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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu May 26, 2022 5:28 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 5:26 pm
...Let's go with Steve Bruce then!...... :|
Love the over reaction. The only manager we could have gone for apart from Kompany was Bruce haha.

People really are not allowed opinions that go against the norm on here.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by 1HappyClaret » Thu May 26, 2022 5:35 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 4:41 pm
of course people are only excited because its VK. he's won nothing as a manager. has very little experience as a manager and no experience in England at all. are you all blind here.
I think that VK has more managerial experience than SD did when he joined Burnley & what had SD won as a manager. Absolutely nothing.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Volvoclaret » Thu May 26, 2022 5:35 pm

Methinks someone's been sipping too much whisky and sucking on too many Cubans, whoever the poor Cuban is.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ClaretTony » Thu May 26, 2022 5:36 pm

Murger wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 4:50 pm
He's more experienced than Dyche was when he took over.
He’s not. Dyche had three years Championship experience as coach and manager at Watford plus further years coaching in the academy.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by KRBFC » Thu May 26, 2022 5:41 pm

Marco Silva had zero experience in the Championship

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by daveisaclaret » Thu May 26, 2022 5:42 pm

Sorry if this has been mentioned - is a work permit a potential problem like it would be for a player or is it a gimme for a manager?

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by spt_claret » Thu May 26, 2022 5:45 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 4:41 pm
last time I checked Pep was regarded as one of the best managers in the World and probably the history of the game - not a bad person to lean on for advice for Kompany.
This isn't any knock on Kompany but I am definitely a dissident who believes Guardiola is hugely overrated as Guardiola has always had the most resources in the league everywhere he managed:
-cash rich Barcelona with prime Messi, half the Spain dream team of 2008-12, and the likes of Eto'o, Zlatan etc dropping in during their prime. Won the CL twice unsurprisingly.
-Bayern Munich when they had half the German 2014 World Cup team plus Lewandowski. Couldn't win the CL.
-Man City. Enough said, yet to win CL.

He's one of the most successful managers of all time but Klopp, Tuchel, even Mourinho, and pretty much everyone else of this era has had great success on less resources. This isn't the "could he do it at Burnley" argument this is simply a point that Guardiola may be a beloved media darling when essentially he just resurrected WM formation in the modern era, but he's also always inherited already elite teams and been equipped with the most resources of anyone in the league by far- only time you can argue the "most resources" front was Barcelona as Real had tons, but the team he inherited speaks for itself.

Either way, Kompany is Kompany, not Guardiola. I certainly hope he is a surprise success like Viera at Palace.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by KRBFC » Thu May 26, 2022 5:47 pm

daveisaclaret wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 5:42 pm
Sorry if this has been mentioned - is a work permit a potential problem like it would be for a player or is it a gimme for a manager?
I can't remember the last time an English club like us had issues with work permits, I remember back in the day Luton Shelton was supposed to sign for us but had work permit issues? even though he'd previously played at Sheff United, maybe I just made the work permit part up. I think recently Man City had an issue with Douglas Luiz, they just loaned him out to Spain for a year then boom, permit granted.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by daveisaclaret » Thu May 26, 2022 5:48 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 5:47 pm
I can't remember the last time an English club like us had issues with work permits, I remember back in the day Luton Shelton was supposed to sign for us but had work permit issues? even though he'd previously played at Sheff United, maybe I just made the work permit part up. I think recently Man City had an issue with Douglas Luiz, they just loaned him out to Spain for a year then boom, permit granted.
Rules changed after Brexit.

I assume it's not a problem given Jesse Marsch at Leeds but I can't profess any knowledge of the situation.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by KRBFC » Thu May 26, 2022 5:50 pm

spt_claret wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 5:45 pm
This isn't any knock on Kompany but I am definitely a dissident who believes Guardiola is hugely overrated
Probably the greatest coach of all time, transformed the English game and has sides copying him. Look at the focus in the modern day game put on Goalkeepers kicking and playing with their feet, that was ALL Guardiola.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Commy » Thu May 26, 2022 5:51 pm

Is the hold up these days because of the videos they do? Might be a long wait whilst they better WW one, if that's what it is.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by KRBFC » Thu May 26, 2022 5:51 pm

daveisaclaret wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 5:48 pm
Rules changed after Brexit.

I assume it's not a problem given Jesse Marsch at Leeds but I can't profess any knowledge of the situation.
and I can't think of another club post Brexit with work permit issues.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu May 26, 2022 6:03 pm

daveisaclaret wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 5:42 pm
Sorry if this has been mentioned - is a work permit a potential problem like it would be for a player or is it a gimme for a manager?
It's never a given, it wasn't for Utd when they wanted Rangnick as he hadn't actually managed for a few years.
They managed to get it over the line just about.
There are new rules for overseas managers too. They must have worked for three out of the previous five years in what is described as a “top league”, that covers 33 of the world’s main leagues.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ClaretInLeeds » Thu May 26, 2022 6:04 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 4:02 pm
i hope the delay means this is not happening. Of all the things that have happened at our club since the yank took over this is the most un Burnley like one.
:lol: :lol:

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by daveisaclaret » Thu May 26, 2022 6:06 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 6:03 pm
It's never a given, it wasn't for Utd when they wanted Rangnick as he hadn't actually managed for a few years.
They managed to get it over the line just about.
Makes sense that this would be delayed then, but nothing to worry about.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by eastcoastclaret » Thu May 26, 2022 6:08 pm

I don't understand the comments that you couldnt successfully manage a club in the 2nd tier of English football, if you haven't already done so.
Kompany has been player manager/manager of Anderlecht for a week short of 3 years, and worked with some of the best managers around during his playing career. He captained Man City for 8 years and his national side for 7. The guy is a proven winner.

I don't know what some people want.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by TheFamilyCat » Thu May 26, 2022 6:09 pm

daveisaclaret wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 5:48 pm
Rules changed after Brexit.

I assume it's not a problem given Jesse Marsch at Leeds but I can't profess any knowledge of the situation.
Changes to rules because of Brexit wouldn't have affected an American would they?

There was some discussion on this, or another thread regarding Knutsen. I think someone posted the current rules at the time. (Sorry, can't remember what they were).

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by daveisaclaret » Thu May 26, 2022 6:11 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 6:09 pm
Changes to rules because of Brexit wouldn't have affected an American would they?

There was some discussion on this, or another thread regarding Knutsen. I think someone posted the current rules at the time. (Sorry, can't remember what they were).
I think we used to be on EU rules, but changed them after Brexit. Could be wrong though.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by TheFamilyCat » Thu May 26, 2022 6:18 pm

daveisaclaret wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 6:11 pm
I think we used to be on EU rules, but changed them after Brexit. Could be wrong though.
I was thinking about the freedom of movement which no longer applies.

Off the top of my head Lage, Vieira and Ranieri were all appointed in the last 12 months so I don't see that there would be an issue.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Long in the tooth » Thu May 26, 2022 6:19 pm

Rooney and knutsen

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ClaretTony » Thu May 26, 2022 6:22 pm

daveisaclaret wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 5:42 pm
Sorry if this has been mentioned - is a work permit a potential problem like it would be for a player or is it a gimme for a manager?
Any appointment if not British will be subject to a work permit. I think the Rangnick appointment at Man U was held up for that reason.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by gandhisflipflop » Thu May 26, 2022 6:25 pm

I would have thought that Kompany would have dual nationality by now for working in the UK for over 5 years at City

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Indecisive » Thu May 26, 2022 6:27 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 6:25 pm
I would have thought that Kompany would have dual nationality by now for working in the UK for over 5 years at City
Are his wife and kids not British as well? Surely that counts in his favour?
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by eastcoastclaret » Thu May 26, 2022 6:29 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 6:25 pm
I would have thought that Kompany would have dual nationality by now for working in the UK for over 5 years at City
His wife is British isn't she, probably makes it easier.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by kaptin1 » Thu May 26, 2022 6:29 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 6:22 pm
Any appointment if not British will be subject to a work permit. I think the Rangnick appointment at Man U was held up for that reason.
Presumably not an issue given the fact his wife is British

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Roosterbooster » Thu May 26, 2022 6:41 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 6:09 pm
Changes to rules because of Brexit wouldn't have affected an American would they?

There was some discussion on this, or another thread regarding Knutsen. I think someone posted the current rules at the time. (Sorry, can't remember what they were).
http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... =2&t=61466

I think he would qualify automatically looking back through this

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by AlargeClaret » Thu May 26, 2022 6:44 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 1:02 pm
I'm sorry but how is Joey Barton more experienced than Kompany? experienced in relegation from League One maybe and what has Gary Rowett ever achieved apart from failure? he's another that goes from club to club and does nothing. Experienced in nothingness.
Vastly Experienced in the dog fights of non prem football management with very thin resources . Like I said when /if VC gets the nod I’m all for what he can bring , though the naive nonsense that he’ll be bringing “ city stars “ is highly optimistic in the extreme . That said his inexperience is offset by his standing as a world class ex player multi lingual and knows English football well .

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Colburn_Claret » Thu May 26, 2022 6:44 pm

Commy wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 5:51 pm
Is the hold up these days because of the videos they do? Might be a long wait whilst they better WW one, if that's what it is.
There will be lots to consider before signing. I would think in principal he's on board, otherwise the story would probably have been shot down, but there's wages, how many staff he can bring with him. Their wages. What finance can he get for transfers. What are his targets as per the club. What are the bonuses for achieving targets. Who runs the youth system. Who's in charge of scouting, recruitment.
All nitty gritty, but it needs to be sorted.
I keep coming back but I wouldn't be surprised if its not announced until next week, and that's if they come to terms.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Dark Cloud » Thu May 26, 2022 6:48 pm

Does this not remind anyone else of "Orsic"? And I increasingly get the feeling it might go the same way!

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by jedi_master » Thu May 26, 2022 7:03 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 6:48 pm
Does this not remind anyone else of "Orsic"? And I increasingly get the feeling it might go the same way!
The odds, the fact various media outlets and ITK’s on here have said it’s ‘done’ and the biggest fact that he has already chosen to leave Anderlecht say to me that it’s happening.

I bet it’s announced tomorrow.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by TheFamilyCat » Thu May 26, 2022 7:06 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 6:44 pm
There will be lots to consider before signing. I would think in principal he's on board, otherwise the story would probably have been shot down, but there's wages, how many staff he can bring with him. Their wages. What finance can he get for transfers. What are his targets as per the club. What are the bonuses for achieving targets. Who runs the youth system. Who's in charge of scouting, recruitment.
All nitty gritty, but it needs to be sorted.
I keep coming back but I wouldn't be surprised if its not announced until next week, and that's if they come to terms.
I doubt he'd have quit Anderlecht without already having assurances on a lot of that. Transfer budget, staff, recruitment... all potential deal breakers I'd have thought.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu May 26, 2022 7:11 pm

spt_claret wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 5:45 pm
This isn't any knock on Kompany but I am definitely a dissident who believes Guardiola is hugely overrated as Guardiola has always had the most resources in the league everywhere he managed:
-cash rich Barcelona with prime Messi, half the Spain dream team of 2008-12, and the likes of Eto'o, Zlatan etc dropping in during their prime. Won the CL twice unsurprisingly.
-Bayern Munich when they had half the German 2014 World Cup team plus Lewandowski. Couldn't win the CL.
-Man City. Enough said, yet to win CL.

He's one of the most successful managers of all time but Klopp, Tuchel, even Mourinho, and pretty much everyone else of this era has had great success on less resources. This isn't the "could he do it at Burnley" argument this is simply a point that Guardiola may be a beloved media darling when essentially he just resurrected WM formation in the modern era, but he's also always inherited already elite teams and been equipped with the most resources of anyone in the league by far- only time you can argue the "most resources" front was Barcelona as Real had tons, but the team he inherited speaks for itself.

Either way, Kompany is Kompany, not Guardiola. I certainly hope he is a surprise success like Viera at Palace.
You might want to look at what Pep did with the kids at Barca before he got the job. He's no mug. I actually don't like the bloke tbh but if we get Kompany it's better he has someone like him to ask for advice than someone like Brian Laws ! :D

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Goobs » Thu May 26, 2022 7:16 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 5:50 pm
Probably the greatest coach of all time, transformed the English game and has sides copying him. Look at the focus in the modern day game put on Goalkeepers kicking and playing with their feet, that was ALL Guardiola.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
I may be wrong on this but I'd guess that Neuer was playing the sweeper keeper role before Pep finished playing.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by AlargeClaret » Thu May 26, 2022 7:18 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 1:22 pm
If you’d love Chris Hughton, you haven’t seen his teams play very often.
I’m not too bothered about the fayre on show long as it produces results .

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Roosterbooster » Thu May 26, 2022 7:23 pm

Goobs wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 7:16 pm
I may be wrong on this but I'd guess that Neuer was playing the sweeper keeper role before Pep finished playing.
Tad unfair to describe Ederson as a sweeper keeper

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ClaretTony » Thu May 26, 2022 8:05 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 6:48 pm
Does this not remind anyone else of "Orsic"? And I increasingly get the feeling it might go the same way!
No - nothing like whether it goes the same way or not.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ClaretTony » Thu May 26, 2022 8:07 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 6:44 pm
There will be lots to consider before signing. I would think in principal he's on board, otherwise the story would probably have been shot down, but there's wages, how many staff he can bring with him. Their wages. What finance can he get for transfers. What are his targets as per the club. What are the bonuses for achieving targets. Who runs the youth system. Who's in charge of scouting, recruitment.
All nitty gritty, but it needs to be sorted.
I keep coming back but I wouldn't be surprised if its not announced until next week, and that's if they come to terms.
I would think that would have all virtually have been dealt with. What will be far more time consuming is the legal people going through the details on the contract with a fine tooth comb.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by joey13 » Thu May 26, 2022 8:10 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 7:18 pm
I’m not too bothered about the fayre on show long as it produces results .
What like at Forest

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Goobs » Thu May 26, 2022 8:14 pm

Roosterbooster wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 7:23 pm
Tad unfair to describe Ederson as a sweeper keeper
I didn't?

My point was Pep didn't invent keepers using their feet as Neuer was excellent at that before Pep in being able to play out from the back.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by KRBFC » Thu May 26, 2022 8:35 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 6:44 pm
Vastly Experienced in the dog fights of non prem football management with very thin resources . Like I said when /if VC gets the nod I’m all for what he can bring , though the naive nonsense that he’ll be bringing “ city stars “ is highly optimistic in the extreme . That said his inexperience is offset by his standing as a world class ex player multi lingual and knows English football well .
Kompany is more experienced at a higher level of football.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by KRBFC » Thu May 26, 2022 8:43 pm

Goobs wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 8:14 pm
I didn't?

My point was Pep didn't invent keepers using their feet as Neuer was excellent at that before Pep in being able to play out from the back.
He absolutely did, others followed. Neuer being a follower. Pep has never coached any of the other 19 clubs in the PL, the majority still like their keeper to play. Pep is the reason why, he's simply a genius innovator football nerd.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu May 26, 2022 8:46 pm

https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/wh ... s%20career.

Sweeper keepers have been around forever in football

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by NewClaret » Thu May 26, 2022 8:47 pm

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He looked good on that you tube video, but if instead of watching him, you looked at the defenders on that video, you would notice that they were all shocking. I don't think he has enough to play like that in the championship, never mind the Prem, IF we are lucky.
Not trying to diss the guy, just being realistic. A decent defender would have prevented half of those runs.
Yes, take your point. This is my issue with assessing the prospects of any lower/foreign league player - I struggle to see if they could produce the same at a higher level against better players.

In this chaps case though, he just looks rapid. Pace is something we just definitely need and hopefully in a better team you’d be playing him in behind more so he actually needs to worry less about beating the defenders!

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu May 26, 2022 8:56 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 6:44 pm
Vastly Experienced in the dog fights of non prem football management with very thin resources . Like I said when /if VC gets the nod I’m all for what he can bring , though the naive nonsense that he’ll be bringing “ city stars “ is highly optimistic in the extreme . That said his inexperience is offset by his standing as a world class ex player multi lingual and knows English football well .
I've not even applied.....
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Spijed » Thu May 26, 2022 9:00 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 8:43 pm
He absolutely did, others followed. Neuer being a follower. Pep has never coached any of the other 19 clubs in the PL, the majority still like their keeper to play. Pep is the reason why, he's simply a genius innovator football nerd.
Except he's crap when it comes to playing the best in Europe.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by KRBFC » Thu May 26, 2022 9:08 pm

Spijed wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 9:00 pm
Except he's crap when it comes to playing the best in Europe.
Not sure about that, they've battered Madrid/PSG in previous seasons, I thought they battered them over 2 legs this season too. I think Liverpool are the 2nd best side in the world, City's reserves almost beat them in the semi final at Wembley.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by KRBFC » Thu May 26, 2022 9:09 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 8:46 pm
https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/wh ... s%20career.

Sweeper keepers have been around forever in football
Pep's goalkeepers are not sweeper keepers.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Claret Alfie » Thu May 26, 2022 9:27 pm

How could Pep be crap in Europe? The guy has won the Champions League twice.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by gandhisflipflop » Thu May 26, 2022 9:32 pm

Back to the topic, will it be confirmed tomorrow?

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu May 26, 2022 9:33 pm

Yes

Or maybe No

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