not bother going again!
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 6:13 pm
by jos
KateR wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:42 pm
Lot's of Russians enjoying life in Dubai according to friends who have visited recently, definitely of an age for call up, personally I don't blame them I know I wouldn't like my son's to be called up to a war.
Which is why the Russians have added sending call up letters to recruits email addresses, so they can’t just use the excuse of being out of the country.
Apparently lots of Russians in Thailand too according to a friend who has just returned.
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 6:24 pm
by Taffy on the wing
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 6:25 pm
by Taffy on the wing
Is this the beginning?
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 6:27 pm
by No Ney Never
If I was a Russian of a call up age, I too would be out of there.
It's a war I'm sure many of those intelligent enough to do one don't agree with, but protesting or criticising can also put an individual in danger of repercussion.
Leave and say nowt appears to be the strategy for survival at the moment.
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:08 pm
by Lancasterclaret
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:23 pm
by GodIsADeeJay81
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/ ... pWmMQ&s=19
Details about a number of Russian offices caught stealing Jet fuel
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:36 pm
by LeadBelly
Reminded me- I saw a story yesterday re a Russian army officer being arrested for selling tank engines.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/ ... k-engines/
Maybe behind a paywall so....
A Russian army officer has been arrested for allegedly stealing the engines out of T-90 battle tanks.
The Kommersant newspaper reported that Colonel Alexander Denisov is accused of stealing seven V-92S2 engines worth 20.5 million roubles (around £200,000) between November 2021 and April 2022.
Col Denisov, who is in charge of technical support for tanks in the Southern Military District, was arrested last month near Rostov in southern Russia and was charged with “stealing parts intended to be installed on tanks”.
Corruption plagues Russia, especially in its military, and has been blamed for hindering the Russian army since it launched its invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:40 pm
by GodIsADeeJay81
I'm wondering what those engines ended up in
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2023 7:40 am
by GodIsADeeJay81
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2023 10:38 am
by Hipper
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2023 11:01 am
by bfcjg
GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:40 pm
I'm wondering what those engines ended up in
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2023 11:14 am
by GodIsADeeJay81
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status ... AWWZA&s=19
The US has begun installing atomic sensors in Ukraine
Re: Russia Invades
Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2023 11:16 am
by Lancasterclaret
Thread on HIMARs missile production and expenditure
Every war since time began, the armies have always underestimated the amount of ammunition that will be needed
Also worth saying, there is no excuse whatsoever for the West not to be capable of matching Ukraines ammo needs either.
Production base worldwide plus what is essentially unlimited funds should be able to comfortably exceed whatever Russia can make or get, but there has to be the political will to make it happen
https://twitter.com/ukraine_map/status/ ... 4237845506
