Villa game is a free hit.
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Villa game is a free hit.
I’ve been thinking about this today, and yes that Leeds goal really felt like a kick in the teeth but going in to the villa game. The absolute worst case scenario is a loss, meaning the equation still doesn’t change on Sunday. A point may still be enough should Leeds lose. The only thing is that we would be relying on other results to go our way. We would love it to be in our hands come Sunday though!
If we somehow win, then the pressure would really be on both Leeds and Everton!
It’s going to be a long week!
If we somehow win, then the pressure would really be on both Leeds and Everton!
It’s going to be a long week!
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.
No it isn't!
They're a poxy outfit and we owe it to put in a shift to reverse the crummy result against them a week ago.
They're a poxy outfit and we owe it to put in a shift to reverse the crummy result against them a week ago.
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.
It’s literally anything other than a free hit
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.
Its not a free hit as we have every chance of grabbing a point which means we only need to match Leeds rather than better them.
Spurs was more the free hit and look how close we were to getting something there so we should be fully focused and ready on Thursday to defend for our lives and maybe even nick a goal
Spurs was more the free hit and look how close we were to getting something there so we should be fully focused and ready on Thursday to defend for our lives and maybe even nick a goal
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.
Last year, whilst terribly out of form, we rolled out of Villa Park with a very flat 0-0 draw. Yes please!!
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.
Just for clarity. When I say free hit, it means we have 2 bites at the cherry. Whatever happens, we can look forward to Sunday knowing we are still in with a good chance of survival
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.
We have the incentive that if we beat Villa, we only need a point to guarantee stopping up.
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.
If you’re Jackson, do you play to win, or set up not to lose?claretandy wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 5:50 pmWe have the incentive that if we beat Villa, we only need a point to guarantee stopping up.
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.
somehow, and I have no basis for this, I feel Villa is a more achievable 3 points than Newcastle. I would go all out for the win
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.
Defo not a free hit. If we lose survival is out of our hands!!
A win and worst case a draw against Newcastle will keep us up.
I’m sure the players will give absolutely everything Thursday… I just hope we get that rub of the green which really has been missing so far this season.
A win and worst case a draw against Newcastle will keep us up.
I’m sure the players will give absolutely everything Thursday… I just hope we get that rub of the green which really has been missing so far this season.
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.
The most misguided post I’ve ever seen on here , “ a free hit” if only it were.
Re: Villa game is a free hit.
How’s it a free hit if we lose and Leeds beat Brentford then it’s irrelevant what happens against Newcastle
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.
We need those 4 points. I’ve got no doubt in my mind Leeds will get a late equaliser on Sunday. Three points on Thursday will make the situation significantly more bearable.
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.
Absolutely not a free hit and the late Leeds goal put paid to any lingering doubts about it. If we get anything at Villa we're back to only having to match Leeds result on the final day. If we lose at Villa we have to better Leeds' result.
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something like he did for the Spurs game.gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 5:53 pmIf you’re Jackson, do you play to win, or set up not to lose?
I think we were too adventurous early vs Villa at home and it cost us.
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.
Certainly not a free hit, especially with that late Leeds equaliser, and it's vital we get at least a point, otherwise we could beat Newcastle last day and still go down dependent on Leeds result.
We boost a victory and 2 draws from our last 3 trips to Birmingham, so it's certainly not a fixture we should fear.
We boost a victory and 2 draws from our last 3 trips to Birmingham, so it's certainly not a fixture we should fear.
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It’s a very important game make no bones but I don’t believe in the mindset that any game isn’t a must win, if I was still attending & the attitude was cba I wouldn’t turn up myself, the overall objective from the outset needs to be 3pts every single league game & it’s an enormous opportunity to take the pressure off depending what Leeds & Everton do.
Re: Villa game is a free hit.
Same as at Spurs. Soak up some pressure and offer a try to offer a threat going forward. With Cornet there's always the threat his movement in behind gives us. Villa will give us chances, that's for sure.gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 5:53 pmIf you’re Jackson, do you play to win, or set up not to lose?
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we need to go all out to try and win. Every chance Weeds could beat Brentford, so we have to go for it 100%
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.
Absolutely not a free hit, we need minimum a point.
We want it to be in our hands on the last day.
We want it to be in our hands on the last day.
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.
Think about it. A win and a draw is very doable and will guarantee us survival. A loss on Thursday makes Sunday a very high pressure game and even then makes us rely on a Leeds or Everton result. A result at villa puts us right in the driving seat again.
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I've thought about this a lot since yesterday and I think we set up the same as the Spurs game. If it can work against Spurs who are one of the best counter attacking teams in the league, it can work against Villa. We need to nullify the defence splitting balls through the middle for Watkins and Ings to run onto and three centre backs will help a lot. It's more important to sacrifice what we have going forward to protect the back and we'll still make chances. Can always change it if we fall behind and times running out.gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 5:53 pmIf you’re Jackson, do you play to win, or set up not to lose?
Oh, and obviously it's not a free hit haha.
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.
I wish it was a free hit.
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Anything less than a point and it will be looking very bleak. Im not confident we’ll beat Newcastle though. Maybe a loss and a draw in the next 2 matches.
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.
Don’t play a high line against Ings.
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A loss means it is in Leeds hands
A draw means we only need to match Leeds Result
A win means we only need point on Sunday
Sounds like a massive game to me.
A draw means we only need to match Leeds Result
A win means we only need point on Sunday
Sounds like a massive game to me.
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.
Indeed and if you're really optimistic, a win and an Everton defeat will put us ahead of them also prior to their trip to Arsenal.
Despite the narrow defeat at Spurs we showed enough to suggest we can get points in both our last 2 games.
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.
Need at very least a point
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I am treating Everton as a bonus. I expect them to beat Palace on Thursday but should they lose them they are right in the race with a tricky trip to Arsenal on Sunday. For the first time in my life I will be a Gooner this afternoon. Hoping they will get the win that makes the Everton game huge for them
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I tend to agree with you about Everton, mind you they have only taken 1 point against Watford and Brentford, so not guaranteed they'll beat Palace even at Goodison.FCBurnley wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 6:58 pmI am treating Everton as a bonus. I expect them to beat Palace on Thursday but should they lose them they are right in the race with a tricky trip to Arsenal on Sunday. For the first time in my life I will be a Gooner this afternoon. Hoping they will get the win that makes the Everton game huge for them
The most important thing is right now our fate is in our hands, get the point or points required and we'll be safe whatever Everton or Leeds do, hence why the worst we need at Villa is a point, at least then we'd know a win over Newcastle sees us safe, although I've no doubt there will be plenty of fans nervously checking their phones every couple of minutes come Sunday at all the grounds.
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We play to win both games. Leeds may win their final match. Playing to draw is a guaranteed way to lose.gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 5:53 pmIf you’re Jackson, do you play to win, or set up not to lose?
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6 points will have us finish above Everton, Leeds and Saints - ave it!
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I know 3 Villa season ticket holders who thought it highly amusing that they spanked us and we are going down. I would LOVE it if we beat them.
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.
It isn’t we need a point at least
Just need to get two banks of five out of possession and play for the draw they are a much better side than us £30-40 m pounds worth of talent in most positions.
In possession play 5-3-2 counter attacking, which in effect is 3-5-2, should have got something from spurs, no stupid mistakes this time.
Just need to get two banks of five out of possession and play for the draw they are a much better side than us £30-40 m pounds worth of talent in most positions.
In possession play 5-3-2 counter attacking, which in effect is 3-5-2, should have got something from spurs, no stupid mistakes this time.
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.
Sounds fair enough to me, and also if we get big chances as Cornet did at Spurs we simply have to stick them away, that's been a killer for us all season, not converting these prime chances.Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 7:14 pmIt isn’t we need a point at least
Just need to get two banks of five out of possession and play for the draw they are a much better side than us £30-40 m pounds worth of talent in most positions.
In possession play 5-3-2 counter attacking, which in effect is 3-5-2, should have got something from spurs, no stupid mistakes this time.
What worries me with Villa is the have threats all over the pitch, and we'll also need Nick and the defence to be on top form again, they played well on Sunday to restrict Kane & Son to very little, and a similar disciplined display will be required if we're to get anything at Villa.
I have a feeling Villa will score, so we'll likely have to bag to get a result.
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Both Carragher and Neville tipping DL for the drop on Sky, for what its worth.....
....I'm going wi' them.
....I'm going wi' them.
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Or leave Cornet on the halfway line as the long out ball from the defensive formation, shame Vydra is injured would have added something.tiger76 wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 7:45 pmSounds fair enough to me, and also if we get big chances as Cornet did at Spurs we simply have to stick them away, that's been a killer for us all season, not converting these prime chances.
What worries me with Villa is the have threats all over the pitch, and we'll also need Nick and the defence to be on top form again, they played well on Sunday to restrict Kane & Son to very little, and a similar disciplined display will be required if we're to get anything at Villa.
I have a feeling Villa will score, so we'll likely have to bag to get a result.
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.
A loss on Thursday will give Leeds all the more motivation to go at Brentford.
We need a result of some sort!
We need a result of some sort!
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If Brentford play anything like they did at Goodison yesterday, by all accounts, Leeds haven't a prayer down there. Great display.
Course, it doesn't always work out like you think (hope).
So we need some points
Course, it doesn't always work out like you think (hope).
So we need some points
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.
Free hit is certainly not how I'd describe a crucial game at the end of a relegation battle when your a point from safety and may need 4.
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6 points will do it!
Come on Burnley Come on Burnley Come on Burnley
Come on Burnley Come on Burnley Come on Burnley
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.
Not a free hit but I understand what the OP is saying. We really need to go for the win.
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Think the pubs could be rather busy on Thursday.
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.
I hate the term 'free hit'.
It's a competitive football match with high prize money at stake.
Kevin Longs destiny to score from a corner. Utc.
It's a competitive football match with high prize money at stake.
Kevin Longs destiny to score from a corner. Utc.
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I think we need a win.
It changes the mentality totally. Leeds then have to come out and score instead of sitting back for a point and hoping Newcastle thump us. Win, we stay up. I don’t see Leeds getting the win in return.
There are too many ex Clarets, too many “stories” waiting to be written, too many last minute goals for our rivals and lucky lack of suspensions. It “feels” like we are destined for the drop. Lose on Thursday hope may disappear.
That’s why we have to win. History or fate doesn’t define our players, this is their moment, they have a chance to seize it and make some history of their own.
It changes the mentality totally. Leeds then have to come out and score instead of sitting back for a point and hoping Newcastle thump us. Win, we stay up. I don’t see Leeds getting the win in return.
There are too many ex Clarets, too many “stories” waiting to be written, too many last minute goals for our rivals and lucky lack of suspensions. It “feels” like we are destined for the drop. Lose on Thursday hope may disappear.
That’s why we have to win. History or fate doesn’t define our players, this is their moment, they have a chance to seize it and make some history of their own.
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We have two very tough games
Even more so with our injury problems
Calling the Villa game a "free hit" is a joke
Even more so with our injury problems
Calling the Villa game a "free hit" is a joke
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Re: Villa game is a free hit.
Definitely not a free hit, we need a minimum of one point but ideally 3.
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Good post.CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Tue May 17, 2022 9:00 amI think we need a win.
It changes the mentality totally. Leeds then have to come out and score instead of sitting back for a point and hoping Newcastle thump us. Win, we stay up. I don’t see Leeds getting the win in return.
There are too many ex Clarets, too many “stories” waiting to be written, too many last minute goals for our rivals and lucky lack of suspensions. It “feels” like we are destined for the drop. Lose on Thursday hope may disappear.
That’s why we have to win. History or fate doesn’t define our players, this is their moment, they have a chance to seize it and make some history of their own.
We also need someone to step up to the plate.
Get a "non standard" goal. A moment of quality like the Everton left back at Leicester. These are the goals that can get you unexpected points.
Time to step up Dwight.
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And the damage that will do to Leeds mentality cannot be overstatedclaretandy wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 5:50 pmWe have the incentive that if we beat Villa, we only need a point to guarantee stopping up.
Knowing that whatever they do might not be enough is going to serious affect them
(ditto for us if we lose!)