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England Test squad v NZ

Post by Milltown1882 » Wed May 18, 2022 9:27 am

Good to see a couple of new faces. No idea how Matt Parkinson still doesn’t get a chance.

Ben Stokes (c)
James Anderson
Jonny Bairstow
Stuart Broad
Harry Brook
Zak Crawley
Ben Foakes
Jack Leach
Alex Lees
Craig Overton
Ollie Pope
Matthew Potts
Joe Root

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Re: England Test squad v NZ

Post by fatboy47 » Wed May 18, 2022 9:46 am

Milltown1882 wrote:
Wed May 18, 2022 9:27 am
Good to see a couple of new faces. No idea how Matt Parkinson still doesn’t get a chance.

Ben Stokes (c)
James Anderson
Jonny Bairstow
Stuart Broad
Harry Brook
Zak Crawley
Ben Foakes
Jack Leach
Alex Lees
Craig Overton
Ollie Pope
Matthew Potts
Joe Root

Very rare for a Lancs spinner to become established as a regular in the England side.
Can't remember many in 53 years watching us.

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Re: England Test squad v NZ

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed May 18, 2022 9:48 am

Milltown1882 wrote:
Wed May 18, 2022 9:27 am
Good to see a couple of new faces. No idea how Matt Parkinson still doesn’t get a chance.

Ben Stokes (c)
James Anderson
Jonny Bairstow
Stuart Broad
Harry Brook
Zak Crawley
Ben Foakes
Jack Leach
Alex Lees
Craig Overton
Ollie Pope
Matthew Potts
Joe Root
Happy that Brook and Potts have been given a chance.

Brook in particular looks a good talent

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Re: England Test squad v NZ

Post by RVclaret » Wed May 18, 2022 9:53 am

It’s just baffling at this point how Parkinson isn’t in. Started the season really well for Lancs too. And as for Craig Overton zzzzzzz

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Re: England Test squad v NZ

Post by onewillieirvine » Wed May 18, 2022 9:55 am

I recall Chris Schofield got a few games about twenty years ago. Prior to him I can only think of Roy Tattersall.

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Re: England Test squad v NZ

Post by CleggHall » Wed May 18, 2022 10:01 am

Tommy Greenhalgh, Rochdale’s best and Lancashire leg spin.
Very difficult for any spinner to get into the test side on home soil in England, the game and wickets are set up for seam bowlers.

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Re: England Test squad v NZ

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed May 18, 2022 10:01 am

RVclaret wrote:
Wed May 18, 2022 9:53 am
It’s just baffling at this point how Parkinson isn’t in. Started the season really well for Lancs too. And as for Craig Overton zzzzzzz
Tbf Overton has had a decent start to the season with 22 wickets at an average of 16

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Re: England Test squad v NZ

Post by RVclaret » Wed May 18, 2022 10:04 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Wed May 18, 2022 10:01 am
Tbf Overton has had a decent start to the season with 22 wickets at an average of 16
Been given many chances for England and is incredibly average
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Re: England Test squad v NZ

Post by TheFamilyCat » Wed May 18, 2022 10:10 am

Good to see a couple of old names too.
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Re: England Test squad v NZ

Post by ClaretTony » Wed May 18, 2022 10:18 am

onewillieirvine wrote:
Wed May 18, 2022 9:55 am
I recall Chris Schofield got a few games about twenty years ago. Prior to him I can only think of Roy Tattersall.
CleggHall wrote:
Wed May 18, 2022 10:01 am
Tommy Greenhalgh, Rochdale’s best and Lancashire leg spin.
Very difficult for any spinner to get into the test side on home soil in England, the game and wickets are set up for seam bowlers.
Roy Tattersall was before my time but I certainly remember Tommy Greenhough playing for Lancs.

I think Chris Schofield played twice for England, scored a half century but didn't take a wicket.

Would have liked to have seen Parkinson given an opportunity.

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Re: England Test squad v NZ

Post by tiger76 » Wed May 18, 2022 11:25 am

Glad to see Anderson and Broad back in the fold, and Brook certainly deserves a shot as does Potts.

How Matty Parkinson is overlooked again baffles me, Leach is steady but he rarely threatens to bowl sides out, even on days 4 and 5 when your spinner should come into the game.

Craig Overton is another who's fortunate to retain his place, and it's likely that if Mahmood had been fit he'd have taken that spot.

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Re: England Test squad v NZ

Post by Mondsley » Wed May 18, 2022 11:34 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed May 18, 2022 10:18 am





Roy Tattersall was before my time but I certainly remember Tommy Greenhough playing for Lancs.

I think Chris Schofield played twice for England, scored a half century but didn't take a wicket.

Would have liked to have seen Parkinson given an opportunity.
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Feel really sorry for Parkinson. Carried the drinks all winter and now not picked.
I think you can thank Tommy Greenough for igniting Schoey's interest in becoming a leg spinner. Tommy was a youth coach at Littleborough when Chris was a young lad. Schoey did indeed play 2 tests against Zimbabwe when Bumble was coach. Nasser Hussain, captain at the time was less than complimentary about Schofield 's bowling abilities!quote]

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Re: England Test squad v NZ

Post by onewillieirvine » Wed May 18, 2022 11:40 am

Yes, I forgot about Tommy Greenhough, amazing really in the last seventy years or so only three Lancs spinners( I think) have played for England.

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Re: England Test squad v NZ

Post by TheFamilyCat » Wed May 18, 2022 12:17 pm

Kerrigan got a cap too. If memory serves it was the last game of the Ashes series we'd already won and flat-track bully Shane Watson smashed him all over.

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Re: England Test squad v NZ

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Wed May 18, 2022 1:09 pm

We have selected “Bowl batters in and don’t take wickets” Jack Leach instead.
Another John Embrury .
Need 20 wickets to win a test
Parkinson is a wicket taker and should be in , every time before Leach.
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Re: England Test squad v NZ

Post by Gunfury » Wed May 18, 2022 2:11 pm

I don’t know how Jack Leach keeps getting in,is he seriously the best spinner we have?

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Post by Vanders1994 » Wed May 18, 2022 2:21 pm

So much for the bold new regime the idea of pope batting at 3 when he's never batted there for Surrey against one of the best pace attacks in the world is a baffling one , also not sure what Parkinson needs to do to get a cap bowled over 100 more overs than leach this summer and is consistently bowling wicket taking deliveries

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed May 18, 2022 3:09 pm

Vanders1994 wrote:
Wed May 18, 2022 2:21 pm
So much for the bold new regime the idea of pope batting at 3 when he's never batted there for Surrey against one of the best pace attacks in the world is a baffling one , also not sure what Parkinson needs to do to get a cap bowled over 100 more overs than leach this summer and is consistently bowling wicket taking deliveries
That’s not how I read the line up. I thought it would be something like:

Crawley
Lees
Bairstow
Root
Brooks
Stokes
Foakes
Leach
Potts
Broad
Anderson

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Re: England Test squad v NZ

Post by Quickenthetempo » Wed May 18, 2022 3:09 pm

An international batsman should be able to bat anywhere in the order.
You will have to bat in many different situations.

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Re: England Test squad v NZ

Post by ClaretTony » Wed May 18, 2022 3:11 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Wed May 18, 2022 3:09 pm
That’s not how I read the line up. I thought it would be something like:

Crawley
Lees
Bairstow
Root
Brooks
Stokes
Foakes
Leach
Potts
Broad
Anderson
Been confirmed that Pope will bat at 3.

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Re: England Test squad v NZ

Post by JohnMcGreal » Wed May 18, 2022 3:13 pm

Gunfury wrote:
Wed May 18, 2022 2:11 pm
I don’t know how Jack Leach keeps getting in,is he seriously the best spinner we have?
No.

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Re: England Test squad v NZ

Post by jrgbfc » Wed May 18, 2022 3:14 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if Bairstow gets the gloves back and bats at 7.

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Re: England Test squad v NZ

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed May 18, 2022 4:21 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed May 18, 2022 3:11 pm
Been confirmed that Pope will bat at 3.
Seems a strange one, I Missed that

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Re: England Test squad v NZ

Post by tiger76 » Wed May 18, 2022 5:26 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Wed May 18, 2022 3:14 pm
I wouldn't be surprised if Bairstow gets the gloves back and bats at 7.
Madness with Foakes in the squad, and you just know Bairstow will drop a clanger somewhere in the series which will cost England a lot of runs.

And whoever bats at 7 runs the risk of being stranded with the tail, it's happened to Buttler several times recently when he's been left stranded when well set.

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Re: England Test squad v NZ

Post by Quickenthetempo » Wed May 18, 2022 6:24 pm

Foakes dropped a clanger and missed an easy stumping in the last West Indies test.

The WK position seems a little troubled, whoever can get us the most runs will win the shirt.

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Re: England Test squad v NZ

Post by Longsidelenny1882 » Wed May 18, 2022 6:59 pm

What I’ve seen off leach recently be surprised if he got in the colne team never mind the England team upthecolne

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Re: England Test squad v NZ

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu May 19, 2022 10:12 am

It’s been confirmed Bairstow is batting at 5. So it looks like Brooks won’t even feature

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Re: England Test squad v NZ

Post by ClaretTony » Thu May 19, 2022 10:32 am

Earlier this week, it was confirmed that Saqib Mahmood was ruled out for the season with a stress fracture of the lower back. The same has just been confirmed for Jofra Archer.

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Re: England Test squad v NZ

Post by RVclaret » Thu May 19, 2022 10:39 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu May 19, 2022 10:32 am
Earlier this week, it was confirmed that Saqib Mahmood was ruled out for the season with a stress fracture of the lower back. The same has just been confirmed for Jofra Archer.
Bad news. Archer looks done already.

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Re: England Test squad v NZ

Post by Burnley1989 » Thu May 19, 2022 10:40 am

RVclaret wrote:
Thu May 19, 2022 10:39 am
Bad news. Archer looks done already.
I’d agree, a real shame

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Re: England Test squad v NZ

Post by tiger76 » Thu May 19, 2022 11:26 am

So that's Archer, Fisher & Mahmood our for the summer, Wood has fitness issues as does Stokes, will England be able to field a decent attack beyond the stalwarts in Anderson and Broad, Woakes isn't in the squad either I just noticed, is he another one on the casualty list?

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Re: England Test squad v NZ

Post by jrgbfc » Thu May 19, 2022 11:38 am

If Archer can get back I could see him just playing franchise cricket in the IPL, Big Bash etc. Bowl 4 over spells and earn good money while you can, couldn't really blame him.

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Re: England Test squad v NZ

Post by Foulthrow » Thu May 19, 2022 4:07 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Thu May 19, 2022 11:26 am
So that's Archer, Fisher & Mahmood our for the summer, Wood has fitness issues as does Stokes, will England be able to field a decent attack beyond the stalwarts in Anderson and Broad, Woakes isn't in the squad either I just noticed, is he another one on the casualty list?
Think so, don’t think he’s played for Warks yet this season.

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