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Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by claretandy » Wed May 11, 2022 4:32 pm

We're back in for him according to Jorge Nicola.

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by jedi_master » Wed May 11, 2022 4:36 pm

Silva and Arthur Gomes up front next season?

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by IanMcL » Wed May 11, 2022 8:39 pm

Long John and Arthur Askey maybe.

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by Bosscat » Wed May 11, 2022 8:44 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 8:39 pm
Long John and Arthur Askey maybe.
New songs then ... chants of Pieces of Eight, a couple verses of "15 men on a dead mans Chest" and Bertie would love Arthur Askeys Bee song
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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by IanMcL » Wed May 11, 2022 8:45 pm

Cracked it!

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed May 11, 2022 8:56 pm

claretandy wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 4:32 pm
We're back in for him according to Jorge Nicola.

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I suspect it’s nonsense.

20 year old lad that can’t get a game in a tin pot league. Can’t see why we would be remotely interested.

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by KRBFC » Wed May 11, 2022 9:04 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 8:56 pm
I suspect it’s nonsense.

20 year old lad that can’t get a game in a tin pot league. Can’t see why we would be remotely interested.
Tin pot? lol such stupid disrespect for a league that's produced world class talent, with absolutely huge clubs.

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed May 11, 2022 9:05 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 9:04 pm
Tin pot? lol such stupid disrespect for a league that's produced world class talent, with absolutely huge clubs.
Any decent talent gets picked up young and shipped off to Europe.

A lad that can’t even break into there starting eleven out there should not be interesting us at all.

You can say whatever you want about the league but it’s knowhere near comparable to even the top two leagues of this country.

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by KRBFC » Wed May 11, 2022 9:08 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 9:05 pm
Any decent talent gets picked up young and shipped off to Europe.

A lad that can’t even break into there starting eleven out there should not be interesting us at all.

You can say whatever you want about the league but it’s knowhere near comparable to even the top two leagues of this country.
It's not comparable to most of the clubs in the PL but you're forgetting every PL club gets like £140m a year income. Palmeiras recently took Chelsea to extra time didn't they? and Palmeiras aren't the best side in Brazil. Imo Corinthians, Flamengo (from 2 years ago), Atletico Mineiro and Palmeiras are near the top of the Championship.

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by Juan Tanamera » Wed May 11, 2022 9:11 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 8:56 pm
I suspect it’s nonsense.

20 year old lad that can’t get a game in a tin pot league. Can’t see why we would be remotely interested.
So we shouldn't be interested in any talented player because (in your opinion) they play in a tinpot league?
Laughable!
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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by KRBFC » Wed May 11, 2022 9:11 pm

Juan Tanamera wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 9:11 pm
So we shouldn't be interested in any talented player because (in your opinion) they play in a tinpot league?
Laughable!
Every league is tinpot to people who only watch English PL football.
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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed May 11, 2022 9:16 pm

Juan Tanamera wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 9:11 pm
So we shouldn't be interested in any talented player because (in your opinion) they play in a tinpot league?
Laughable!
Got to love the supposed foreign football experts on this board.

It really is laughable. I’m sure there’s 20 year old kids that don’t play in Europe we can go after as well, probably cheaper and easier to bed in.

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed May 11, 2022 9:17 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 9:11 pm
Every league is tinpot to people who only watch English PL football.
You can’t seriously be comparing the PL with the Brazilian division?

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by KRBFC » Wed May 11, 2022 9:27 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 9:17 pm
You can’t seriously be comparing the PL with the Brazilian division?
Where did I do this?

I just said it's not comparable to the PL where every club gets £130m income a year.

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by boatshed bill » Wed May 11, 2022 9:27 pm

so am i right in thinking there are no decent players in Brazil?

OK.

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed May 11, 2022 9:30 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 9:27 pm
so am i right in thinking there are no decent players in Brazil?

OK.
I’m sure there are. But they are probably playing football.

The guy we are linked with played twice this season.

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by KRBFC » Wed May 11, 2022 9:30 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 9:27 pm
so am i right in thinking there are no decent players in Brazil?

OK.
Exactly lol such a narrow minded way to look at things. That teenager Brighton just signed from the Eduadorian league looks very good. Lets just dismiss everything at tinpot though... Some of the clubs in Brazil are ******* huge too, they make us look tinpot.

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by KRBFC » Wed May 11, 2022 9:32 pm

Douglas Costa went back to his home town team Gremio last season, he was **** and they got relegated. The Brazilian league is a higher standard than many think, it's not amateur league tinpot.

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed May 11, 2022 9:34 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 9:30 pm
Exactly lol such a narrow minded way to look at things. That teenager Brighton just signed from the Eduadorian league looks very good. Lets just dismiss everything at tinpot though... Some of the clubs in Brazil are ******* huge too, they make us look tinpot.
You mean the kid they signed with 20 international appearances and 20 odd performances that season.

Slightly different to a lad that managed 2 games this season.

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by KRBFC » Wed May 11, 2022 9:35 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 9:34 pm
You mean the kid they signed with 20 international appearances and 20 odd performances that season.

Slightly different to a lad that managed 2 games this season.
I never said Gabriel Silva was good or bad, just argued with your idea that Brazilian league is tinpot so we should dismiss players solely on that.
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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed May 11, 2022 9:36 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 9:35 pm
I never said Gabriel Silva was good or bad, just argued with your idea that Brazilian league is tinpot so we should dismiss players solely on that.
The league is Tin pot in relation to the premier league.

We especially shouldn’t be looking at players that can’t even get into a team that is playing at a considerably lower level.

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by boatshed bill » Wed May 11, 2022 9:38 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 9:36 pm
The league is Tin pot in relation to the premier league.

We especially shouldn’t be looking at players that can’t even get into a team that is playing at a considerably lower level.
We should be looking at players with potential, doesn't matter which league they play in.

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by Rowls » Wed May 11, 2022 9:38 pm

Not for me thanks.

Not if Newcastleclaret93 doesn't rate him.
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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by KRBFC » Wed May 11, 2022 9:38 pm

Also why do you keep saying he's only played 2 games this season? the Brazilian league literally started weeks ago, they're like 4 games into the new season.
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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by Pickles » Wed May 11, 2022 9:40 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 9:05 pm
Any decent talent gets picked up young and shipped off to Europe.

A lad that can’t even break into there starting eleven out there should not be interesting us at all.

You can say whatever you want about the league but it’s knowhere near comparable to even the top two leagues of this country.
Well if that's the outright criteria for any signings, they're going to be few and far between and never mind expensive.
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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed May 11, 2022 9:42 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 9:38 pm
We should be looking at players with potential, doesn't matter which league they play in.
It’s not football manager though, if your Chelsea or city and can hoard hundreds of young players then great. We just simply can’t do that, every signing we make has to have the premise of making it in the premier league.

If this kid was regularly playing in the Brazilian league then yes why not risk it. But given he can’t even get a game out there I think it’s pretty clear he’s not the level required.

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed May 11, 2022 9:43 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 9:38 pm
Also why do you keep saying he's only played 2 games this season? the Brazilian league literally started weeks ago, they're like 4 games into the new season.
I was referring to the 2021 season where he played twice.

He played 3 games of the bench the season before.

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by Juan Tanamera » Wed May 11, 2022 9:43 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 9:16 pm
Got to love the supposed foreign football experts on this board.

It really is laughable. I’m sure there’s 20 year old kids that don’t play in Europe we can go after as well, probably cheaper and easier to bed in.
Who said anything about foreign football experts?
And how many 20 year olds in Europe will be cheaper than £2m?
I wait your foreign football expertise to come to the foreign.

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed May 11, 2022 9:45 pm

unless he's played a wedge of games for Brazil he wouldn't get a work permit anyway would he ?

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by KRBFC » Wed May 11, 2022 9:49 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 9:43 pm
I was referring to the 2021 season where he played twice.

He played 3 games of the bench the season before.
He's played for Brazil at youth level, decent pedigree. Neither of us have seen him play. What's wrong with looking at young strikers not playing first team football? He's got years to grow, develop and mature then we'll see how good he is. I see no problem with looking to the future.

Remind me, what football had Danny Ings played when we signed him? he was 19 right? had been on loan in the Conference south and a few sporadic appearances for Bournemouth in League Two.

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by boatshed bill » Wed May 11, 2022 9:49 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 9:42 pm
It’s not football manager though, if your Chelsea or city and can hoard hundreds of young players then great. We just simply can’t do that, every signing we make has to have the premise of making it in the premier league.

If this kid was regularly playing in the Brazilian league then yes why not risk it. But given he can’t even get a game out there I think it’s pretty clear he’s not the level required.
That is incorrect.

We have signed the best part of a team for the U23s in the hope that they (or some of them) will make it to our first team.
do you honestly believe that every player we sign has PL potential?
Should we not keep looking in the hope that we can pick up a gem or two?

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed May 11, 2022 9:52 pm

Juan Tanamera wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 9:43 pm
Who said anything about foreign football experts?
And how many 20 year olds in Europe will be cheaper than £2m?
I wait your foreign football expertise to come to the foreign.
I’m sure there are plenty of 20 years olds with next to no first team football available for that.

I mean Emmanuel Dennis was signed for 3m euros with over 100 professional appearances and 10 international apps.

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed May 11, 2022 9:54 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 9:49 pm
That is incorrect.

We have signed the best part of a team for the U23s in the hope that they (or some of them) will make it to our first team.
do you honestly believe that every player we sign has PL potential?
Should we not keep looking in the hope that we can pick up a gem or two?
How many of them signings even had a fee let alone cost numerous millions of pounds. I can think of one Mancini.

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by boatshed bill » Wed May 11, 2022 9:55 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 9:54 pm
How many of them signings even had a fee let alone cost numerous millions of pounds. I can think of one Mancini.
Gomez-Mancini for starters as you point out.
it's not all about the fee though, is it?

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed May 11, 2022 9:58 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 9:55 pm
Gomez-Mancini for starters as you point out.
it's not all about the fee though, is it?
Surely it’s even more about the fee now?

Funds are evidently going to be incredibly tight, do you think spending 4m on someone like this is wise at the moment?

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by boatshed bill » Wed May 11, 2022 10:00 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 9:58 pm
Surely it’s even more about the fee now?

Funds are evidently going to be incredibly tight, do you think spending 4m on someone like this is wise at the moment?
TBH I've never heard of the lad.
I'm arguing the principle, not the detail on any player.
The money we spend is up to the directors.

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by Juan Tanamera » Wed May 11, 2022 10:00 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 9:52 pm
I’m sure there are plenty of 20 years olds with next to no first team football available for that.

I mean Emmanuel Dennis was signed for 3m euros with over 100 professional appearances and 10 international apps.
If I was you I'd be having a word with our South American scout(s) because according to the link above we were fairly close to signing signing the lad on loan with a view to a permanent deal.
It would appear the scout(s) haven't a clue.

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed May 11, 2022 10:03 pm

Juan Tanamera wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 10:00 pm
If I was you I'd be having a word with our South American scout(s) because according to the link above we were fairly close to signing signing the lad on loan with a view to a permanent deal.
It would appear the scout(s) haven't a clue.
Given there recent record I think someone needs to.

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed May 11, 2022 10:04 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 10:00 pm
TBH I've never heard of the lad.
I'm arguing the principle, not the detail on any player.
The money we spend is up to the directors.
But that’s what I mean.

In principle when funds are tight do you think this is the type of player we should be going for?

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by boatshed bill » Wed May 11, 2022 10:14 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 10:04 pm
But that’s what I mean.

In principle when funds are tight do you think this is the type of player we should be going for?
I don't actually know if there are funds. :D

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by KRBFC » Wed May 11, 2022 10:24 pm

You're writing off a player you've never seen play.
You called the Brazilian league tinpot, you've probably never watched a game.
You're even making up the fee to be 4 million when the article says we want him on loan.

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed May 11, 2022 10:41 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 10:24 pm
You're writing off a player you've never seen play.
You called the Brazilian league tinpot, you've probably never watched a game.
You're even making up the fee to be 4 million when the article says we want him on loan.
It clearly says that they wanted 2.8m in January. Then the video even mentions they want more than that fee if a deal is to be made in the summer. Yes loan with a view to buy. So fee is still relevant.

The Brazilian league is tin pot compared to the premier league. Same as the Croatian league/Portuguese/Scottish etc….

I’m sorry but if a 20 year old can’t get a game in a worse division what makes you think he’s up to it at this level?

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by KRBFC » Wed May 11, 2022 10:53 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 10:41 pm
It clearly says that they wanted 2.8m in January. Then the video even mentions they want more than that fee if a deal is to be made in the summer. Yes loan with a view to buy. So fee is still relevant.

The Brazilian league is tin pot compared to the premier league. Same as the Croatian league/Portuguese/Scottish etc….

I’m sorry but if a 20 year old can’t get a game in a worse division what makes you think he’s up to it at this level?
Like pulling teeth, if he's being looked at, he's being looked at for the future. Nobody said he's good enough right now.

Any fee will be absolutely loaded with performance related payments.

As for the tinpot stuff, well that's your disrespectful uneducated opinion.

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by claretburns » Wed May 11, 2022 11:08 pm

Hulk - 2 league games in Brazil before moving to Japanese 2nd division then to Porto.

Fabinho - played 0 games in Brazil before moving to Europe.

Coutinho - played 0 games in Brazil before signing for Inter.

Sure there are many more examples, players don't need to have played games at their current clubs for them not to be good players.

He is the kind of signing that if he signed for Watford for £3 million and was a success it would be all over this board "the type of player we need to sign", "we need to scout foreign markets for better deals" etc. But when we're linked with them "waste of money", "not played enough so means he must be bad".
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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by Taffy on the wing » Thu May 12, 2022 1:32 am

........and the winner is......Newcastle93......nobody could match his obdurance!

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Thu May 12, 2022 2:19 am

That Luis Diaz. Could only score 5 goals in that “tin pot” Colombian League when he was 20. Absolute crap that lad.

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by superdimitri » Thu May 12, 2022 4:59 am

They may be off the pace compared to the premier league but one thing is for sure, most Brazilian players are going to have a hell of a lot better technique and creativity than anyone in our team bar maybe Cornet and Weghorst.

If I remember right I think it was Naldo who said every Brazilian boy wants to be a striker, so if you end up a forward, you have to be very, very good.
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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by agreenwood » Thu May 12, 2022 6:21 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
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Got to love the supposed foreign football experts on this board.
Show me the definition of the pot calling the kettle…
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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu May 12, 2022 8:20 am

claretburns wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 11:08 pm
Hulk - 2 league games in Brazil before moving to Japanese 2nd division then to Porto.

Fabinho - played 0 games in Brazil before moving to Europe.

Coutinho - played 0 games in Brazil before signing for Inter.

Sure there are many more examples, players don't need to have played games at their current clubs for them not to be good players.

He is the kind of signing that if he signed for Watford for £3 million and was a success it would be all over this board "the type of player we need to sign", "we need to scout foreign markets for better deals" etc. But when we're linked with them "waste of money", "not played enough so means he must be bad".
Hulk moved at 18 from the Brazilian league to an even worse league in Japan.
Fabinho 16 moved to Real Madrids youth team
Coutinho 16 moved to inters youth team.

Bit different to a 20 year old that hasn’t played any first team games and moving to play in a premier league team.

name me some if you can?

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Re: Back in for Gabriel Silva ?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu May 12, 2022 8:22 am

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 2:19 am
That Luis Diaz. Could only score 5 goals in that “tin pot” Colombian League when he was 20. Absolute crap that lad.
The same Luis Diaz that had over 50 first team games by the time he was 20?

Yes really comparable to this lad.

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