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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Jamesy » Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:41 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:38 am
He actually believes the dross he writes
Yes I do. What is the reason for the hold up then? I’m all ears.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:12 am

NewClaret wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:24 am
I have my sources RV ;)

Although I wouldn’t have posted had there not been tweets discussing it after I’d been told (which I can’t find, now deleted?) and CT’s not-so-cryptic message pointing to today. CT hasn’t replied, not sure if that’s because I’m right & he can’t say , or I’m wrong and he’s sparing my blushes.

Sticking with it until 10:01. Worst comes to the worst, I’ll just have to change my username :lol:
Boden has posted on Twitter that as of yet he’s not been told to come to the turf for an announcement. Currently not looking like it will be today.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ClaretPete001 » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:17 am

Jamesy wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:41 am
Yes I do. What is the reason for the hold up then? I’m all ears.
Probably the work permit. The Vincent Kompany rumour mill is giving a positive backdrop to the new season and everyone is talking about it.

Why would the club want to bring that to an end when it doesn't have to...?

It's just the start of the summer - the club will be looking to unload a number of good players and it needs a good news narrative spinning out throughout the summer and Vincent Kompany is PR gold.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by RVclaret » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:18 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:12 am
Boden has posted on Twitter that as of yet he’s not been told to come to the turf for an announcement. Currently not looking like it will be today.
Press conferences aren’t usually on the same day as the announcement anyway. But yeah, definitely no press conference at 10am.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:19 am

ClaretPete001 wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:17 am
Probably the work permit. The Vincent Kompany rumour mill is giving a positive backdrop to the new season and everyone is talking about it.

Why would the club want to bring that to an end when it doesn't have to...?

It's just the start of the summer - the club will be looking to unload a number of good players and it needs a good news narrative spinning out throughout the summer and Vincent Kompany is PR gold.
I understand your view, but what good PR have we received? I haven’t seen any yet. Perhaps when the signing happens I can see us getting some decent PR.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:20 am

Jamesy wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:01 am
I said it before and I will say it again. Kompany wants to come but it is conditional on Pace securing new backers to fund his plans. At present Pace must still be desperately seeking new backers, hence the continued hold up. The work permit thing is just a smokescreen.
Securing funds? What’s Shackleton doing these days? :D

Another day wasted on this never ending shaggy dog story.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:20 am

RVclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:18 am
Press conferences aren’t usually on the same day as the announcement anyway. But yeah, definitely no press conference at 10am.
It’s been that long since a manager took over I can’t even remember what happens. But I imagine the local press will be invited to the unveiling/announcement?

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ksrclaret » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:20 am

Guys, come on now, you all know the drill by now.

It’ll be next week.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Jamesy » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:21 am

Not the work permit. If that was the case there would have been an announcement that he has agreed in principle subject to work permit being granted. His wife is from Manchester area also. No way would a work permit take this long. And that lot up the road have just appointed a new manager from Europe within a matter of days. No work permit issue there.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:24 am

This is becoming really worrying from the clubs perspective.

Goodness me get it over the line.

Like the fat kid doing the thousand meters on sports day!
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ClaretPete001 » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:24 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:19 am
I understand your view, but what good PR have we received? I haven’t seen any yet. Perhaps when the signing happens I can see us getting some decent PR.
If you recall the collective slump in Claret shoulders when Brian Laws was announced as the manager when we last got relegated - that hasn't happened.

We now looked to have secured a manager being pursued (allegedly) by some decent European clubs.

I think he is generating a a lot of decent PR and is making the cub's owners look like serious players: no mean feat.

I think he is providing a positive backdrop during a period when there will be a drip drip of good players leaving the club.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by RVclaret » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:26 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:20 am
It’s been that long since a manager took over I can’t even remember what happens. But I imagine the local press will be invited to the unveiling/announcement?
Look at how Rovers just announced their manager. Don't need press to make an announcement.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:29 am

ClaretPete001 wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:24 am
If you recall the collective slump in Claret shoulders when Brian Laws was announced as the manager when we last got relegated - that hasn't happened.

We now looked to have secured a manager being pursued (allegedly) by some decent European clubs.

I think he is generating a a lot of decent PR and is making the cub's owners look like serious players: no mean feat.

I think he is providing a positive backdrop during a period when there will be a drip drip of good players leaving the club.
But what Decent PR is it generating? I don’t understand what you mean. Apart from Burnley fans literally no one is talking about this?

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:30 am

RVclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:26 am
Look at how Rovers just announced their manager. Don't need press to make an announcement.
Very true. Tbh I’m past the point of caring now it’s taken that long haha.

Just want it done so we can focus on the important stuff
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by NewClaret » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:37 am

RVclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:18 am
Press conferences aren’t usually on the same day as the announcement anyway. But yeah, definitely no press conference at 10am.
Tony - if you could just accept the new user request from Brad.Wickes-Jones@hotmail.com that would be much appreciated!

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ClaretPete001 » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:39 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:29 am
But what Decent PR is it generating? I don’t understand what you mean. Apart from Burnley fans literally no one is talking about this?
I think there has been plenty of publicity over this... but we aren't Man Utd that's for sure. And keeping the fans on board will be important.

There is not a lot else that is positive in the media other than Kompany.

And all this is in a period where Ben Mee has confirmed he is leaving and Wout Weghorst has aired his opinions all over the place, which did get a lot of publicity.

It's just an opinion, but I think the club will appreciate the ongoing good news story even if it is not the reason why the appointment is being delayed.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ClaretPete001 » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:41 am

Jamesy wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:21 am
Not the work permit. If that was the case there would have been an announcement that he has agreed in principle subject to work permit being granted. His wife is from Manchester area also. No way would a work permit take this long. And that lot up the road have just appointed a new manager from Europe within a matter of days. No work permit issue there.
All good points but each case is different ....

I have no explanation then because most seem to feel he is the new manager.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Murger » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:43 am

ClaretPete001 wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:39 am
I think there has been plenty of publicity over this... but we aren't Man Utd that's for sure. And keeping the fans on board will be important.

There is not a lot else that is positive in the media other than Kompany.

And all this is in a period where Ben Mee has confirmed he is leaving and Wout Weghorst has aired his opinions all over the place, which did get a lot of publicity.

It's just an opinion, but I think the club will appreciate the ongoing good news story even if it is not the reason why the appointment is being delayed.
What ongoing good news? There has literally been nothing.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by quoonbeatz » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:45 am

Jamesy wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:21 am
And that lot up the road have just appointed a new manager from Europe within a matter of days. No work permit issue there.
They haven't got a work permit yet.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Jamesy » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:49 am

ClaretPete001 wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:41 am
All good points but each case is different ....

I have no explanation then because most seem to feel he is the new manager.
Yes I agree that most think he will be the manager, it is just the longer it is delayed doubt sets in.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Jamesy » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:49 am

quoonbeatz wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:45 am
They haven't got a work permit yet.
Is this fact? Source please.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by RVclaret » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:50 am

Jamesy wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:49 am
Is this fact? Source please.
It’s on their official twitter feed

I quoted it here on the previous page

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by arise_sir_charge » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:51 am

I’m not 100% convinced any delay has been solely work permit related.

However, comparing one person receiving a work permit with another person not, is a waste of time.

The work permit process involves different agencies (police/home office) etc in different countries and you often find that some countries work more quickly than others. So unless Thomason was also coming in from Belgium, it’s pointless comparing the two.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:51 am

Probably just saving it all up for a set of huge announcements - Kompany in, Premier League agree to pay us £100m compensation, new investors and 10 new players including Lewandowski who is said to like the challenge of the Championship.

Or…… they could all have been on holiday. What will be, will be.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by spt_claret » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:51 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:29 am
But what Decent PR is it generating? I don’t understand what you mean. Apart from Burnley fans literally no one is talking about this?
I somewhat agree.

Apart from Burnley fans the general chatter I've encountered amongst fans is "big gamble, might get some City freebies, not really done much". Pundits and analysts are a little more positive which is encouraging, the analysis of Kompanys tactics recently was a brilliant read, does seem similar to Dyche pre-2020 (ie when we actually did play decent efficient football) just with slower buildup and an unusual role for the holding midfielder. But it's on fairly small and niche sports media sites.

Conventional wisdom isn't always right, nor is popular consensus, so I'm not placing too much stock in wider fan reaction, just making the point that while the Kompany rumour mill does get us a paper article every few days I'm not really seeing much positive sports buzz outside the Burnley bubble. Not seeing negativity either for what it's worth. More a reaction of interested bemusement.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by mdd2 » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:52 am

The problem is that Pritti Patel knows the Venkys and is a closet Rovers fan
These guys are not going to get WP to work at BFC

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by quoonbeatz » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:54 am

Jamesy wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:49 am
Is this fact? Source please.
The announcement on their website.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:54 am

spt_claret wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:51 am
I somewhat agree.

Apart from Burnley fans the general chatter I've encountered amongst fans is "big gamble, might get some City freebies, not really done much". Pundits and analysts are a little more positive which is encouraging, the analysis of Kompanys tactics recently was a brilliant read, does seem similar to Dyche pre-2020 (ie when we actually did play decent efficient football) just with slower buildup and an unusual role for the holding midfielder. But it's on fairly small and niche sports media sites.

Conventional wisdom isn't always right, nor is popular consensus, so I'm not placing too much stock in wider fan reaction, just making the point that while the Kompany rumour mill does get us a paper article every few days I'm not really seeing much positive sports buzz outside the Burnley bubble. Not seeing negativity either for what it's worth. More a reaction of interested bemusement.
Yes I agree, I don’t think there is any media interest in this appointment.

I think think once the appointment has been made a few outlets will most likely talk about it. But I don’t really see good PR aspect.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Jamesy » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:56 am

quoonbeatz wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:54 am
The announcement on their website.
Sorry. Yes I have just read this. Don’t know why we couldn’t have made a similar announcement?

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Andreshotboots » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:00 am

Don’t forget Americans are famous for their customer service 😜

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by gandhisflipflop » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:01 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:12 am
Boden has posted on Twitter that as of yet he’s not been told to come to the turf for an announcement. Currently not looking like it will be today.
Has he said it won’t be today?

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by RVclaret » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:02 am

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:01 am
Has he said it won’t be today?
No

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:11 am

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:01 am
Has he said it won’t be today?
No he’s just said he hasn’t been told to go to the turf for the announcement yet

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by CoolClaret » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:18 am

So much for the ‘10am press conference’

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ClaretAndJew » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:20 am

CoolClaret wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:18 am
So much for the ‘10am press conference’
There was no one of any substance saying that would happen.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by dsr » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:23 am

ClaretPete001 wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:17 am
Probably the work permit. The Vincent Kompany rumour mill is giving a positive backdrop to the new season and everyone is talking about it.

Why would the club want to bring that to an end when it doesn't have to...?

It's just the start of the summer - the club will be looking to unload a number of good players and it needs a good news narrative spinning out throughout the summer and Vincent Kompany is PR gold.
But it does have to end. a rumour can't pick the team for 30th July.

It's been 20 days since Kompany was widely touted as having got the job. It's another 46 days to the first league game, and it's a very short time to pre-season training starting. If the Kompany appointment does fall through, which (until it's signed, sealed and delivered, it might) then we have a matter of days, realistically, to get someone else in.

The close season lasts 69 days, and this is day 23. It's not just the start of summer, we're well into summer, and a manager isn't just a cipher - he should be doing useful work.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ClaretAndJew » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:25 am

We're close to appointing Duff

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by gandhisflipflop » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:26 am

To me a new manager simply has to be out on the training pitch with the lads for when they return to pre season training. That can’t be far away! It has to happen this week.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by CoolClaret » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:27 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:20 am
There was no one of any substance saying that would happen.
That’s kinda my point

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by clive40golf » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:31 am

I can only reiterate what my contact told me yesterday. Kompany will be announced as manager with Craig Bellamy being his assistant. (My friend/contact is very reliable, works within BFC. I can’t say anything more because If I gave anymore information about him, you would know who it is). And it’s meant to be announced today!

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Post by 7decades » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:36 am

Snails pace

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ClaretAndJew » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:38 am

clive40golf wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:31 am
I can only reiterate what my contact told me yesterday. Kompany will be announced as manager with Craig Bellamy being his assistant. (My friend/contact is very reliable, works within BFC. I can’t say anything more because If I gave anymore information about him, you would know who it is). And it’s meant to be announced today!
Another person in the know.

There's more people on here who know people at BFC than don't.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by 7decades » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:46 am

Tomasson's Rovers versus somebody's Clarets

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by It Is What It Is » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:47 am

To save trawling through the last 4 thousand plus threads....is there any factual evidence out there that VK is to be the next manager.
The only fact that I am aware of is that he has left Anderlecht and is now available to manage a club elsewhere.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:49 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:38 am
Another person in the know.

There's more people on here who know people at BFC than don't.
The same poster had previously said it was to be announced yesterday and that was never the case.

All I can repeat was that I was told last week that it would be Tuesday which I have posted. For now, I'll stick with that but haven't heard anything today.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by arise_sir_charge » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:49 am

It Is What It Is wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:47 am
To save trawling through the last 4 thousand plus threads....is there any factual evidence out there that VK is to be the next manager.
The only fact that I am aware of is that he has left Anderlecht and is now available to manage a club elsewhere.
FFS. Painful.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:49 am

It Is What It Is wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:47 am
To save trawling through the last 4 thousand plus threads....is there any factual evidence out there that VK is to be the next manager.
The only fact that I am aware of is that he has left Anderlecht and is now available to manage a club elsewhere.
I'd be very surprised if it wasn't Kompany, very, very surprised.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:53 am

It Is What It Is wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:47 am
To save trawling through the last 4 thousand plus threads....is there any factual evidence out there that VK is to be the next manager.
The only fact that I am aware of is that he has left Anderlecht and is now available to manage a club elsewhere.
There is more chance of me voting for Brexit than Vincent Kompany not becoming our manager

That do?

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by CnBtruntru » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:53 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:49 am
The same poster had previously said it was to be announced yesterday and that was never the case.

All I can repeat was that I was told last week that it would be Tuesday which I have posted. For now, I'll stick with that but haven't heard anything today.
Now you do know 4th of July is a Monday :lol:

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