Villa game is a free hit.

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Villa game is a free hit.

Post by gandhisflipflop » Mon May 16, 2022 5:38 pm

I’ve been thinking about this today, and yes that Leeds goal really felt like a kick in the teeth but going in to the villa game. The absolute worst case scenario is a loss, meaning the equation still doesn’t change on Sunday. A point may still be enough should Leeds lose. The only thing is that we would be relying on other results to go our way. We would love it to be in our hands come Sunday though!

If we somehow win, then the pressure would really be on both Leeds and Everton!


It’s going to be a long week!

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by Rowls » Mon May 16, 2022 5:42 pm

No it isn't!

They're a poxy outfit and we owe it to put in a shift to reverse the crummy result against them a week ago.
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by RVclaret » Mon May 16, 2022 5:42 pm

It’s literally anything other than a free hit
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by Devils_Advocate » Mon May 16, 2022 5:43 pm

Its not a free hit as we have every chance of grabbing a point which means we only need to match Leeds rather than better them.

Spurs was more the free hit and look how close we were to getting something there so we should be fully focused and ready on Thursday to defend for our lives and maybe even nick a goal

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by jdrobbo » Mon May 16, 2022 5:44 pm

Last year, whilst terribly out of form, we rolled out of Villa Park with a very flat 0-0 draw. Yes please!!
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by gandhisflipflop » Mon May 16, 2022 5:49 pm

Just for clarity. When I say free hit, it means we have 2 bites at the cherry. Whatever happens, we can look forward to Sunday knowing we are still in with a good chance of survival

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by claretandy » Mon May 16, 2022 5:50 pm

We have the incentive that if we beat Villa, we only need a point to guarantee stopping up.
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by gandhisflipflop » Mon May 16, 2022 5:53 pm

claretandy wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 5:50 pm
We have the incentive that if we beat Villa, we only need a point to guarantee stopping up.
If you’re Jackson, do you play to win, or set up not to lose?

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by NRC » Mon May 16, 2022 6:05 pm

somehow, and I have no basis for this, I feel Villa is a more achievable 3 points than Newcastle. I would go all out for the win

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by Indecisive » Mon May 16, 2022 6:10 pm

Defo not a free hit. If we lose survival is out of our hands!!

A win and worst case a draw against Newcastle will keep us up.

I’m sure the players will give absolutely everything Thursday… I just hope we get that rub of the green which really has been missing so far this season.
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by AlargeClaret » Mon May 16, 2022 6:12 pm

The most misguided post I’ve ever seen on here , “ a free hit”😂😡 if only it were.

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by joey13 » Mon May 16, 2022 6:13 pm

How’s it a free hit if we lose and Leeds beat Brentford then it’s irrelevant what happens against Newcastle

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by Milltown1882 » Mon May 16, 2022 6:14 pm

We need those 4 points. I’ve got no doubt in my mind Leeds will get a late equaliser on Sunday. Three points on Thursday will make the situation significantly more bearable.

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by Dark Cloud » Mon May 16, 2022 6:14 pm

Absolutely not a free hit and the late Leeds goal put paid to any lingering doubts about it. If we get anything at Villa we're back to only having to match Leeds result on the final day. If we lose at Villa we have to better Leeds' result.

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by boatshed bill » Mon May 16, 2022 6:17 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 5:53 pm
If you’re Jackson, do you play to win, or set up not to lose?
something like he did for the Spurs game.
I think we were too adventurous early vs Villa at home and it cost us.

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by tiger76 » Mon May 16, 2022 6:17 pm

Certainly not a free hit, especially with that late Leeds equaliser, and it's vital we get at least a point, otherwise we could beat Newcastle last day and still go down dependent on Leeds result.

We boost a victory and 2 draws from our last 3 trips to Birmingham, so it's certainly not a fixture we should fear.

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon May 16, 2022 6:19 pm

It’s a very important game make no bones but I don’t believe in the mindset that any game isn’t a must win, if I was still attending & the attitude was cba I wouldn’t turn up myself, the overall objective from the outset needs to be 3pts every single league game & it’s an enormous opportunity to take the pressure off depending what Leeds & Everton do.

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by RVclaret » Mon May 16, 2022 6:19 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 5:53 pm
If you’re Jackson, do you play to win, or set up not to lose?
Same as at Spurs. Soak up some pressure and offer a try to offer a threat going forward. With Cornet there's always the threat his movement in behind gives us. Villa will give us chances, that's for sure.

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by DukeOfBar » Mon May 16, 2022 6:22 pm

we need to go all out to try and win. Every chance Weeds could beat Brentford, so we have to go for it 100%

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by jedi_master » Mon May 16, 2022 6:23 pm

Absolutely not a free hit, we need minimum a point.

We want it to be in our hands on the last day.

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Mon May 16, 2022 6:24 pm

Think about it. A win and a draw is very doable and will guarantee us survival. A loss on Thursday makes Sunday a very high pressure game and even then makes us rely on a Leeds or Everton result. A result at villa puts us right in the driving seat again.

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by Neil » Mon May 16, 2022 6:25 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 5:53 pm
If you’re Jackson, do you play to win, or set up not to lose?
I've thought about this a lot since yesterday and I think we set up the same as the Spurs game. If it can work against Spurs who are one of the best counter attacking teams in the league, it can work against Villa. We need to nullify the defence splitting balls through the middle for Watkins and Ings to run onto and three centre backs will help a lot. It's more important to sacrifice what we have going forward to protect the back and we'll still make chances. Can always change it if we fall behind and times running out.

Oh, and obviously it's not a free hit haha.
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by Billy Balfour » Mon May 16, 2022 6:31 pm

I wish it was a free hit.

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by Boss Hogg » Mon May 16, 2022 6:36 pm

Anything less than a point and it will be looking very bleak. Im not confident we’ll beat Newcastle though. Maybe a loss and a draw in the next 2 matches.

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by ClaretLoup » Mon May 16, 2022 6:39 pm

Don’t play a high line against Ings.
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by FCBurnley » Mon May 16, 2022 6:45 pm

A loss means it is in Leeds hands
A draw means we only need to match Leeds Result
A win means we only need point on Sunday

Sounds like a massive game to me.
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by tiger76 » Mon May 16, 2022 6:48 pm

FCBurnley wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 6:45 pm
A loss means it is in Leeds hands
A draw means we only need to match Leeds Result
A win means we only need point on Sunday

Sounds like a massive game to me.
Indeed and if you're really optimistic, a win and an Everton defeat will put us ahead of them also prior to their trip to Arsenal.

Despite the narrow defeat at Spurs we showed enough to suggest we can get points in both our last 2 games.

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by Tribesmen » Mon May 16, 2022 6:55 pm

Need at very least a point

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by FCBurnley » Mon May 16, 2022 6:58 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 6:48 pm
Indeed and if you're really optimistic, a win and an Everton defeat will put us ahead of them also prior to their trip to Arsenal.

Despite the narrow defeat at Spurs we showed enough to suggest we can get points in both our last 2 games.
I am treating Everton as a bonus. I expect them to beat Palace on Thursday but should they lose them they are right in the race with a tricky trip to Arsenal on Sunday. For the first time in my life I will be a Gooner this afternoon. Hoping they will get the win that makes the Everton game huge for them

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by tiger76 » Mon May 16, 2022 7:05 pm

FCBurnley wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 6:58 pm
I am treating Everton as a bonus. I expect them to beat Palace on Thursday but should they lose them they are right in the race with a tricky trip to Arsenal on Sunday. For the first time in my life I will be a Gooner this afternoon. Hoping they will get the win that makes the Everton game huge for them
I tend to agree with you about Everton, mind you they have only taken 1 point against Watford and Brentford, so not guaranteed they'll beat Palace even at Goodison.

The most important thing is right now our fate is in our hands, get the point or points required and we'll be safe whatever Everton or Leeds do, hence why the worst we need at Villa is a point, at least then we'd know a win over Newcastle sees us safe, although I've no doubt there will be plenty of fans nervously checking their phones every couple of minutes come Sunday at all the grounds.

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by LoveCurryPies » Mon May 16, 2022 7:07 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 5:53 pm
If you’re Jackson, do you play to win, or set up not to lose?
We play to win both games. Leeds may win their final match. Playing to draw is a guaranteed way to lose.

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by Guller Bull » Mon May 16, 2022 7:10 pm

6 points will have us finish above Everton, Leeds and Saints - ave it!

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by Vegas Claret » Mon May 16, 2022 7:11 pm

I know 3 Villa season ticket holders who thought it highly amusing that they spanked us and we are going down. I would LOVE it if we beat them.

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Mon May 16, 2022 7:14 pm

It isn’t we need a point at least

Just need to get two banks of five out of possession and play for the draw they are a much better side than us £30-40 m pounds worth of talent in most positions.

In possession play 5-3-2 counter attacking, which in effect is 3-5-2, should have got something from spurs, no stupid mistakes this time.

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by tiger76 » Mon May 16, 2022 7:45 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 7:14 pm
It isn’t we need a point at least

Just need to get two banks of five out of possession and play for the draw they are a much better side than us £30-40 m pounds worth of talent in most positions.

In possession play 5-3-2 counter attacking, which in effect is 3-5-2, should have got something from spurs, no stupid mistakes this time.
Sounds fair enough to me, and also if we get big chances as Cornet did at Spurs we simply have to stick them away, that's been a killer for us all season, not converting these prime chances.

What worries me with Villa is the have threats all over the pitch, and we'll also need Nick and the defence to be on top form again, they played well on Sunday to restrict Kane & Son to very little, and a similar disciplined display will be required if we're to get anything at Villa.

I have a feeling Villa will score, so we'll likely have to bag to get a result.

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by ElectroClaret » Mon May 16, 2022 7:49 pm

Both Carragher and Neville tipping DL for the drop on Sky, for what its worth.....

....I'm going wi' them. ;)
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Mon May 16, 2022 7:56 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 7:45 pm
Sounds fair enough to me, and also if we get big chances as Cornet did at Spurs we simply have to stick them away, that's been a killer for us all season, not converting these prime chances.

What worries me with Villa is the have threats all over the pitch, and we'll also need Nick and the defence to be on top form again, they played well on Sunday to restrict Kane & Son to very little, and a similar disciplined display will be required if we're to get anything at Villa.

I have a feeling Villa will score, so we'll likely have to bag to get a result.
Or leave Cornet on the halfway line as the long out ball from the defensive formation, shame Vydra is injured would have added something.

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by JohnMac » Mon May 16, 2022 8:02 pm

A loss on Thursday will give Leeds all the more motivation to go at Brentford.

We need a result of some sort!

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by ElectroClaret » Mon May 16, 2022 8:09 pm

If Brentford play anything like they did at Goodison yesterday, by all accounts, Leeds haven't a prayer down there. Great display.

Course, it doesn't always work out like you think (hope).
So we need some points

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by alboclaret » Tue May 17, 2022 8:05 am

Free hit is certainly not how I'd describe a crucial game at the end of a relegation battle when your a point from safety and may need 4.

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by IanMcL » Tue May 17, 2022 8:09 am

6 points will do it!

Come on Burnley Come on Burnley Come on Burnley
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by SydneyClaret » Tue May 17, 2022 8:27 am

Not a free hit but I understand what the OP is saying. We really need to go for the win.

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by Sozturf7 » Tue May 17, 2022 8:55 am

Think the pubs could be rather busy on Thursday.

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue May 17, 2022 8:58 am

I hate the term 'free hit'.

It's a competitive football match with high prize money at stake.

Kevin Longs destiny to score from a corner. Utc.

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Tue May 17, 2022 9:00 am

I think we need a win.

It changes the mentality totally. Leeds then have to come out and score instead of sitting back for a point and hoping Newcastle thump us. Win, we stay up. I don’t see Leeds getting the win in return.

There are too many ex Clarets, too many “stories” waiting to be written, too many last minute goals for our rivals and lucky lack of suspensions. It “feels” like we are destined for the drop. Lose on Thursday hope may disappear.

That’s why we have to win. History or fate doesn’t define our players, this is their moment, they have a chance to seize it and make some history of their own.
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by jojomk1 » Tue May 17, 2022 9:06 am

We have two very tough games

Even more so with our injury problems

Calling the Villa game a "free hit" is a joke

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by The Enclosure » Tue May 17, 2022 9:06 am

Definitely not a free hit, we need a minimum of one point but ideally 3.
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by Neil » Tue May 17, 2022 9:09 am

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 9:00 am
I think we need a win.

It changes the mentality totally. Leeds then have to come out and score instead of sitting back for a point and hoping Newcastle thump us. Win, we stay up. I don’t see Leeds getting the win in return.

There are too many ex Clarets, too many “stories” waiting to be written, too many last minute goals for our rivals and lucky lack of suspensions. It “feels” like we are destined for the drop. Lose on Thursday hope may disappear.

That’s why we have to win. History or fate doesn’t define our players, this is their moment, they have a chance to seize it and make some history of their own.
Good post.

We also need someone to step up to the plate.
Get a "non standard" goal. A moment of quality like the Everton left back at Leicester. These are the goals that can get you unexpected points.

Time to step up Dwight.

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by Ric_C » Tue May 17, 2022 9:29 am

joey13 wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 6:13 pm
How’s it a free hit if we lose and Leeds beat Brentford then it’s irrelevant what happens against Newcastle
Not really, as Everton would need to draw with Arsenal if they don't beat Palace on Thursday.

We would stay up on goal difference if we beat Newcastle.

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Re: Villa game is a free hit.

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue May 17, 2022 9:33 am

claretandy wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 5:50 pm
We have the incentive that if we beat Villa, we only need a point to guarantee stopping up.
And the damage that will do to Leeds mentality cannot be overstated

Knowing that whatever they do might not be enough is going to serious affect them

(ditto for us if we lose!)

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