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Lowton red card

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri May 20, 2022 1:47 pm

Jackson just said the club are appealing it and rightly so imho

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by martin_p » Fri May 20, 2022 1:49 pm

Interesting. Not sure it’ll get us anywhere to be honest.

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by tiger76 » Fri May 20, 2022 1:51 pm

Not surprisingly we're appealing, though I'm not hopeful it'll be rescinded.

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri May 20, 2022 1:52 pm

it should be rescinded, it's a diabolical decision
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Re: Lowton red card

Post by fatboy47 » Fri May 20, 2022 1:59 pm

Awful decision but it'll stand.

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by beddie » Fri May 20, 2022 2:00 pm

Certainly nothing lost in appealing it.

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by tarkys_ears » Fri May 20, 2022 2:02 pm

It'll stand.

Even though everyone (inc villa, leeds fans etc) has said what a joke it was.

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by FeedTheArf » Fri May 20, 2022 2:06 pm

Glad we're appealing it. Although he probably won't start against Newcastle he's one that you'd want to bring on at some stage for his experience.

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by RVclaret » Fri May 20, 2022 2:06 pm

There was a red given earlier in the season at West Ham, can’t remember who they were playing / which player, but it was a very similar tackle which the player received a red for. I remember twitter / the media were up in arms about it and it got rescinded on appeal. Problem we have is 1. Hasn’t been much noise about it online 2. It’s us and they don’t give a flying.
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Re: Lowton red card

Post by Burnley1989 » Fri May 20, 2022 2:07 pm

beddie wrote:
Fri May 20, 2022 2:00 pm
Certainly nothing lost in appealing it.
Does the ban not get extended? I’d imagine Lowton will still be with us next season, having said that I’d appeal it because I love a gamble :lol:

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by beddie » Fri May 20, 2022 2:07 pm

Does an actual hearing take place where someone from our club attends, if so they should highlight other incidents that only merited a yellow, one of them being Kane on Robertson only receiving a yellow(red all day for me) and it was Tierney that refereed it. (I think).
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Re: Lowton red card

Post by martin_p » Fri May 20, 2022 2:08 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:
Fri May 20, 2022 2:07 pm
Does the ban not get extended? I’d imagine Lowton will still be with us next season, having said that I’d appeal it because I love a gamble :lol:
I think it can be for ‘a frivolous appeal’ but I wouldn’t expect it in this case.
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Re: Lowton red card

Post by Silkyskills1 » Fri May 20, 2022 2:18 pm

Think Tierney got the red card from his pocket in record time. That could be reviewed too. The attitude and approach of many officials is disgusting.

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by NewClaret » Fri May 20, 2022 2:23 pm

Agree it’ll stand. No harm in appealing.

Who decides these things by the way?

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by ClaretAndBlue94 » Fri May 20, 2022 2:39 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:
Fri May 20, 2022 2:18 pm
Think Tierney got the red card from his pocket in record time. That could be reviewed too. The attitude and approach of many officials is disgusting.
I said that at the time. He couldn't wait to be in the limelight !

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by Tricky Trevor » Fri May 20, 2022 2:48 pm

I just wish they’d play to one set of rules.
Krul stays on after trying to decapitate Matty Vydra, supposedly because he touched the ball(he didn’t), Jiminez v. DL and Matt Lowton are sent off for endangering an opponent. Jiminez was kicked in Mesliers follow through and Matt had played the ball and done his utmost to ground his studs.

Exactly the same with the pen given against Barnes but not given against Digne. For anybody who thinks it didn’t touch his arm have a look at the camera angle looking down the pitch. You can clearly see the blue sleeve get dragged down as the ball brushes past it. Far enough away from his shoulder that the utter ******** about where the arm begins wouldn’t come into question.

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by bfcjg » Fri May 20, 2022 3:29 pm

I think it will be rescinded, Tierney will then go on hunger strike.

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by AwayClaret » Fri May 20, 2022 3:33 pm

Never ever a red like ever.

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by Rowls » Fri May 20, 2022 3:35 pm

It's a poor decision but our chances of having it overturned are pretty much zero.

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by EarbyClaret » Fri May 20, 2022 3:56 pm

Does that 'frivolous appeal' rule still apply?

Not saying this falls into that category - I agree with Rowls (above)

I remember we appealed one under Coyle awarded to Joey Gudmundsson against Preston and (rightly) got a 3 game ban extended to 4 as a result

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by Taffy on the wing » Fri May 20, 2022 4:00 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Fri May 20, 2022 1:52 pm
it should be rescinded, it's a diabolical decision
If they don't overturn that one....the whole process is pointless.
Never a red.

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by BurnleyFC » Fri May 20, 2022 4:20 pm

It wasn’t even a foul, just a good, strong tackle the likes of what you see every week in grassroots football.

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by Winstonswhite » Fri May 20, 2022 4:53 pm

It’ll definitely be rescinded

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by Colburn_Claret » Fri May 20, 2022 5:26 pm

It wasn't a red, Lowts won the ball by a mile, his foot wasn't overly high, and it was the Everton lad who arrived too late.
Tierney was far too quick to show the red, didn't take any time to consider, or take advantage of the monitor.

There still isn't a cat in hells chance that it will get overturned.
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Re: Lowton red card

Post by Claret Till I Die » Fri May 20, 2022 5:28 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Fri May 20, 2022 5:26 pm
It wasn't a red, Lowts won the ball by a mile, his foot wasn't overly high, and it was the Everton lad who arrived too late.
Tierney was far too quick to show the red, didn't take any time to consider, or take advantage of the monitor.

There still isn't a cat in hells chance that it will get overturned.
He was very late if it was an Everton player involved..
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Re: Lowton red card

Post by EarbyClaret » Fri May 20, 2022 5:33 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Fri May 20, 2022 5:26 pm
It wasn't a red, Lowts won the ball by a mile, his foot wasn't overly high, and it was the Everton lad who arrived too late.
Tierney was far too quick to show the red, didn't take any time to consider, or take advantage of the monitor.

There still isn't a cat in hells chance that it will get overturned.
It's never getting overturned if it's an Everton player - that makes him 6 weeks late into the tackle :D

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Fri May 20, 2022 5:40 pm

Never a red card and Burnley are right to appeal. The fact that many believe it will be turned down, as I do, tells you all you need to know about the refereeing system used by the premier league.

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by Elizabeth » Fri May 20, 2022 6:56 pm

Whistling in the wind. The injustice is finished with. Lowton is no longer part of our survival battle.

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by IWOODLOVETT » Sat May 21, 2022 4:54 pm

When do we get the decision - before or (more likely) after tomorrow’s game ??

For fairness they should review today so that Lowton (if cleared) could play a part tomorrow.
Wont happen though will it ? 😉

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by ClaretTony » Sat May 21, 2022 5:07 pm

IWOODLOVETT wrote:
Sat May 21, 2022 4:54 pm
When do we get the decision - before or (more likely) after tomorrow’s game ??

For fairness they should review today so that Lowton (if cleared) could play a part tomorrow.
Wont happen though will it ? 😉
I very much doubt that Tierney’s final shocking decision will be overturned but it will have to be today.

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by IWOODLOVETT » Sat May 21, 2022 5:36 pm

Tierney seemed to be biased throughout the game - every strong (but fair) tackle went Villa’s way, he missed the foul throw leading to their goal, he overruled our claims for a penalty and of course he was extremely quick with his red card. He also reacted badly to our penalty appeals and called Tarks over to have a word with a (rightly) indignant Ashley.

However I do think that he (and VAR) missed Barnes’ early elbowing incident, which on another day could have been a red and which could have changed the game. Perhaps he looked at this again with VAR at halftime and saw Lowton’s red as an opportunity to balance the books.

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by ClaretTony » Sat May 21, 2022 5:38 pm

IWOODLOVETT wrote:
Sat May 21, 2022 5:36 pm
Tierney seemed to be biased throughout the game - every strong (but fair) tackle went Villa’s way, he missed the foul throw leading to their goal, he overruled our claims for a penalty and of course he was extremely quick with his red card. He also reacted badly to our penalty appeals and called Tarks over to have a word with a (rightly) indignant Ashley.

However I do think that he (and VAR) missed Barnes’ early elbowing incident, which on another day could have been a red and which could have changed the game. Perhaps he looked at this again with VAR at halftime and saw Lowton’s red as an opportunity to balance the books.
VAR didn't miss the Barnes incident - they did not see it as dangerous and therefore not a red card

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by IWOODLOVETT » Sat May 21, 2022 5:54 pm

You’re right they didn’t miss it but their decision went our way. To me it looked very similar to Andy Carroll’s assault on Ben Mee. and every one of the tv pundits agreed that we had “got away with one”.

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by EarbyClaret » Sat May 21, 2022 6:08 pm

I think what went in Barnes favour was at no point does he look over his shoulder so could make the case he used his arms for momentum when he jumped not realising where Mings was

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by summitclaret » Sat May 21, 2022 6:14 pm

IWOODLOVETT wrote:
Sat May 21, 2022 5:54 pm
You’re right they didn’t miss it but their decision went our way. To me it looked very similar to Andy Carroll’s assault on Ben Mee. and every one of the tv pundits agreed that we had “got away with one”.
For which he got a yellow

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by DCWat » Sat May 21, 2022 6:19 pm

I wouldn’t have complained at all, had Barnes been sent off. He was asking for trouble and knowing Barnes’s love for the dark arts of football, I assumed intent on his part.

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by tarkys_ears » Sat May 21, 2022 6:20 pm

When will this be resolved?

The game is tomorrow...

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by Nonayforever » Sat May 21, 2022 6:44 pm

I wonder what our grounds of appeal are?

The ref was very close and gave a quick straight red and VAR supported his decision. The appeal panel or person will just look at the black and white rule book for the incident not how the ref performed, nor the games outcome etc nor any related incidents. It's hard to see how we can win the appeal.
I didn't think it warranted a red but it's not my opinion that counts.

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by ClaretTony » Sat May 21, 2022 6:48 pm

EarbyClaret wrote:
Sat May 21, 2022 6:08 pm
I think what went in Barnes favour was at no point does he look over his shoulder so could make the case he used his arms for momentum when he jumped not realising where Mings was
Clearly didn't look at anyone. Looked nothing other than using his arm for jumping to me.
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Re: Lowton red card

Post by ClaretTony » Sat May 21, 2022 6:48 pm

Nonayforever wrote:
Sat May 21, 2022 6:44 pm
I wonder what our grounds of appeal are?

The ref was very close and gave a quick straight red and VAR supported his decision. The appeal panel or person will just look at the black and white rule book for the incident not how the ref performed, nor the games outcome etc nor any related incidents. It's hard to see how we can win the appeal.
I didn't think it warranted a red but it's not my opinion that counts.
I'm with you. I don't think we have a chance of getting it overturned.

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by Andreshotboots » Sat May 21, 2022 7:05 pm

If we appeal we'll end up with a six point deduction

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by Roosterbooster » Sat May 21, 2022 8:05 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat May 21, 2022 6:48 pm
Clearly didn't look at anyone. Looked nothing other than using his arm for jumping to me.
If you use your arms to jump, they should go in the opposite direction to where you want to jump. Which is usually up, hence the arms come down at the end. It's basic fundamentals of momentum. Now I doubt Ashley Barnes has a PhD is physics, but I'm fairly certain he knows how to use his arms to jump. And I'm also fairly certain he wasn't trying to jump forwards...

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by Row Z » Sat May 21, 2022 8:11 pm

Roosterbooster wrote:
Sat May 21, 2022 8:05 pm
If you use your arms to jump, they should go in the opposite direction to where you want to jump. Which is usually up, hence the arms come down at the end. It's basic fundamentals of momentum. Now I doubt Ashley Barnes has a PhD is physics, but I'm fairly certain he knows how to use his arms to jump. And I'm also fairly certain he wasn't trying to jump forwards...
?? … No footballer starts a jump for a header with their arms by their side, these happen all the time and I think the fact Ash didn’t look and travelled quite a few yards to follow the flight of the ball saved him.

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by boatshed bill » Sat May 21, 2022 8:18 pm

I can't see the point of appealing, the season will be over, we gain nothing.

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by beddie » Sat May 21, 2022 8:21 pm

What’s wrong is that the panel should have dealt with it yesterday. If the appeal is eventually allowed it proves an injustice has clearly been done that could have affected our premier league status,

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by dougcollins » Sat May 21, 2022 8:33 pm

Only Ashley Barnes knows the truth regarding his potential red.

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by IanMcL » Sat May 21, 2022 8:36 pm

IWOODLOVETT wrote:
Sat May 21, 2022 5:54 pm
You’re right they didn’t miss it but their decision went our way. To me it looked very similar to Andy Carroll’s assault on Ben Mee. and every one of the tv pundits agreed that we had “got away with one”.
Anything pales into insignificance, when compared to Andy Carroll!

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by IanMcL » Sat May 21, 2022 8:36 pm

dougcollins wrote:
Sat May 21, 2022 8:33 pm
Only Ashley Barnes knows the truth regarding his potential red.
He says he is innocent.
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Re: Lowton red card

Post by IanMcL » Sat May 21, 2022 8:39 pm

No decision?

The fixture timing was decided by Prem. If it had been earlier in the week, there would be a decision. Same should apply, so no game is missed. Otherwise, it is a suspension by default.

I would hope there is an outcome.

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Re: Lowton red card

Post by ClaretTony » Sat May 21, 2022 8:44 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Sat May 21, 2022 8:39 pm
No decision?

The fixture timing was decided by Prem. If it had been earlier in the week, there would be a decision. Same should apply, so no game is missed. Otherwise, it is a suspension by default.

I would hope there is an outcome.
And the Premier League have absolutely no jurisdiction regarding red/yellow cards/appeals etc. That's an FA matter. They are usually dealt with swiftly. Maybe we decided not to appeal.

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