RATE THE REF - David Coote v Aston Villa

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Sat May 07, 2022 4:21 pm

David Coote (Nottinghamshire) v Aston Villa

How to Score
A. Decision Making (including use of advantage) - out of 25
B. Consistency - out of 25
C. Fitness and Positioning - of 25
D. Control and Authority - out of 25

Please only Rate the Ref if you attended the game and only do so, after the game has ended.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sat May 07, 2022 4:39 pm

On your marks ... get set ...

The only saving grace for him today is that we performed even worse than he did.

Father Jack · Post by **Father Jack** » Sat May 07, 2022 4:58 pm

How long did Martinez waste in the first half?
How often did he do it?
Pathetic ref

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Sat May 07, 2022 5:06 pm

Father Jack wrote: ↑
Sat May 07, 2022 4:58 pm
How long did Martinez waste in the first half?
How often did he do it?
Pathetic ref

Less than 2 mins according to Coote

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat May 07, 2022 5:07 pm

I thought he was terrible but then I was on the game so I may have been influenced by the crowd so he may well have had a text book game.

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Sat May 07, 2022 5:12 pm

tarkys_ears wrote: ↑
Sat May 07, 2022 5:06 pm
Less than 2 mins according to Coote

I don’t want this to interfere with the marking, but let’s just be clear about the rules here. Martinez wasted an incredible amount of time in the first half but two minutes of injury time was the right outcome…

The issue here is that the referee allowed Martinez to keep the ball in his hands on five or six occasions, for a great deal of time. The ball in these instances, was in play, so the time should not have been added on. However, the referee should’ve booked the goalkeeper for doing it and stamped it out. Instead, he allowed it to continue over and over again, and therefore his control and authority score will likely be very low.

Stevie2112 · Post by **Stevie2112** » Sat May 07, 2022 5:15 pm

Can't disagree JDR,however,how come on a minimum of two minutes added on,he only played one minute 55 seconds? Terrible performance

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat May 07, 2022 5:16 pm

He was dreadful - blatant dive by Watkins in the penalty area as well that he bottled on issuing a yellow

Boss Hogg · Post by **Boss Hogg** » Sat May 07, 2022 5:17 pm

Awful refereeing performance.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat May 07, 2022 5:19 pm

CoolClaret wrote: ↑
Sat May 07, 2022 5:16 pm
He was dreadful - blatant dive by Watkins in the penalty area as well that he bottled on issuing a yellow

Watkins fell over, do we book everyone for falling over? He never appealed for a penalty.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Sat May 07, 2022 5:20 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sat May 07, 2022 5:19 pm
Watkins fell over, do we book everyone for falling over? He never appealed for a penalty.

It looked like he was appealing from where we were sat, if we are talking about the incident with tarks?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat May 07, 2022 5:21 pm

Referee was fine imo, aside from the Martinez antics in the 1st half. Didn't have any huge decisions to make, rightly gave out yellow cards to Brownhill, Digne and Watkins.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat May 07, 2022 5:21 pm

burnleymik wrote: ↑
Sat May 07, 2022 5:20 pm
It looked like he was appealing from where we were sat, if we are talking about the incident with tarks?

Yeah he didn't appeal for anything, he fell over and quickly got up to try and win the ball back.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Sat May 07, 2022 5:23 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sat May 07, 2022 5:21 pm
Yeah he didn't appeal for anything, he fell over and quickly got up to try and win the ball back.

Yes, that's the one, then he fell over Tarks trying to get it back and started appealing, IIRC.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat May 07, 2022 5:24 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sat May 07, 2022 5:21 pm
Yeah he didn't appeal for anything, he fell over and quickly got up to try and win the ball back.

I didn't see anything with Watkins either - didn't do anything wrong unless there was a different incident I missed.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Sat May 07, 2022 5:25 pm

Weak as ****. The kind of referee who is way out of his depth in completely the wrong profession.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Sat May 07, 2022 5:28 pm

He bottled it completely on a good number of occasions, but most specifically with the Martinez time wasting first half.

A. 4
B. 22 - consistently awful
C. 21
D. 5

Father Jack · Post by **Father Jack** » Sat May 07, 2022 5:28 pm

How many times when Pope tried to play quickly did Watkins impede him by standing too close.
So the same referee allows a keeper to time waste and allows them to stop the other keeper from playing quickly.
Very poor.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat May 07, 2022 5:35 pm

A. 11
B. 11
C. 15
D. 7

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sat May 07, 2022 5:38 pm

I'd have given similar marks to CT if I'd been at the game and able to pass judgment.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Sat May 07, 2022 5:43 pm

Genuinely mystifying how someone can referee in the Premier league without knowing the laws of the game. There's 2 massive clocks there, literally everyone can see he's got the ball in his hands for 20 seconds.

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Sat May 07, 2022 5:48 pm

burnleymik wrote: ↑
Sat May 07, 2022 5:28 pm
He bottled it completely on a good number of occasions, but most specifically with the Martinez time wasting first half.

A. 4
B. 22 - consistently awful
C. 21
D. 5

If you are saying the referee is consistently awful, then may I ask why you have scored him so high?

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Sat May 07, 2022 5:49 pm

A. 10
B. 7
C. 12
D. 7

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat May 07, 2022 6:02 pm

jdrobbo wrote: ↑
Sat May 07, 2022 5:48 pm
If you are saying the referee is consistently awful, then may I ask why you have scored him so high?

To be fair, if he thought he was consistently awful, he has been consistent.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat May 07, 2022 6:04 pm

Is there a category for making flamboyant arm gestures in random directions whilst jogging around generally looking totally clueless as to why one is in the middle of a football stadium wearing an official uniform and armed with a whistle? A bit niche I know, but I’d probably give him 25 for that.

Not sure I’ve ever seen a referee carry less authority. He was like the school teacher who gets rubbers thrown at him by the kids every time he turns to face the chalk board.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sat May 07, 2022 6:14 pm

Typical Coote

11
9
15
9

He is dog awful as a ref, if they can get Friend and Oliver in before the seasons out, they'll have finally got shut of us

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sat May 07, 2022 6:15 pm

He was absolutely dreadful, but tbh it didn't cost us the match. That in the end was down to us.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat May 07, 2022 6:17 pm

Can you give less than a zero score?

-0
-0
-0
-0

Couldn't care less about anything. Just get it over.
Wasn't looking most of the time and not bothered enough to take any action over anything.
T o s s e r

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat May 07, 2022 6:19 pm

10
8
15
8

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Sat May 07, 2022 6:27 pm

A. 10
B. 7
C. 14
D. 6

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Sat May 07, 2022 6:47 pm

Should have booked their goalie
Missed us taking a free kick whilst ball rolling
Called mings back on the pitch after an injury before he'd even left the field

All basic reffing decisions.... If he Carnt get them right, there's no hope for the big ones.

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Sat May 07, 2022 6:53 pm

Falls for every trick in the book can’t wait to give fouls for very little contact, there must be better refs than him anywhere in the country even Sunday league.

Time the FA sorted out a professional organisation for refs in this country we are a laughing stock, the quality is abysmal, get an elite mix of different nationalities in and pay them the going rate.

MT03ALG · Post by **MT03ALG** » Sat May 07, 2022 7:35 pm

The referee's awful performance probably did not affect the outcome of the game but he was truly abysmal.
5
5
10
2
It was absolutely incredible that Martinez did not leave the game with at least one yellow card for time wasting.
The added time of two minutes at the end of the first half was totally laughable and simply showed what an inept performance the referee had displayed. The two goal celebrations lasted at least one minute each and Martinez held the ball for at least 10 seconds on most occasions. My theory is that Coote was too fearful of awarding Martinez a yellow card in the first half just in case he might have to award him a second yellow in the second half.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat May 07, 2022 7:36 pm

Good luck with the ratings for him!

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Sat May 07, 2022 7:47 pm

Well I thought Kevin Friend was the worst but Coote has surpassed that ...
5
4
6
4
Is my vote today

He was abysmal

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Sat May 07, 2022 7:55 pm

12
9
14
7

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Sat May 07, 2022 8:33 pm

A - 8
B - 5
C - 15
D - 5

Villa like all top sides will have a dossier on each ref and a strategy for how to handle them. They must have known Coote shows little authority, likes niggly fouls and gets influenced by big name players. I’m convinced if this were, say, Mike Dean, Villa’s tactics would have been different.

Probably didn’t influence the outcome though, we did that all on our own.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat May 07, 2022 8:51 pm

He was alright for 30 minutes, apart from failing to clamp down on Martinez. But once he’s failed to do that, and Villa stepped up their gamesmanship, he panicked, lost his composure and his decision making deteriorated as a result. The second half wasn’t difficult to referee but he did it notably badly.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Sat May 07, 2022 8:57 pm

Total shite he ignored the climbing on players and hauling them down by Villa
The clown in goals time wasting was outrageous and over the ball tackles and rugby tackles on Wout ignored.

Claretincraven · Post by **Claretincraven** » Sat May 07, 2022 9:12 pm

Is it still a law of the game that the goalkeeper can only hold the ball for six seconds?
Now I know it’s not really policed in professional football, but today Martinez just took the wee wee.
Is it still a law that when the goal keeper transgresses on that law that an indirect free kick is awarded?
If so why did that useless piece of sh1t merely wave at him to hurry up, repeatedly, in the first half, rather than award such a free kick?
If we have professional referees that don’t apply the laws correctly what chance is there?
If that situation arose in a local league game and the referee ignored it he would get slated by the assessor, so why is it ok in the professional game.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Sun May 08, 2022 2:20 am

What was the drop ball incident in the second half? he didnt even look like he had consulted our players before doing it. Maybe wrong though. If so dont think I have seen that happen before

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Sun May 08, 2022 3:35 am

Villa were exceptional at getting what they wanted from him. Leaving trailing legs, only looking like there was contact, going down, free kick. At corners, defenders rugby tackling our players to the ground, totally ingnored. Every time their keeper kicked from his hands, he was at least 4 yards outside the box.

He was basically just rubbish.

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Sun May 08, 2022 7:43 am

I thought refs gave one warning for time wasting and followed that with a booking? Does anyone know if that is the case.

If so, I am sure I counted at least four separate warnings given to their keeper without subsequent action.

clansman · Post by **clansman** » Sun May 08, 2022 8:07 am

a. 8
B.10
C. 15
D. 6

Sproggy · Post by **Sproggy** » Sun May 08, 2022 8:27 am

A. 10
B. 15
C. 20
D. 5

beeholeclaret · Post by **beeholeclaret** » Sun May 08, 2022 9:34 am

He was shocking IMO. Martinez allowed to waste time which the ref indicated would be added on but obviously failed to do so. Villa players dropping like they’d been shot and ref rushing into their aid with free kicks. Ignoring blatant fouls on Burnley players and just waving play on (Weghorst first half wrestled to the ground as he tried to break down the right).

The worst one for me was when Mings headed the ball clear in the 2nd half and feigned serious injury. Burnley were trying hard to get back in the game and we were attacking on the right wing and the ref blew to stop our attack and get treatment for the England centre back. Sure enough he was right as rain after wasting another 2 minutes. I waited for the ref to restart with a drop ball (in the area where we were attacking) and with an instruction to Villa to not contest it. Instead he just handed the ball to Villa’s keeper and the game went on! I was apoplectic! By the last 20 minutes he had completely lost the plot and Villa’s players were bossing Burnley and virtually refereeing the match as well.

I feel better now I’ve got that off my chest.

I know I’m biased but……

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun May 08, 2022 9:46 am

Apart from giving them the ball after their man feigned a head injury snd we had the ball in attack, the other really blatant, couldn't care less moment, was when Weghorst was just hauled down on the touchline. Neither lino nor ref even blinked. It was a clearest of FKs. As it happens, McNeil ran about 15 yards and somehow, in tge confusion, took the ball and had a shot. The Villa players obviously thought it was a FK.

Nothing for Burnley and anything goes from them, to waste time.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun May 08, 2022 9:48 am

I wish the lotto was as predicable as the Premier league....

2 down, 2 to go...

Leyland Claret · Post by **Leyland Claret** » Sun May 08, 2022 11:50 am

The thing that summed his performance up was when Chambers was getting subbed. He told him to leave at the closest point which was towards the Longside but Chambers decided he wasn’t going that way and walked towards the Jimmy Mac instead. Weak as p*** refereeing and IMO one of the worst, if not the worst, referee performances of the season.

depechedingle · Post by **depechedingle** » Sun May 08, 2022 11:55 am

a 3
b 3
c 12
d 3

The very weakest of referees. At least his lack of authority wasn't the reason we lost.

Better referees up Towneley.