• Cornet has a 17.5m release clause in the event of relegation.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 8:13 am**

According to the athletic

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 8:17 am**

Relegation really is going to hurt us

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 8:18 am**

No real surprise and will undoubtedly be one of the players sold to pay off the loan. Add McNeil for 20 and Pope for similar and it will almost all be paid off.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 8:18 am**

In that event he’d go anyway I don’t think we could meet the money without shifting him on. Some people seem to conveniently forget the instalments haven’t been fulfilled yet.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 8:20 am**

Be surprised if anybody pays that tbh.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 8:24 am**

Swizzlestick wrote: ↑
Mon May 16, 2022 8:20 am
Be surprised if anybody pays that tbh.

At that price I would be surprised if a few clubs in the bottom half wouldn’t be interested. A winger with almost a 1-3 record in the prem would certainly attract interest.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 8:28 am**

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon May 16, 2022 8:18 am
No real surprise and will undoubtedly be one of the players sold to pay off the loan. Add McNeil for 20 and Pope for similar and it will almost all be paid off.

Weghorst as well

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 8:30 am**

Anyway, his goals in the next two games will inadvertently keep us in the league.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 8:31 am**

How much did we pay for him again?

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 8:33 am**

I don’t think that’s an unfair price.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 8:37 am**

Bit underpriced but oh well.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 8:39 am**

Red Fox Rocks Socks wrote: ↑
Mon May 16, 2022 8:31 am
How much did we pay for him again?

12.5

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 8:47 am**

Probably wouldn’t have signed him without it, and we certainly would be dead and buried without his goals, is the way I look at it.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 8:48 am**

I'm really not sure that Maxwell will attract that much interest at that price. In my view I think that he is quite a way from what you expect from a footballer when you are paying that sort money. Don't get me wrong I like him on all sorts of levels but his limitations have been there for all to see since he came back from the African Cup of Nations and tbh even before that. I'm not talking about his penalty miss and open goal at Norwich as they can happen to the best. I don't feel that he has got outstanding pace, just that he is one of OUR faster players which is all relative. He doesn't inspire confidence when in one on one situations (Villa goal notwithstanding when there was no pressure) and isn't the most intelligent of footballers. The glut of often spectacular goals at the beginning of his time with us feels like a distant memory. Obviously I'm hoping he delivers big time in the next two games and this post comes back to bite me on the bum but just wondering whether there will be a queue of clubs desperate to pay £17.5m plus for him.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 8:51 am**

£17.5m is loose change in Premier League terms

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 8:52 am**

We’ll have to sell Cornet, Pope, McNeil just to meet our initial loan repayment obligations with none of that money being able to be used to reinvest in the squad - I would imagine.

Cracking stuff. Let’s hope we don’t need to discuss it after next Sunday.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 8:54 am**

Woody9229 wrote: ↑
Mon May 16, 2022 8:48 am
I'm really not sure that Maxwell will attract that much interest at that price. In my view I think that he is quite a way from what you expect from a footballer when you are paying that sort money. Don't get me wrong I like him on all sorts of levels but his limitations have been there for all to see since he came back from the African Cup of Nations and tbh even before that. I'm not talking about his penalty miss and open goal at Norwich as they can happen to the best. I don't feel that he has got outstanding pace, just that he is one of OUR faster players which is all relative. He doesn't inspire confidence when in one on one situations (Villa goal notwithstanding when there was no pressure) and isn't the most intelligent of footballers. The glut of often spectacular goals at the beginning of his time with us feels like a distant memory. Obviously I'm hoping he delivers big time in the next two games and this post comes back to bite me on the bum but just wondering whether there will be a queue of clubs desperate to pay £17.5m plus for him.

He’s crap at basically everything except the three hardest things - finding space, making runs and scoring goals. Invaluable to a club like us because whilst he can be horrific for 89 minutes, he can explode in one moment with a goal out of nothing that no other player we have could.

I reckon he’ll easily get picked up by a club like Leeds if they stayed up at our expense.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 8:56 am**

Woody9229 wrote: ↑
Mon May 16, 2022 8:48 am
I'm really not sure that Maxwell will attract that much interest at that price. In my view I think that he is quite a way from what you expect from a footballer when you are paying that sort money. Don't get me wrong I like him on all sorts of levels but his limitations have been there for all to see since he came back from the African Cup of Nations and tbh even before that. I'm not talking about his penalty miss and open goal at Norwich as they can happen to the best. I don't feel that he has got outstanding pace, just that he is one of OUR faster players which is all relative. He doesn't inspire confidence when in one on one situations (Villa goal notwithstanding when there was no pressure) and isn't the most intelligent of footballers. The glut of often spectacular goals at the beginning of his time with us feels like a distant memory. Obviously I'm hoping he delivers big time in the next two games and this post comes back to bite me on the bum but just wondering whether there will be a queue of clubs desperate to pay £17.5m plus for him.

He's the same number of goals at Lukaku, Jesus and Conor Gallagher.
He's got more than Ings, Che Adams and Havertz
One goal less than Foden, Antonio and Ward-Prowse.

Of course there will be club's who'll pay £17.5 million for a guy who can play both flanks, up front and LWB...oh and he's also got CL experience.

Amazes me how some fans talk down our players.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 8:57 am**

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Mon May 16, 2022 8:54 am
He’s crap at basically everything except the three hardest things - finding space, making runs and scoring goals. Invaluable to a club like us because whilst he can be horrific for 89 minutes, he can explode in one moment with a goal out of nothing that no other player we have could.

I reckon he’ll easily get picked up by a club like Leeds if they stayed up at our expense.

Leeds, Palace, Everton, Southampton, Brentford would all be interested IMO

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 8:59 am**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon May 16, 2022 8:57 am
Leeds, Palace, Everton, Southampton, Brentford would all be interested IMO

Fulham too

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 8:59 am**

Not really relevant.

His true price will be between 15 and 25 and no doubts he would be one of the casualties if we drop regardless. Looks a good lad but also the type to be a bit miserable down in the Championship.

May also be a good thing - avoids protracted negotiations and frees up the club’s energy for the rebuklding.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 9:00 am**

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Mon May 16, 2022 8:37 am
Bit underpriced but oh well.

That would be a valid comment on the Cornet that left for the African Cup of Nations, less so for the one that came back.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 9:00 am**

He'll definitely be picked up at that price and there'll definitely be interest from PL teams.

If I supported a PL team which had had a functioning attack all season, would I be excited by signing him? Honestly not sure.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 9:00 am**

£17.5m is a total bargain.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 9:02 am**

martin_p wrote: ↑
Mon May 16, 2022 9:00 am
That would be a valid comment on the Cornet that left for the African Cup of Nations, less so for the one that came back.

He's not the first player to comeback from an international tournament a bit out of sorts, nor will he be the last as we will see after the world cup.
Thankfully scouts at other clubs will know this and take it into consideration, along with his niggling injuries, upheaval at the club and having to adjust to a new league/country etc.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 9:05 am**

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Mon May 16, 2022 8:54 am
He’s crap at basically everything except the three hardest things - finding space, making runs and scoring goals. Invaluable to a club like us because whilst he can be horrific for 89 minutes, he can explode in one moment with a goal out of nothing that no other player we have could.

I reckon he’ll easily get picked up by a club like Leeds if they stayed up at our expense.

Think it’s pretty harsh to say he’s crap at everything else. Firstly, he’s had a very disrupted season, arriving post pre season, picking up niggly injuries and then having to go to AFCON (note Salah has been rubbish since AFCON). Many signings from foreign leagues take a season to ‘settle in’. Also add the several positional changes and system that perhaps isn’t playing to his strengths (movement into space as you say).

Really hope if we do stay up and bring in a coach like Knutsen, a 4-3-3 system like he plays would suit him far more (and also get McNeil central, but that’s a different story).

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 9:07 am**

The real money is in Collins. Think he’ll attract a £30m+ fee at some point.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 9:10 am**

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon May 16, 2022 9:05 am
Think it’s pretty harsh to say he’s crap at everything else. Firstly, he’s had a very disrupted season, arriving post pre season, picking up niggly injuries and then having to go to AFCON (note Salah has been rubbish since AFCON). Many signings from foreign leagues take a season to ‘settle in’. Also add the several positional changes and system that perhaps isn’t playing to his strengths (movement into space as you say).

All that is true, but it doesn’t translate into a player worth more than £17.5m, it translates to ‘unproven at this level’.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 9:12 am**

martin_p wrote: ↑
Mon May 16, 2022 9:10 am
All that is true, but it doesn’t translate into a player worth more than £17.5m, it translates to ‘unproven at this level’.

I don’t really think 8 goals and 1 assist in 24 appearances is unproven at this level. And if you go off minutes played it’s 1 goal every 200 minutes so almost a 1 in 2 record. Playing in a team known for a lack of creativity.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 9:12 am**

Who would you rather have playing up front Cornet, Ings or, Watkins?

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 9:13 am**

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon May 16, 2022 9:05 am
Think it’s pretty harsh to say he’s crap at everything else. Firstly, he’s had a very disrupted season, arriving post pre season, picking up niggly injuries and then having to go to AFCON (note Salah has been rubbish since AFCON). Many signings from foreign leagues take a season to ‘settle in’. Also add the several positional changes and system that perhaps isn’t playing to his strengths (movement into space as you say).

Really hope if we do stay up and bring in a coach like Knutsen, a 4-3-3 system like he plays would suit him far more (and also get McNeil central, but that’s a different story).

I’m not digging him out, it’s a compliment.

He doesn’t need to be good at the basics (ball control, ability to pass a ball 5 yards to his right, holding the ball etc) when he can offer what he does in those areas. He often makes runs nobody else seems to even spot as they are not thinking on his wavelength. He could be a player (should we stay up) that would reap the rewards of heavy investment into midfield.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 9:13 am**

martin_p wrote: ↑
Mon May 16, 2022 9:10 am
All that is true, but it doesn’t translate into a player worth more than £17.5m, it translates to ‘unproven at this level’.

I struggle to think of another player at his age with goal contribution record that would go for similar. Zaha had a worse record and Palace wanted 80m a few seasons ago.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 9:13 am**

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Mon May 16, 2022 8:56 am
He's the same number of goals at Lukaku, Jesus and Conor Gallagher.
He's got more than Ings, Che Adams and Havertz
One goal less than Foden, Antonio and Ward-Prowse.

Of course there will be club's who'll pay £17.5 million for a guy who can play both flanks, up front and LWB...oh and he's also got CL experience.

Amazes me how some fans talk down our players.

This. He’ll be snapped up in a heartbeat.

£17.5m is cheap for a proven goalscorer at this level.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 9:14 am**

£17.5 million is the minimum, several clubs may be interested so could go significantly higher.
I don't think he'd want to stick around if we're relegated.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 9:14 am**

Burnley Ace wrote: ↑
Mon May 16, 2022 9:12 am
Who would you rather have playing up front Cornet, Ings or, Watkins?

I would be interested to see what cornet could do in a team that freely scores goals and attacks.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 9:14 am**

Burnley Ace wrote: ↑
Mon May 16, 2022 9:12 am
Who would you rather have playing up front Cornet, Ings or, Watkins?

I’d have Cornet as an advanced winger / inside forward from the right or left, not upfront.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 9:15 am**

agreenwood wrote: ↑
Mon May 16, 2022 9:07 am
The real money is in Collins. Think he’ll attract a £30m+ fee at some point.

Vital he is kept if we drop for that reason, and at an age where it would benefit him to stay rather than be benched somewhere. Not a million miles from a captaincy scenario, maturing into that nicely.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 9:15 am**

gawthorpe_view wrote: ↑
Mon May 16, 2022 9:14 am
£17.5 million is the minimum, several clubs may be interested so could go significantly higher.
I don't think he'd want to stick around if we're relegated.

No, 17.5m activates the clause meaning we have to sell. So every club gets their bid accepted and he chooses who to go to (hypothetically).

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 9:16 am**

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon May 16, 2022 9:13 am
This. He’ll be snapped up in a heartbeat.

£17.5m is cheap for a proven goalscorer at this level.

He hasn't done it over enough games to be a proven goalscorer at this level yet.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 9:17 am**

17.5m is pocket money in this league. He'll be snapped up, should the worse come to the worst.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 9:17 am**

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑
Mon May 16, 2022 9:15 am
Vital he is kept if we drop for that reason, and at an age where it would benefit him to stay rather than be benched somewhere. Not a million miles from a captaincy scenario, maturing into that nicely.

I think Collins late form this season could be a bit of a bullet for us.

If relegated and we have the player fire sale as everyone expects. He could get picked up for way less than his peak value. He could be another one I could see going for around 18-20m this summer.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 9:18 am**

Just out of interest, are the mainstream media running any stories about the catastrophe that will be Everton’s finances if they are relegated?

Their reduced income won’t touch the sides of their humongous wage bill. They were already trying to reduce costs last summer.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 9:19 am**

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon May 16, 2022 9:12 am
I don’t really think 8 goals and 1 assist in 24 appearances is unproven at this level. And if you go off minutes played it’s 1 goal every 200 minutes so almost a 1 in 2 record. Playing in a team known for a lack of creativity.

Yes, but five of those goals came in a short burst of games before he went off to AFCON and that’s my point, which Maxwell Cornet is the real one?

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 9:19 am**

We have to hold on to Collins if we go down - he is a £50m player. He is one we need to retain and if we fail to bounce back immediately we would still command £30m for the season he’d undoubtedly have down there.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 9:20 am**

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Mon May 16, 2022 9:19 am
We have to hold on to Collins if we go down - he is a £50m player. He is one we need to retain and if we fail to bounce back immediately we would still command £30m for the season he’d undoubtedly have down there.

If the finances are as bad as we think or are being told, I suspect he will be gone this summer.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 9:22 am**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon May 16, 2022 9:20 am
If the finances are as bad as we think or are being told, I suspect he will be gone this summer.

Why? Cornet, Pope and McNeil should all bring in 50m between them. Weghorst possibly 10m. That’s the entire 65m ‘almost’ paid off. We still have 15/20m in cash reserves too.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 9:24 am**

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon May 16, 2022 9:22 am
Why? Cornet, Pope and McNeil should all bring in 50m between them. Weghorst possibly 10m. That’s the entire 65m ‘almost’ paid off. We still have 15/20m in cash reserves too.

That 65m won’t be paid in one chunk. Be lucky if we even get 50% of that upfront.

As we know most deals are spread over the length of the contract. We would have to sell more players so that get more upfront money.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 9:24 am**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon May 16, 2022 9:20 am
If the finances are as bad as we think or are being told, I suspect he will be gone this summer.

Collins hasn’t played the number of games required yet to command the big fee some people are taking about which is why it would make absolutely zero sense to sell him this summer. He looks a real talent but needs to play more games before being touted as such a high price.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 9:24 am**

agreenwood wrote: ↑
Mon May 16, 2022 9:18 am
Just out of interest, are the mainstream media running any stories about the catastrophe that will be Everton’s finances if they are relegated?

Their reduced income won’t touch the sides of their humongous wage bill. They were already trying to reduce costs last summer.

I agree, but the difference (compared to us anyway) is Everton have multiple saleable assets.

Richarlison they’d likely get £60-80m for, Calvert-Lewin has had a crap season but they’d still expect £30m+. Then you have Pickford, Mina, Keane, Godfrey, Alli, Gordon, Iwobi etc - some of them are terrible but they’d easily be able to be flogged. You’d expect they can offset any loans/reduction in income whilst spending the most of any relegated club on transfers with sales. I might be wrong, just how I see it.

We’ve only really got Cornet, McNeil, Pope and Collins. Weghorst we’ll struggle to shift (type of player who would get shipped to some Turkish club on loan for the remainder of his contract, I can feel it!), Taylor might get a go off someone too perhaps, Brownhill gets random links every now and then but I doubt this would be big money.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2022 9:26 am**

Why do some supporters constantly do our own players down with their valuations? Look at the market and tell me McNeil is only worth £20m when other players of similar (and worse) are going for £30/35m.

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