Is the Premier League scripted?

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by Blakesboots » Thu May 19, 2022 10:29 pm

NottsClaret wrote:
Thu May 19, 2022 10:24 pm
There’s no conspiracy - nobody other than us really gives a s*** if Burnley go down or not - there’s just some decisions you don’t agree with.

The sending off was harsh, Barnes was lucky, the handball was unclear. That’s all it is.
100% agree.

Cool heads needed.

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by ClaretAndLube » Thu May 19, 2022 10:29 pm

Of course it’s scripted. Do you really think the league wants Everton to be relegated? And do you really think that Burnley, “the turd that won’t flush away”, won’t be relegated rather than the Mighty Weeds?
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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by KRBFC » Thu May 19, 2022 10:30 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
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Vegas you're good at this normally, where can I find a clip?

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by ClaretAndLube » Thu May 19, 2022 10:30 pm

Of course it’s scripted. Do you really think the league wants Everton to be relegated? And do you really think that Burnley, “the turd that won’t flush away”, won’t be relegated rather than the Mighty Weeds?

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by randomclaret2 » Thu May 19, 2022 10:31 pm

Maybe Gerrard leaving Coutinho and Ings out was a wee bit of good luck we are overlooking...
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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu May 19, 2022 10:32 pm

ClaretAndLube wrote:
Thu May 19, 2022 10:29 pm
Of course it’s scripted. Do you really think the league wants Everton to be relegated? And do you really think that Burnley, “the turd that won’t flush away”, won’t be relegated rather than the Mighty Weeds?
I'm not sure I want to go through life thinking like that to be honest

Why wasn't Barnes sent off?

It would have been the perfect chance to put us below Leeds

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by TsarBomba » Thu May 19, 2022 10:38 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Thu May 19, 2022 10:31 pm
Maybe Gerrard leaving Coutinho and Ings out was a wee bit of good luck we are overlooking...
It’s very much human nature, if there’s an outcome we’re not happy with, to point fingers, or blame someone else.

Football is a classic example of this. It’s always the refs fault, or VAR, or that the PL is corrupt.

Villa had over 70% possession tonight. 22 shots on goal. Pope pulled off a string of miraculous saves.

Im just bloody happy we came away with a point tonight.

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by ALP » Thu May 19, 2022 10:40 pm

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Clearly shows what the liner should have seen and flagged, and Tierney and VAR should too. Shocking

Nicked this off FB Paul Sheehan
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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by ClaretAndLube » Thu May 19, 2022 10:40 pm

Two words - money talks

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by Cubanforever » Thu May 19, 2022 10:42 pm

ALP wrote:
Thu May 19, 2022 10:40 pm
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Clearly shows what the liner should have seen and flagged, and Tierney and VAR should too. Shocking

Nicked this off FB Paul Sheehan
Nice curtains

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by ALP » Thu May 19, 2022 10:46 pm

Cubanforever wrote:
Thu May 19, 2022 10:42 pm
Nice curtains
Not mine, bit I'm interested in isn't the curtains, it's how a professional team can't see that foul throw.
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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by Elizabeth » Thu May 19, 2022 10:47 pm

Until the fans can hear these VAR officials and referees making these decisions like in other sports there is only one conclusion to make. Corruption at the highest level.
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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by daveisaclaret » Thu May 19, 2022 10:47 pm

Would someone who thinks the Premier League is scripted or fixed mind explaining why they watch it?
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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by burnley007 » Thu May 19, 2022 10:48 pm

Guess which game Sky are showing on Sunday...🤔

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by Elizabeth » Thu May 19, 2022 10:49 pm

daveisaclaret wrote:
Thu May 19, 2022 10:47 pm
Would someone who thinks the Premier League is scripted or fixed mind explaining why they watch it?
I love watching films even though I know they are acting.
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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by KRBFC » Thu May 19, 2022 10:50 pm

burnley007 wrote:
Thu May 19, 2022 10:48 pm
Guess which game Sky are showing on Sunday...🤔
Guess which game they showed tonight???

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by Eloise Laws » Thu May 19, 2022 10:53 pm

At this moment in time it feels like Burnley play the opposition, the Ref, Var, the Commentators, in every game. Really do think we are not wanted in the EPL by more than just other fans…..

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by ElectroClaret » Thu May 19, 2022 10:57 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Thu May 19, 2022 10:20 pm
Of course it isn't.

How stupid do you have to be to believe that a sporting competition is scripted/rigged and still watch and be invested in it.
Extremely stupid.

But since when has that ever stopped the usual bellends on here?
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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Thu May 19, 2022 10:59 pm

Fuming tonight (and happy with a point).

Even by my standards of cynicism this was dodgy as hell. Decision after decision went to Villa which shouldn’t. Corners, foul throws, penalties, red cards. It was the most inconsistent refereeing performance I can remember, and Villa had nothing to play for.

Going back to last weeks discussion, anyone not saying there is bias in this league needs to go on gas and air for a bit. OK, subconscious bias by refs, I’m happy to accept that, that’s why Barnes stayed on (correctly), but its not subconscious in the corridors of power. The brand is all that matters. That rubs off on refs.

This is like a microcosm of leveling up. If you are small, we don’t care.
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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by superdimitri » Fri May 20, 2022 4:44 am

Not scripted but the pressure big clubs and fans put on refs plays a big part. As does the old boys referee club when it comes to VAR.

We need to make it as hard as possible for the ref to give anything against us in the next game.

We need Millwall style badgering of the ref, even decisions that are clearly correct the crowd needs to get on their back.

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by NottsClaret » Fri May 20, 2022 5:25 am

If the ref - and his shadowy paymasters in your crazy conspiracy - wanted to ensure Burnley didn’t win then why not take the perfect opportunity to have us down to 10 men very early in the game for Barnes’ elbow?

And why not send off Ayew for Palace for a fairly clear straight red before he’d even scored at Everton?

Wallowing in nonsense like this is like every other conspiracy in the world, it’s just a comfort blanket so you don’t have to accept the more worrying reality that bad (or in this case just annoying) stuff happens randomly and nobody is in control.

Always worth applying Hanlon’s razor, even in the world of sport.. never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by Stacky_claret » Fri May 20, 2022 5:38 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Thu May 19, 2022 10:13 pm
Lads, its not

Its just inconsistent with rules, and its normally not the same team having one given against it one week, and then (what looks like) exactly the same not given for it the next

They need to look at the VAR, and sort out the consistency as an absolute priority

And its pretty obvious from that the check on Lowton that was a very harsh red card as well

It does need sorting
How do you have inconsistency with rules they written in a book
I'm sure you said to me after the spurs game that to compare decisions it would need to be the same incident
Well there is your same incident tonight but guess what
Yep different outcome against us

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by Murger » Fri May 20, 2022 5:50 am

The travelling fans had it right last night 'Premier League, corrupt as ****'.
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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by xxmunkyennuixx » Fri May 20, 2022 6:46 am

superdimitri wrote:
Fri May 20, 2022 4:44 am
Not scripted but the pressure big clubs and fans put on refs plays a big part. As does the old boys referee club when it comes to VAR.

We need to make it as hard as possible for the ref to give anything against us in the next game.

We need Millwall style badgering of the ref, even decisions that are clearly correct the crowd needs to get on their back.
This needs to happen. I think the players need to go full on Arsenal too. Time to surround refs for everything. The Dyche standards of behaviour inculcated need to be wiped out. We have been far too accepting of the inconsistencies eg. the two corners, those little nudge fall overs that allow pressure to be exerted in the opposition half. That foul throw non-VAR is a disgrace. As fans we cannot wait, for a full 45's set of inconsistencies to respond. We need to be on the ref from kick off.

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri May 20, 2022 7:25 am

Stacky_claret wrote:
Fri May 20, 2022 5:38 am
How do you have inconsistency with rules they written in a book
I'm sure you said to me after the spurs game that to compare decisions it would need to be the same incident
Well there is your same incident tonight but guess what
Yep different outcome against us
I did, and I'd want an explanation why it wasn't a penalty

Still its not clear that it hit the arm of the defender yesterday from what I've seen, but that didn't stop my initial reaction to be screaming for a penalty!

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by Burnley Ace » Fri May 20, 2022 8:06 am

Tall Paul wrote:
Thu May 19, 2022 10:20 pm
Of course it isn't.

How stupid do you have to be to believe that a sporting competition is scripted/rigged and still watch and be invested in it.
Like WWE?

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by Tuddybfc » Fri May 20, 2022 8:13 am

Ultimately whilst the refereeing was poor last night, those corrupt chants were embarrassing. If we are to go down, the 2/12 points Vs Leeds and Norwich are to blame, not the officiating.
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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by xxmunkyennuixx » Fri May 20, 2022 8:18 am

Tuddybfc wrote:
Fri May 20, 2022 8:13 am
Ultimately whilst the refereeing was poor last night, those corrupt chants were embarrassing. If we are to go down, the 2/12 points Vs Leeds and Norwich are to blame, not the officiating.
Three solid penalty decisions not given against Norwich at home including Vyds punched in the head by the keeper when the ball was nowhere near? That Norwich game?
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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by Tall Paul » Fri May 20, 2022 8:42 am

Burnley Ace wrote:
Fri May 20, 2022 8:06 am
Like WWE?
Yes, like WWE, although I don't know a lot about it.

I expect most people watch it for entertainment but do some of them support particular wrestlers and if they get beaten it ruins their weekend? If so, that's pretty stupid.

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by IanMcL » Fri May 20, 2022 11:36 am

RickyBobby wrote:
Thu May 19, 2022 9:57 pm
Both scripted and corrupt.
It is not about which club is the best it is who is more marketable.
We have seen how bent this league is this week. Nothing we can do and it will only get worse. More money = more corruption in everything. Sport is no exception.
The Prem business id a world product. It has preferred outcomes, to ensure greater incomes.

Clubs like, Burnley, Watford, Norwich, are not part of that equation.

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by DCWat » Fri May 20, 2022 11:45 am

IanMcL wrote:
Fri May 20, 2022 11:36 am
The Prem business id a world product. It has preferred outcomes, to ensure greater incomes.

Clubs like, Burnley, Watford, Norwich, are not part of that equation.
I’d argue that the stories (including Everton) at the bottom of the league play a huge part in making the Premier League attractive.

There is no conspiracy.

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by IanMcL » Fri May 20, 2022 11:47 am

DCWat wrote:
Fri May 20, 2022 11:45 am
I’d argue that the stories (including Everton) at the bottom of the league play a huge part in making the Premier League attractive.
Of course.

Handy if the 'right teams are there'.

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by DCWat » Fri May 20, 2022 12:01 pm

It may be handy but it’s doesn’t mean it’s scripted or been engineered in any such way.

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by KRBFC » Fri May 20, 2022 12:08 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Fri May 20, 2022 11:36 am
The Prem business id a world product. It has preferred outcomes, to ensure greater incomes.

Clubs like, Burnley, Watford, Norwich, are not part of that equation.
but that's because they don't have the finances to compete, nothing else. Nothing is stopping billionaires bankrolling smaller clubs to compete. Man City weren't a huge club prior to the takeover. The big clubs at the top end of the table generate the income and interest, nobody in the PL gives a **** if Leeds are in the league fighting relegation.

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by GaryClaret » Fri May 20, 2022 12:15 pm

I think the officials are poor at their job and weak minded but not corrupt. VAR encourages behaviour like to go through certain situations with a fine tooth comb for the bigger clubs (e.g. Barnes pen) and for the smaller clubs they seem more laissez faire. I accept it’s probably my bias but with VAR there it does feel like the bigger teams have a team of lawyers working for them looking for any way to deny us a goal/give a penalty against us.

But the reality is it’s just **** poor officials. Nothing more complicated than that.

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Fri May 20, 2022 12:28 pm

Officials are not corrupt. They are “nudged”. Behavioural science / psychology. The PL applies nudge behaviour to enforce the brand, they choose what to make a fuss about and what not to.

For example, they will love pitch invasions because it is great TV, they will only stamp it out when something serious happens. With on pitch stuff, they condone the diving and cheating so refs don’t bother enforcing it.

No doubts in my mind they don’t want us and similar clubs in there, they want Forest, Leeds, Sunderland etc.

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by paulatky » Fri May 20, 2022 4:03 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Thu May 19, 2022 10:02 pm
Genuine question- what was the difference between the pen that was given against us Sunday and the ‘VAR check’ tonight?
The badge on the shirt - says it all !!

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by SurreyClaret » Fri May 20, 2022 4:42 pm

I think we need a 2nd VAR, for clear and obvious errors, like ones made by the two numpties who sent off Lowton last night.

The only way to help prevent bias or subconscious bias is to increase the number of people making VAR decisions. It's not going to cost that much money, and certainly not compared to the vast sums it costs teams who are relegated by these shocking decisions.

Just have a panel of ex referees (or a combination of refs and ex pro footballers trained in the rules) at Stockley Park, and they decide using a set ratio (say 4:1) whether you overturn the on-field decision or not (4:1 = clear and obvious).

They should sit independently, and vote seperately within a set time on decisions - something akin to the new style Olympic boxing scoring.

I'd also like VAR to be used to quickly correct obvious bad on-field decisions, like Charlie not getting a corner last night. Maybe give teams 1 requested VAR appeal check per game (keep it if they win the appeal)?

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by IanMcL » Fri May 20, 2022 6:15 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Fri May 20, 2022 12:08 pm
but that's because they don't have the finances to compete, nothing else. Nothing is stopping billionaires bankrolling smaller clubs to compete. Man City weren't a huge club prior to the takeover. The big clubs at the top end of the table generate the income and interest, nobody in the PL gives a **** if Leeds are in the league fighting relegation.
What stops billionaires investing in small clubs, is the possibility, or lack, of growth. A large population has a large external family spread across the world. Home generated income leads to external/worldwide etc.
Pictures of a large, full, pregerably modern, stadium are advantageous.

Look at Seville stadium the other night. Atletico have a new one. All enhances tge image of la Liga.
Spurs, Arsenal, Man City, West Ham etc, visibly housed in modern stadia. Burnley, Watford etc no.

Just all gloss but makes the Prem look a successful product.

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by fatboy47 » Fri May 20, 2022 11:36 pm

We've been stinking the Prem out for way longer than you'd have guessed 6 years ago, and it might not be over yet...but we're little more than an unwanted bad smell to the market men.

They'll be rooting for Leeds on Sunday.

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Sat May 21, 2022 12:32 am

There is undoubtedly dodgy deals and corruption in the ownership of just about every football club. Makes us look positively Saint like. But on a pure footballing perspective I refuse to believe referees are being paid off. Newspapers and all sorts will be waving money at refs all the time, and not once has anything come out about bent refs…

The refs are just ****, and some are probably biased, it does seem very very odd that not one of the 20 top refs in the Uk support any one of the prem sides and not even any of their rivals. Obvious that refs are having to lie about allegiance to their own team to further their careers.

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by dsr » Sat May 21, 2022 12:37 am

How easy is it to organise a conspiracy like this? I mean, if you had a product which is more in the public eye than any other in the world, and you want to rig it - how many people do you need to fix? 100? 500? I don't know how easy it is to contact 500 different people who are all willing to corrupt themselves, while never finding a single one who will turn you down and blow the whistle.

As someone pointed out further up the thread, when the US President had an affair that only 2 people knew about, the secret leaked, But people still believe that the US President organised a conspiracy of thousands to bring down the Twin Towers and no-one found out about it. It's laughable.
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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by Burnley1989 » Sat May 21, 2022 7:14 am

I still have a mate that thinks COVID was a conspiracy and I’d argue he’s actually fairly intelligent, it’s scary how some folks brains work, I feel sorry for them to wake up with that level of cynicism
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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by KRBFC » Sat May 21, 2022 8:00 am

paulatky wrote:
Fri May 20, 2022 4:03 pm
The badge on the shirt - says it all !!
That's not true though

For one, it wasn't clear it hit the arm, and number 2 if it did hit the arm, IT IS NOT HANDBALL IF IT HITS THE SHIRT, it has to be below the shirt.

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by KRBFC » Sat May 21, 2022 8:02 am

fatboy47 wrote:
Fri May 20, 2022 11:36 pm
We've been stinking the Prem out for way longer than you'd have guessed 6 years ago, and it might not be over yet...but we're little more than an unwanted bad smell to the market men.

They'll be rooting for Leeds on Sunday.
but that's what comes with playing boring football, Stoke were the same. Neutrals didn't want to watch that crap.

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by taio » Sat May 21, 2022 8:12 am

KRBFC wrote:
Sat May 21, 2022 8:00 am
That's not true though

For one, it wasn't clear it hit the arm, and number 2 if it did hit the arm, IT IS NOT HANDBALL IF IT HITS THE SHIRT, it has to be below the shirt.
That's not specified in the laws of the game

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by KRBFC » Sat May 21, 2022 8:35 am

taio wrote:
Sat May 21, 2022 8:12 am
That's not specified in the laws of the game
From the 2020/21 season in the Premier League, there will be a new interpretation of the law on handball made by the International Football Association Board (IFAB).

The boundary between the shoulder and the arm is now defined by "the bottom of the armpit".

To penalise a player for handball the match officials must have clear evidence that the ball has struck the player's arm below the bottom of the armpit and in the red zone indicated below.


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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by taio » Sat May 21, 2022 8:43 am

KRBFC wrote:
Sat May 21, 2022 8:35 am
From the 2020/21 season in the Premier League, there will be a new interpretation of the law on handball made by the International Football Association Board (IFAB).

The boundary between the shoulder and the arm is now defined by "the bottom of the armpit".

To penalise a player for handball the match officials must have clear evidence that the ball has struck the player's arm below the bottom of the armpit and in the red zone indicated below.


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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by Greenmile » Sat May 21, 2022 9:51 am

dsr wrote:
Sat May 21, 2022 12:37 am
How easy is it to organise a conspiracy like this? I mean, if you had a product which is more in the public eye than any other in the world, and you want to rig it - how many people do you need to fix? 100? 500? I don't know how easy it is to contact 500 different people who are all willing to corrupt themselves, while never finding a single one who will turn you down and blow the whistle...
You’re certainly going to struggle to involve all those refs in your conspiracy without any of them blowing the whistle.

I’ll get me coat.

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Re: Is the Premier League scripted?

Post by Lancasterclaret » Sat May 21, 2022 10:12 am

Those of you that believe its all a conspiracy to get us relegated?

Is this the only conspiracy you believe in?

Do you regularly listen to a people online telling you stuff that you know deep down is ********?

Do you often ignore reality in face of all the evidence, and start believing in stuff that if it happens, will actually affect you negatively?

Do you find yourself listening to rich people telling you to vote against your interests in favour of theirs?

Then maybe you are due compensation!

Call us at BPL4U

(Blue passport lawyers for you)

(This is a joke by the way, and I hope its treated as such!)

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