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Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by Milltown1882 » Mon Apr 25, 2022 10:17 pm

Been saying it for a few days but BBC noted tonight too permutations that could see Leeds, Everton and us all finishing on the same points. Would be the most memorable PL finish ever apart from ‘Agueroooooooo’. Hopefully we end up on the right side of it. UTC
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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by JR1882 » Mon Apr 25, 2022 10:33 pm

Goal difference is our friend! Here’s hoping!
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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by ElectroClaret » Mon Apr 25, 2022 10:40 pm

I just hope we're safe before the Newcastle game comes around.

Couldn't be doing with the strain on the nerves.
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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by claretblue » Mon Apr 25, 2022 10:47 pm

:?
JR1882 wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 10:33 pm
Goal difference is our friend!
not if Watford + Norwich City overtake all 3 of us!

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by Steve1956 » Mon Apr 25, 2022 10:49 pm

If that happens Leeds are doomed bring it on please...nothing would be funnier than them going down on goal difference

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Apr 25, 2022 10:50 pm

Good job we have the alphabetical advantage
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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by claretandy » Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:26 am

ElectroClaret wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 10:40 pm
I just hope we're safe before the Newcastle game comes around.

Couldn't be doing with the strain on the nerves.
Unless we win 3 of the next 4 there's no chance of us being safe before Newcastle, Sorry !

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by ClaretAL » Tue Apr 26, 2022 7:19 am

The Villa Games will be very telling.
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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by Spijed » Tue Apr 26, 2022 7:28 am

claretandy wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:26 am
Unless we win 3 of the next 4 there's no chance of us being safe before Newcastle, Sorry !
With a favourable set of results this weekend we would go into the Villa game knowing a win would take us 8 points clear of Everton.

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by Longsidebovril » Tue Apr 26, 2022 7:31 am

Imagine Wood bagging the winner on the last
Day.

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by bfcjg » Tue Apr 26, 2022 7:40 am

Longsidebovril wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 7:31 am
Imagine Wood bagging the winner on the last
Day.
Own goal winner, he wouldn't be offside.

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by RVclaret » Tue Apr 26, 2022 7:46 am

I think this seasons points required to stay up will be one of the higher ones. Everton will definitely win a few more games, I think we will too and Leeds should pick up another 3/4 points easily (puts them on 37/38).

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by Holmeclaret » Tue Apr 26, 2022 7:58 am

I have the three teams finishing in the same points. If I’m right it’s going to be bloody agonising

Leeds

City home L
Arsenal a L
Chelsea h D
Brighton h W
Brentford a D
39 points

Everton

Chelsea h W
Leicester a L
Watford a W
Brentford h D
Palace h W
Arsenal a L
39 points

Mighty Clarets

Watford a W
Villa h D
Spurs a L
Villa a D
Newcastle h W
39 points

( or possibly home win against Villa and an away loss which is a better scenario)

I think the above is a big ask for Everton but I think they’ll start to fight for soon - signs of that at Liverpool. It might also require a loss of form for Leeds.

One game at a time and all that but....

Leeds to go down on GD😀

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by martin_p » Tue Apr 26, 2022 8:10 am

A win for us at weekend would be massive, especially as we play before either Leeds or Everton. It would really put the pressure on, especially Everton who would go into their game five points from safety.
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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by jdrobbo » Tue Apr 26, 2022 8:15 am

Let’s just go all out and win as many games as possible BEFORE Newcastle. Let’s not forget, we’re an injury to a centre half or centre mid, away from being in the mire!
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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by claretblue » Tue Apr 26, 2022 8:51 am

bfcjg wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 7:40 am
Own goal winner, he wouldn't be offside.
you sure? 8-)

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by Firthy » Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:22 am

martin_p wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 8:10 am
A win for us at weekend would be massive, especially as we play before either Leeds or Everton. It would really put the pressure on, especially Everton who would go into their game five points from safety.
Realistically, I'd settle for a Burnley win, Everton draw and Leeds loss :)

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by Funkydrummer » Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:59 am

Isn't this scenario much better than mid table mediocrity ?

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by Spijed » Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:10 am

Firthy wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:22 am
Realistically, I'd settle for a Burnley win, Everton draw and Leeds loss :)
An Everton defeat would be much better.

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by Whitgord » Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:12 am

Perhaps we could play “rock, paper, scissor” to decide who goes down 😀

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by tiger76 » Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:17 am

Funkydrummer wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:59 am
Isn't this scenario much better than mid table mediocrity ?
Yes if you can guarantee staying up.

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by martin_p » Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:20 am

Spijed wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:10 am
An Everton defeat would be much better.
It would, although if we beat Watford anything other than an Everton win will make us masters of our own fate.

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by ElectroClaret » Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:25 am

Funkydrummer wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:59 am
Isn't this scenario much better than mid table mediocrity ?
Hell, no.

1) My nerves couldn't stand it season on season.
2) Mediocrity equals PL safety.
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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by tiger76 » Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:33 am

Let's just win at Watford, and what Everton and Leeds do is out of our hands, but we can definitely apply extreme pressure on both with 3 points, and if they step onto the pitch knowing we've won that will surely play on their minds.
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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:35 am

I reckon it will finish along the following lines

16) Leeds 38-40pts
17) Burnley 36-38pts
18) Everton 35-37 pts

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:48 am

Win at Watford and I reckon that would make us strong favourites to stay up

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by RVclaret » Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:50 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:48 am
Win at Watford and I reckon that would make us strong favourites to stay up
I’d agree with this

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by Bosscat » Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:52 am

tiger76 wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:33 am
Let's just win at Watford, and what Everton and Leeds do is out of our hands, but we can definitely apply extreme pressure on both with 3 points, and if they step onto the pitch knowing we've won that will surely play on their minds.
Agreed Tiger at least our destiny is now almost in our own hands again and hopefully not relying too much on others slipping up ... my m8 Kevin (a Leeds fan) is panicking slightly after last night but we are going to have a few pints in The Maypole Inn after the Newcastle game commiserating/congratulating or just generally enjoying a few pints 😂😂😂

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by Stayingup » Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:53 am

Steve1956 wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 10:49 pm
If that happens Leeds are doomed bring it on please...nothing would be funnier than them going down on goal difference
Oh there's one bloke comes on here who wouldn't like at all.

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by Bosscat » Tue Apr 26, 2022 11:03 am

Stayingup wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:53 am
Oh there's one bloke comes on here who wouldn't like at all.
😯 surely not 🤭🤭🤭

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Apr 26, 2022 11:06 am

Stayingup wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:53 am
Oh there's one bloke comes on here who wouldn't like at all.
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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by LoveCurryPies » Tue Apr 26, 2022 11:53 am

We win finish above Leeds and Everton.

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by bfcjg » Tue Apr 26, 2022 12:57 pm

We just cannot afford another slip up as per Norwich,Brentford, Leeds, Newcastle away etc. Let's hope the new team spirit,more expansive football sees us through.
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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by dibraidio » Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:15 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:35 am
I reckon it will finish along the following lines

16) Leeds 38-40pts
17) Burnley 36-38pts
18) Everton 35-37 pts
Everton have three wins and two draws since Christmas (15 games). To get to 37 points would mean that they'd need 8 points from 6 games. They're going to need to get back to the form they had at the start of the season but I can only see that happening if they sack Lampard and install Duncan Ferguson to get that new manager boost.

Leeds have 3 tricky ties and then two winnable games to end the season. They could lose all three and then beat Brighton and Brentford and still finish on 39. Leeds are actually in really good form with the same number of points from their last five as Man City!

I really feel that Burnley need to take 4 points from the next two games if we're going to be in with a chance of surviving.
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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by RVclaret » Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:20 pm

dibraidio wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:15 pm
Everton have three wins and two draws since Christmas (15 games). To get to 37 points would mean that they'd need 8 points from 6 games. They're going to need to get back to the form they had at the start of the season but I can only see that happening if they sack Lampard and install Duncan Ferguson to get that new manager boost.

Leeds have 3 tricky ties and then two winnable games to end the season. They could lose all three and then beat Brighton and Brentford and still finish on 39. Leeds are actually in really good form with the same number of points from their last five as Man City!

I really feel that Burnley need to take 4 points from the next two games if we're going to be in with a chance of surviving.
I think these next 2 will be telling for Everton. Both tough games on paper but face a Chelsea side who go to Old Trafford on Thursday and a Leicester side who are in Rome for a second leg semi final a few days before their game. So there could be a potential ‘shock’ on the cards.

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by FCBurnley » Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:50 pm

Leeds play City between their CL semis and Everton have Chelsea who play at Man U on Thursday. No such luck of the draw for us. Wolves had a 2 week rest prior to playing us. Leeds will try to wipe out De Britney just as they did with Zaha yesterday. Reverting to type might just save Leeds

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by Spijed » Tue Apr 26, 2022 5:20 pm

FCBurnley wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:50 pm
Leeds play City between their CL semis and Everton have Chelsea who play at Man U on Thursday. No such luck of the draw for us. Wolves had a 2 week rest prior to playing us. Leeds will try to wipe out De Britney just as they did with Zaha yesterday. Reverting to type might just save Leeds
Man City will have to give the Leeds game their full attention as they'll know it'll be almost impossible for them to win the league if they drop any points in that match.
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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by RVclaret » Tue Apr 26, 2022 5:21 pm

Spijed wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 5:20 pm
Man City will have to give the Leeds game their full attention as they'll know it'll be almost impossible for them to win the league if they drop any points in that match.
Spijed you usually have your list of points required to finish 17th over the past ‘x’ amount of seasons, as I feel this one could be closer to the higher end (37+), how would that rank compared?
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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by claretandy » Tue Apr 26, 2022 5:29 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 5:21 pm
Spijed you usually have your list of points required to finish 17th over the past ‘x’ amount of seasons, as I feel this one could be closer to the higher end (37+), how would that rank compared?
They showed this last night on Sky, 35 is the average, 37 is the highest number over the last few years.

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by RVclaret » Tue Apr 26, 2022 5:41 pm

claretandy wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 5:29 pm
They showed this last night on Sky, 35 is the average, 37 is the highest number over the last few years.
Ah thanks. I reckon it’ll be above average this year. I’ll say 38 points will guarantee safety.

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Apr 26, 2022 5:43 pm

dibraidio wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:15 pm
Everton have three wins and two draws since Christmas (15 games). To get to 37 points would mean that they'd need 8 points from 6 games. They're going to need to get back to the form they had at the start of the season but I can only see that happening if they sack Lampard and install Duncan Ferguson to get that new manager boost.

Leeds have 3 tricky ties and then two winnable games to end the season. They could lose all three and then beat Brighton and Brentford and still finish on 39. Leeds are actually in really good form with the same number of points from their last five as Man City!

I really feel that Burnley need to take 4 points from the next two games if we're going to be in with a chance of surviving.
I've got Everton as 35-37pts and going down so not sure you needed to post all that just to say you dont think Everton will get to the level of points that I have predicted as their best case scenario.

You do realise that form can change (especially at the end of the season) otherwise we could pack in the season after 6 games and just work out the league table on the form guide

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by claretandy » Tue Apr 26, 2022 5:46 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 5:41 pm
Ah thanks. I reckon it’ll be above average this year. I’ll say 38 points will guarantee safety.
With our GD, i think 37 will be enough, Leeds definitely need to get to 38 though.

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by KateR » Tue Apr 26, 2022 5:48 pm

I think 36 points will be enough to stay up and it's more likely 35 or less than it is 37 and above. I simply can not see all three teams getting above 36 given the fixtures, one team at least will fall short, if we win at Watford we're already on 34

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by Spijed » Tue Apr 26, 2022 5:54 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 5:21 pm
Spijed you usually have your list of points required to finish 17th over the past ‘x’ amount of seasons, as I feel this one could be closer to the higher end (37+), how would that rank compared?
Yes, you could very well be right. This could be an unusual season season simply because Everton are fighting for survival which may lead to a couple of extra points required. It's the complete reversal of Leicester winning the title that caused some teams to perform in unexpected ways.

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by Spijed » Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:03 pm

One thing I would caution against is looking at previous results and think that had we won, say at Brentford, we'd be in a more secure position. It never works like that.

Teams will always play games with one eye looking back on the previous matches. For example, had we beaten Brentford and perhaps drawn at home to Leicester the players might not have seen the Everton game important as it was and we might have not got the same result.

The season is always shaped by what's gone before and games shouldn't be treated as a single event.
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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by Pickles » Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:05 pm

FCBurnley wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:50 pm
Leeds will try to wipe out De Britney just as they did with Zaha yesterday. Reverting to type might just save Leeds
Let's hope it's baby one more time at least for Burnley in the Prem.

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by dibraidio » Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:11 pm

For what it's worth:

2016 Sunderland 18th after 33 games on 30 points. Norwich (17th) had 31 points.
After 38 games, Sunderland finished 17th with 39 points (+9) Norwich went down with 34 points (+3).

2017 Swansea were 18th on 28 points after 33 games. Hull City (17th) had 30 points.
After 38 games, Swansea finished 15th with 41 points (+13) Hull went down with 34 points (+4).

2018 Palace were 18th on 31 points after 33 games. Swansea (15th) had 32 points.
After 38 games, Palace finished 11th with 44 points (+13) Swansea went down with 33 points (+1).

2019 Cardiff were 18th on 31 points after 33 games. Brighton (17th) had 33 points.
After 38 games, Cardiff went down (18th) with 34 points (+3) Brighton stayed with 36 points (+3).

2020 Villa were 18th on 27 points after 33 games. Watford (17th) had 28 points.
After 38 games, Villa finished 17th with 35 points (+8) Watford went down with 34 (+6) points.

2021 Fulham were 18th on 27 points after 33 games. Brighton (17th) had 34 points.
After 38 games, Fulham went down (18th) with 28 points (+1) Brighton stayed up with 41 (+7) points.

Everton could be on 29 or 32 depending on their result against Chelsea.
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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by taio » Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:11 pm

Spijed wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:03 pm
One thing I would caution against is looking at previous results and think that had we won, say at Brentford, we'd be in a more secure position. It never works like that.

Teams will always play games with one eye looking back on the previous matches. For example, had we beaten Brentford and perhaps drawn at home to Leicester the players might not have seen the Everton game important as it was and we might have not got the same result.

The season is always shaped by what's gone before and games shouldn't be treated as a single event.
I would've thought just about every manager in the Football League tries to instill in his players that each game is a single event. How many times have you heard a manager use the 'one game at the time' mantra? The objective of course is to move on from the last game - if you've lost don't beat yourselves up about it; if you've won don't become complacent.

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by Elbarad » Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:17 pm

If we beat Watford there's no reasonable way they can catch us. 12 points ahead with 4 games left and at least a 22 goal difference. That would make their game against Everton almost certainly irrelevant for Watford, though maybe once they're down the pressure will lift and they'll start pouring in goals for fun.

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Re: Three teams finishing on the same points?

Post by bobinho » Tue Apr 26, 2022 7:38 pm

Whilst we are working out how many points clubs are likely to get, is there any reason why people aren't factoring in Everton being deducted points? Yep, I know it hasn't happened, but I was speaking to Everton fan today, and according to him it seems the spectre of FFP is looming large for them.... Question is, will anything happen in time for a points deduction this year, or will it be next year? Will it even be at all? The cynic in me thinks not.

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