GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:18 pm

That's because the women feel safer around the gay men and vice versa.

Another sad indictment of our society.

& tend to share more in common/have more mutual interests?

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:16 pm

Because gay men tend to forge closer friendships with straight women than they do straight men.

Come on, everyone knows this.

Do you really not realise how homophobic you are?

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:18 pm

There was gay men in my sixth form - a good one as well (g Clitheroe) when I attended around 2010.

Still the same, boys being boys. It’s just how it is

Right. Put the rod away.

Darnhill Claret wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:18 pm

Cool Claret, If I had a stag do, I would expect my gay friends to come on the stag do. If my intended had male gay friends they would be welcome on my do, or if they preferred to go on the hen do, that would be ok too. It might just be decided how effeminate/artistic they might be but my gay friends wouldn’t feel that their sexuality would deny them an invitation. Any straight friend who didn’t want my gay friends there wouldn’t be invited. Hope that helps. Your reality and my reality seem very different.

Ok well good for you, you’re all obviously brilliant and have no obvious differences that differentiates you in any way.

Move on over to the absolute vast majority of people and you’ll find that on the whole gay men and straight men tend to not forge close friendships to the same level as straight women and gay men do.

There’s nothing wrong with that either, it’s just reality.

No more to say, enjoy.

All the best to Jake Daniels

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:19 pm

& tend to share more in common/have more mutual interests?

Not always no, because they're entirely different people.
Gay men still like the same things as straight men, work in the same industries, share the same hobbies etc.

Yes there will be a number who're more effeminate, but that's also a stereotype courtesy of TV/film and people take it as given.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:19 pm

Do you really not realise how homophobic you are?

? Its an absolute fact

I think Coolclaret is probably a decent bloke but jeez his views are so far off the mark it’s scary that there are still people around who think like him.

Absolutely not personal but it just goes to show how much education is required when somebody with good intentions still gets it so badly wrong

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:24 pm

? Its an absolute fact

Everything you’ve said is assertion and stereotyping not fact.

Cool Claret, I think you might be surprised how many gay footballers there are, which kind of goes against your straight/gay, ‘not much in common’ argument.

Hey I’m all for being educated.

If someone wants to show me some statistics then I’ll happily change my view

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:18 pm

There was gay men in my sixth form - a good one as well (g Clitheroe) when I attended around 2010.

Surely you mean 1910.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:27 pm

Hey I’m all for being educated.

If someone wants to show me some statistics then I’ll happily change my view

Why, is your current view based off any particular statistics?

Darnhill Claret wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:27 pm

Cool Claret, I think you might be surprised how many gay footballers there are, which kind of goes against your straight/gay, ‘not much in common’ argument.

Who knows, apparently 7% of men in the UK are gay.

Around 5000 pro footy players, so if % is the same we’re looking at 350, but I don’t think that 7% of pro footy players will be gay.

There’s obviously more than 1 that’s for sure

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:01 pm

You go out during the day to a city, you see a group of guys on the beer I guarantee the absolute vast majority are straight lads all together and then you’ll see some groups of girls with gay male friends as part of their group.

Suggesting that you can ascertain somebody’s sexuality by their appearance isn’t a good look.

Uncool Claret.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:30 pm

Who knows, apparently 7% of men in the UK are gay.

Around 5000 pro footy players, so if % is the same we’re looking at 350, but I don’t think that 7% of pro footy players will be gay.

There’s obviously more than 1 that’s for sure

Why do you think there will be less than the average number playing professional football?

I think unfortunately on these subjects which do become ‘politically correct’ there should be more humour added to diffuse these sort of potentially escalating arguments. I would like Leanne Sanderson and a straight female footballer to make it easier for straight female players to ‘come out’ as straight.

Penwortham_Claret wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:32 pm

Why do you think there will be less than the average number playing professional football?

He presumably thinks they all play rugby union.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:31 pm

Suggesting that you can ascertain somebody’s sexuality by their appearance isn’t a good look.

If I see one guy acting a bit more flamboyant that’s with a group of girls I’m going to probably presume he’s gay. As you would, as pretty much anyone would - and guess what. He probably would be

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:35 pm

If I see one guy acting a bit more flamboyant that’s with a group of girls I’m going to probably presume he’s gay. As you would, as pretty much anyone would - and guess what. He probably would be

Jesus Christ.

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:36 pm

Jesus Christ.

Jesus was gay?

Well... He did say "get thee behind thee Satan"

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:35 pm

If I see one guy acting a bit more flamboyant that’s with a group of girls I’m going to probably presume he’s gay. As you would, as pretty much anyone would - and guess what. He probably would be

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:36 pm

Jesus Christ.

Don’t think he was gay.

He's on the wind up lads

No one is that out of touch

Not even Jakub

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:35 pm

If I see one guy acting a bit more flamboyant that’s with a group of girls I’m going to probably presume he’s gay. As you would, as pretty much anyone would - and guess what. He probably would be

I can't work out whether you're willfully ignorant, trolling or just a prick.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:27 pm

Hey I’m all for being educated.

If someone wants to show me some statistics then I’ll happily change my view

I can't give you statistics but my anecdotal experience is telling me that you're way off the mark here. Moreover, show me the statistics that evidence your view.

I know plenty of gay men and the vast majority are no different in any way/how they act/ the way they behave than the straight men I know. You're making the assumption (incorrectly) that all/most gay men are feminine and enjoy spending their time with women more than men. That is the small (but often more 'out there') minority. Give some thought to the fact that for each gay man you see who is spending time with women, there are numerous more out there having a good crack with their group of mates. The only reason you don't know they're gay is because they're doing all the things you would stereotypically associate with straight men. You can't stereotype those men as easily as you are doing those who are with the women.

Penwortham_Claret wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:32 pm

Why do you think there will be less than the average number playing professional football?

I think for the most part gay men tend to have different interests than straight men and partake in different subjects/activities.

Just look at course selection by demographics in colleges.

Engineering is always clapped out full of guys with the odd female, I’m talking maybe one or two in the entire year.

Makeup hair/beauty / travel and tourism tend to be female with the odd gay male.

Obviously there are overlaps but I’m talking about for the most part! Of course there are gay men that love football and other sports - good for them!

This is absolutely fine and there’s nothing wrong with it, it’s just how people are.

My point in essence is that people are different and that’s a good thing. Great

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:35 pm

If I see one guy acting a bit more flamboyant that’s with a group of girls I’m going to probably presume he’s gay. As you would, as pretty much anyone would - and guess what. He probably would be

You are blatantly homophobic and quite frankly your views are a disgrace. Please stop posting your homophobic comments on this thread or I’ll stop you.

To be fair you have to feel sorry for coolclaret. Living in modern Britain must be a woke nightmare for him (or her). I'm sure there's probably a support group somewhere to help out

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:39 pm

Don’t think he was gay.

Nailed on mate

Nice tweet from Ben

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:41 pm

You are blatantly homophobic and quite frankly your views are a disgrace. Please stop posting your homophobic comments on this thread or I’ll stop you.

Please do

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:35 pm

If I see one guy acting a bit more flamboyant that’s with a group of girls I’m going to probably presume he’s gay. As you would, as pretty much anyone would - and guess what. He probably would be

This is your problem CoolClaret. You're stereotyping that flamboyant (your word, not mine) individual as gay because of their behaviour. You can't stereotype the gay men who are out with their male friends can you? It might come as a shock but they are out there and in quite significant numbers.

What CoolClaret expected Jake Daniels to look like upon hearing today’s news…

Mrpotatohead wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:41 pm

I can't give you statistics but my anecdotal experience is telling me that you're way off the mark here. Moreover, show me the statistics that evidence your vi
I know plenty of gay men and the vast majority are no different in any way/how they act/ the way they behave than the straight men I know. You're making the assumption (incorrectly) that all/most gay men are feminine and enjoy spending their time with women more than men. That is the small (but often more 'out there') minority. Give some thought to the fact that for each gay man you see who is spending time with women, there are numerous more out there having a good crack with their group of mates. The only reason you don't know they're gay is because they're doing all the things you would stereotypically associate with straight men. You can't stereotype those men as easily as you are doing those who are with the women.

I’ll hand on heart say that I know next to no males that are gay that aren’t at least a little bit ‘more eccentric’.

I know btw that not very gay man is ‘camp’ or whatever, I just don’t know of hardly any.

I’m not being obtuse or anything I’m here to learn

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:35 pm

If I see one guy acting a bit more flamboyant that’s with a group of girls I’m going to probably presume he’s gay. As you would, as pretty much anyone would - and guess what. He probably would be

When I lived in Dallas I lived next to a gay couple. One you immediately knew he was gay, his partner not even remotely. I've found that often to be the case. Without wanting to start an argument and ruin another important thread I would suggest our "stereotypical" view is somewhat outdated

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:41 pm

You are blatantly homophobic and quite frankly your views are a disgrace. Please stop posting your homophobic comments on this thread or I’ll stop you.

Tony I’m not trying to be homophobic or anything.

My initial points were what the atmosphere would tend to be like in a young male locker room.

I apologise if I’ve caused any offence

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:46 pm

I’m not being obtuse or anything I’m here to learn

I don't think we've got enough hours in the day....

CT - let it be. This conversation is healthy. We have grown up in a world that is changing. Conversation helps inform.

Penwortham_Claret wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 6:34 pm

That’s exactly the point, you’d be happy to reveal which town you live in for example and I would guess most would be willing to announced that they are straight. Why is it different?

Because everyone’s sexuality is their own business, no one else’s. This modern liberal openness where everything has to be proclaimed is very alien to Burnley. We may be liberally minded but we still don’t air our washing in the street.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:46 pm

I’m not being obtuse or anything I’m here to learn

And you have a long way to go by the looks of things.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:50 pm

Tony I’m not trying to be homophobic or anything.

My initial points were what the atmosphere would tend to be like in a young male locker room.

I apologise if I’ve caused any offence

You are not trying to be homophobic, you are homophobic.

Please stop posting on this thread.

Can coolclaret start a thread for everyone who shares his painfully ignorant views …. Then can we just ban them all from this message board… and the turf.

I know there are clarets who share these views. I just wish there wasn’t. It taints the club I love.

So at approx 28 years of age, you are still quite happily uneducated in life. Not sure it’s something to be so at ease with. I’m wondering if you do actively socialise. If you do how would you cope with one of your friends ‘coming out’?

If people want tolerance it should include accepting different views and discussing it without abuse. I couldn’t see the need why someone would need to ‘come out’ as it shouldn’t affect the way they are perceived or what they do. I don’t think someone’s sexuality defines them. I thought Spiral’s post in response was very interesting and a good post.

I had thought that we would end up with an 'out' gay player kind of by default, someone who was out as a teenager that then signed as a pro and his being 'out' already on social media would get picked up.
For those that don't understand why a gay player needs to come out it's because they have have to keep their private life completely secret if they aren't out. Especially if they are high profile. How can they trust that a partner won't go to the press if they break up and out them? How do they meet someone without the press get a sniff of a story. What Jake has done is ground breaking, but it is also hugely liberating for him as he can live his life without constantly wondering if today will be the day that someone sell a story about him. If he has a boyfriend he can take him to the club's end of season do. He can go on holiday with him without having to pretend they are mates. He can go to gay club or bar or on to grindr if he is single and looking for a fella without the fear of being seen. He can basically get on with his private life like any other 17 pro rather than having to live a secret double life. Good on him.

A cousin of mine came out in 2016. You couldn't meet a less camp or 'flamboyant' bloke if you tried. He served in the army for 10 years, 5 of those as a sergeant. He's certainly not an odd one out. Gay people come in all shape and sizes etc, just like everyone else. I can't believe this has to be said in this day and age.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 16, 2022 8:22 pm

Ok well good for you, you’re all obviously brilliant and have no obvious differences that differentiates you in any way.

Move on over to the absolute vast majority of people and you’ll find that on the whole gay men and straight men tend to not forge close friendships to the same level as straight women and gay men do.

There’s nothing wrong with that either, it’s just reality.

No more to say, enjoy.

All the best to Jake Daniels

Give over.

Some absolutely remarkable and ignorant posts on this thread and some to a degree homophobic.

If ever a thread should be of a positive nature (largely at least) this one is it.

I have known a lot of gay men in my life. I have worked with some. I have been to Burnley games with some. I have played sport with some and I have and still employ some

Some have been fantastic human beings. Some have not. There are clearly extremist views on this thread. None of which serve any purpose. I’ll leave it at that