Dan Neil

[Hedontplayforyou]

Apparently we are still interested in this lad , linked previously to Dan Neil , 20 year old midfielder from Sunderland

[RVclaret]

Yeah Nixon reporting this today I’ve seen. Glad to see he’s the sort of profile they do still want.

[ClaretTony]

I don't know too much about him, but my Sunderland texted me with a 'Hands Off' warning when we were linked with him in January. I was told at the time that there was no interest in him.

[tiger76]

Just looking up his details, he won't come cheap as he's recently signed an extension until 2025.

And given we could well be playing in the Championship with Sunderland next season why would he consider a move to Burnley being an upgrade.

I do agree he's exactly the type we should be targeting, England under20 international, and in a key midfield area where we need to strengthen, and get young legs in there.

[taio]

Just looking up his details, he won't come cheap as he's recently signed an extension until 2025.

And given we could well be playing in the Championship with Sunderland next season why would he consider a move to Burnley being an upgrade.

I do agree he's exactly the type we should be targeting, England under20 international, and in a key midfield area where we need to strengthen, and get young legs in there.

I would hope and expect that the club is planning for different eventualities. Including us being in the Premier League (and Sunderland not getting promoted).

[wilks_bfc]

I don't know too much about him, but my Sunderland texted me with a 'Hands Off' warning when we were linked with him in January. I was told at the time that there was no interest in him.

My Sunderland mate said the same thing

[what_no_pies]

Looked their best player when I've seen him but not played much recently. Seems odd.

[Aclaret]

On the bench tonight v Sheff Wed.

[Jambo]

Sunderland fans I know were fuming when he was linked with us before, insisting he should go to a bigger club. Weird that he barely gets a game for them in the third division at the moment if he's so good.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Sunderland fans I know were fuming when he was linked with us before, insisting he should go to a bigger club. Weird that he barely gets a game for them in the third division at the moment if he's so good.

A few of my mates are Sunderland fans, they think he’s going to be a really good talent but the general consensus is that he is still very raw and often let’s the emotions of the game effect him. He’s still young so plenty of time to sort them aspects of his game out

[Cirrus_Minor]

Not sure if there is truth in this but I always find it bizarre that clubs seek out players before a new manager is in place.

[Selby Claret]

Not sure if there is truth in this but I always find it bizarre that clubs seek out players before a new manager is in place.

I said the same about J-Rod's new contract - odd that he has signed a new deal when the new manager may not even want him?

[ClaretTony]

I said the same about J-Rod's new contract - odd that he has signed a new deal when the new manager may not even want him?

That's how it is now at Burnley from what I can see.

Dyche would always bring in players to fit into his system. But that hasn't looked the case with some signings this season in particular.

[Iloveyoubrady]

That's how it is now at Burnley from what I can see.

Dyche would always bring in players to fit into his system. But that hasn't looked the case with some signings this season in particular.

Can only think your saying Weghorst. Cornet was scouted for years and dyche openly said they had been monitoring him since well before ALK came around. Weghorst seems the one who simply doesn’t fit into a dyche team.

[Jambo]

Players probably stay at clubs longer than managers for the most part now. Not saying that's right or wrong, but it's reality, so it makes sense in that context for recruitment not to be solely down to the manager. I can't imagine Dyche was the one pushing to sign Cornet, for example.

Doesn't make sense for managers to have full control over transfers when they will probably be gone in 2-3 years max. I wouldn't be surprised if we put a sporting director/something similar in place (Jenkins?) and the next manager was more of a 'head coach'. Lots of clubs work like that these days.

[RVclaret]

Can only think your saying Weghorst. Cornet was scouted for years and dyche openly said they had been monitoring him since well before ALK came around. Weghorst seems the one who simply doesn’t fit into a dyche team.

6 foot 6, proven goalscorer, hardest worker in Europe (according to stats). Agree re. system to some degree but what other options were there in January at the last min?

[ClaretTony]

Can only think your saying Weghorst. Cornet was scouted for years and dyche openly said they had been monitoring him since well before ALK came around. Weghorst seems the one who simply doesn’t fit into a dyche team.

Cornet had been on the radar but I'm not certain it was Dyche's radar. I'm not certain Roberts is the kind of player Dyche would have signed, doesn't really fit into the Dyche system and Weghorst definitely doesn't. Dyche said more than once about Cornet that they were trying to find his best position and of Weghorst he said they were trying to work out the best way to use him. I just think Dyche would have signed a striker who fit into his system and Weghorst definitely didn't.

[Newcastleclaret93]

6 foot 6, proven goalscorer, hardest worker in Europe (according to stats). Agree re. system to some degree but what other options were there in January at the last min?

Depends doesn’t it. I’m sure with the wood money we could have got a few promising players from the championship.

Weghorst has just been an all round poor signing. High fee, high wages, old age.

[Targetman]

Depends doesn’t it. I’m sure with the wood money we could have got a few promising players from the championship.

Weghorst has just been an all round poor signing. High fee, high wages, old age.

Didn't you say something similar about Nathan Collins?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Didn't you say something similar about Nathan Collins?

No I didn’t actually, I said he was poor against Norwich. Which he was in my opinion.

[Targetman]

No I didn’t actually, I said he was poor against Norwich. Which he was in my opinion.

Didn't you describe him as "Bambi on ice" when he first came into the team?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Didn't you describe him as "Bambi on ice" when he first came into the team?

Yep in the player ratings against Norwich. Which he was in my opinion as he was constantly falling over.

I think a one of player rating is slightly different to Weghorst being poor over nearly 20 games.

[PremierLeagueClass]

Cornet had been on the radar but I'm not certain it was Dyche's radar. I'm not certain Roberts is the kind of player Dyche would have signed, doesn't really fit into the Dyche system and Weghorst definitely doesn't. Dyche said more than once about Cornet that they were trying to find his best position and of Weghorst he said they were trying to work out the best way to use him. I just think Dyche would have signed a striker who fit into his system and Weghorst definitely didn't.

With the position we were in after Wood left, I don’t think there are many in football that would have deemed Weghorst a poor signing. I’m a huge Dyche fan but I do fear his inability to work out the best way to use certain types of players will limit how far he can go as a manager. Who knows, if he’d stayed (and kept us up),had a full pre season with Weghorst, Cornet and Roberts, he might have cracked it.

[Targetman]

Yep in the player ratings against Norwich. Which he was in my opinion as he was constantly falling over.

I think a one of player rating is slightly different to Weghorst being poor over nearly 20 games.

[Newcastleclaret93]

You clearly think Weghorst has been a successful signing then?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

You clearly think Weghorst has been a successful signing then?

At this moment in time, I'm still in the Jury's out camp.
We signed him to score, along with being a nuisance upfront and as yet he isn't scoring many although he is getting himself into the shooting positions etc so it's not like he isn't trying.

I'm willing to give him time, due to him relocating and the club changing manager all within a short space of time.
We also need a manager to find a way to get the best out of him and if needs be find him a strike partner so they can click, like we've had in the past.

[Newcastleclaret93]

At this moment in time, I'm still in the Jury's out camp.
We signed him to score, along with being a nuisance upfront and as yet he isn't scoring many although he is getting himself into the shooting positions etc so it's not like he isn't trying.

I'm willing to give him time, due to him relocating and the club changing manager all within a short space of time.
We also need a manager to find a way to get the best out of him and if needs be find him a strike partner so they can click, like we've had in the past.

Don’t get me wrong he’s had to adapt quickly. If I’m honest I haven’t seen anything to suggest he’s a premier league player. Looks Miles off it on current form.

However, in terms of value for money signings he’s got to be up there as worst value for money. No sell on profit and approaching the age that would make it likely we make a loss on him.

[ClaretTony]

With the position we were in after Wood left, I don’t think there are many in football that would have deemed Weghorst a poor signing. I’m a huge Dyche fan but I do fear his inability to work out the best way to use certain types of players will limit how far he can go as a manager. Who knows, if he’d stayed (and kept us up),had a full pre season with Weghorst, Cornet and Roberts, he might have cracked it.

Point I was making was that Dyche had a way of playing and signed players to fit in with it. I don't think he'd have ever considered signing a player like Weghorst. It wasn't to discuss how he would have cracked it, to use your terminology, I was replying to a comment on players being signed without the manager making the decision.

[Quicknick]

Depends doesn’t it. I’m sure with the wood money we could have got a few promising players from the championship.

Weghorst has just been an all round poor signing. High fee, high wages, old age.

Weghorst is a much player than you claim.

[ClaretTony]

Weghorst is a much player than you claim.

Time will tell but he looks a long way short of being a Premier League player to me.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Weghorst is a much player than you claim.

Is he though?

This league is a massive step up from the leagues he has played in. Looks miles away from being a premier league player.

[RVclaret]

Is he though?

This league is a massive step up from the leagues he has played in. Looks miles away from being a premier league player.

Spurs / Arsenal were both linked the previous season. He’s a full Dutch international. 1 in 2 record in one of the main leagues in Europe. That’s all the sign of a player who is decent enough to play for Burnley FC.

I think we’ve seen genuine signs of his ability (United home 2nd half, Brighton away, West Ham away, Southampton home, Wolves home) but it hasn’t been anywhere near consistent enough. Is that due to settling into a new league, possibly, is it due to our direct playing style, possibly. But there is a decent player in there and hopefully we stay up, bring in a manager capable of getting us playing more progressive football - then let’s see.

[PremierLeagueClass]

Point I was making was that Dyche had a way of playing and signed players to fit in with it. I don't think he'd have ever considered signing a player like Weghorst. It wasn't to discuss how he would have cracked it, to use your terminology, I was replying to a comment on players being signed without the manager making the decision.

I was making a separate point following on from what you’d said. Rightly or wrongly, there can’t be many managers these days with that level of control. He had the opportunity this season to demonstrate that he could be versatile as a manager. Time will tell whether that failure was down to him or the players simply not being good enough.

[Jel]

I clicked on this thread expecting to read about Dan Neil.
How foolish!

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Spurs / Arsenal were both linked the previous season. He’s a full Dutch international. 1 in 2 record in one of the main leagues in Europe. That’s all the sign of a player who is decent enough to play for Burnley FC.

I think we’ve seen genuine signs of his ability (United home 2nd half, Brighton away, West Ham away, Southampton home, Wolves home) but it hasn’t been anywhere near consistent enough. Is that due to settling into a new league, possibly, is it due to our direct playing style, possibly. But there is a decent player in there and hopefully we stay up, bring in a manager capable of getting us playing more progressive football - then let’s see.

Both Spurs and Arsenal have signed players from Europe who were good over there but flopped here.

Spurs, after they sold Bale, went on a splurge and signed Soldado...he was gash

[Newcastleclaret93]

Spurs / Arsenal were both linked the previous season. He’s a full Dutch international. 1 in 2 record in one of the main leagues in Europe. That’s all the sign of a player who is decent enough to play for Burnley FC.

I think we’ve seen genuine signs of his ability (United home 2nd half, Brighton away, West Ham away, Southampton home, Wolves home) but it hasn’t been anywhere near consistent enough. Is that due to settling into a new league, possibly, is it due to our direct playing style, possibly. But there is a decent player in there and hopefully we stay up, bring in a manager capable of getting us playing more progressive football - then let’s see.

I think it’s a stretch to say he did well in a few of them games.

For me personally he’s had two good half’s of football for us. Against United and Brighton.

The rest of the time he just looks like he is chasing shadows (probably why he leads the pressures applied chart).

I can’t see him ever being remotely prolific at this level unfortunately.

[RVclaret]

I think it’s a stretch to say he did well in a few of them games.

For me personally he’s had two good half’s of football for us. Against United and Brighton.

The rest of the time he just looks like he is chasing shadows (probably why he leads the pressures applied chart).

I can’t see him ever being remotely prolific at this level unfortunately.

I don’t agree that he’s only had 2 good half’s at all.

Maybe he won’t be ‘remotely prolific’ and doesn’t necessarily have to be. Crystal Palace have had a great season, many would argue, yet their top scoring striker has 6 goals. Southampton are comfortable, their top scoring striker has 9 goals, Brighton are in 9th with their top scorer on 9 goals.

I think his link up play at times is excellent and with 3 assists to his name, shows that he’s got final third quality. To compare, Wood had 0 assists this season for us and McNeil also has 0. Unfortunately he’s disappointed in games against opposition you’d hope he’d be more dominant against, Norwich, Watford and Brentford spring to mind.