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Re: Lowton red card
Yes to the correction. I agree that it is odd, so also must assume we did not appeal or were 'advised' not to appeal.
Otherwise, the suspension would be in place? Or do you play on until the appeal heard snd then either have it rescinded or upheld?
On the back of my mind, in the past, an appeal meant you played the next game, if the panel had mot met.
Otherwise, the suspension would be in place? Or do you play on until the appeal heard snd then either have it rescinded or upheld?
On the back of my mind, in the past, an appeal meant you played the next game, if the panel had mot met.
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Re: Lowton red card
I've watched it a few times, if it was one of their players sent off we'd all be in agreement. Red Card, out of control with studs up..
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I agree, was a daft tackle, we’ve all done it, I’d have done it but he knew there was no winnerboatshed bill wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 9:03 pmI've watched it a few times, if it was one of their players sent off we'd all be in agreement. Red Card, out of control with studs up..
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Re: Lowton red card
The studs weren't up. The studs went up after his momentum had taken him through the player. And the studs only went up then so he didn't snap his leg getting caught in the turf.
In fact at the point of impact he does what he can to try and minimise the impact.
Nonsense decision, he won the ball.
In fact at the point of impact he does what he can to try and minimise the impact.
Nonsense decision, he won the ball.
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Re: Lowton red card
Thank god I'm not mad. I was starting to think I was the only one who saw him point his studs down after taking the ball.Bin Ont Turf wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 9:27 pmThe studs weren't up. The studs went up after his momentum had taken him through the player. And the studs only went up then so he didn't snap his leg getting caught in the turf.
In fact at the point of impact he does what he can to try and minimise the impact.
Nonsense decision, he won the ball.
NEVER A RED
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Like I said, we'd want a red if it was the other way round.Bin Ont Turf wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 9:27 pmThe studs weren't up. The studs went up after his momentum had taken him through the player. And the studs only went up then so he didn't snap his leg getting caught in the turf.
In fact at the point of impact he does what he can to try and minimise the impact.
Nonsense decision, he won the ball.
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Re: Lowton red card
It was a nonsense of a decision but I believe Lowton will be out for three games nowBin Ont Turf wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 9:27 pmThe studs weren't up. The studs went up after his momentum had taken him through the player. And the studs only went up then so he didn't snap his leg getting caught in the turf.
In fact at the point of impact he does what he can to try and minimise the impact.
Nonsense decision, he won the ball.
Re: Lowton red card
Surely if they haven't had the appeal he plays, that's what has happened in the past for others isn't it?
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Re: Lowton red card
How's about the shin high follow through on McNeil against Villa a couple of weeks ago that wasn't even a booking?boatshed bill wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 9:03 pmI've watched it a few times, if it was one of their players sent off we'd all be in agreement. Red Card, out of control with studs up..
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Re: Lowton red card
does that make me the March hareBin Ont Turf wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 9:39 pmWhat if I'm mad though?
But yes, he definitely had his studs down.
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Unfortunately your attempt to read my mind has failed. You're fully entitled to your own opinion, but it's usually unwise to be so convinced you're right that no-one else can have a different opinion.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 9:03 pmI've watched it a few times, if it was one of their players sent off we'd all be in agreement. Red Card, out of control with studs up..
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Re: Lowton red card
You can have whatever opinion you want.
It's still a red card.
Sometimes one just has to accept things that don't suit.
Like I said, the rules now are shite.
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Specifically, when you say that I would be shouting for a red card for any opponent who does that, you're plain wrong. I don't disagree that the rules are rubbish.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 11:17 pmYou can have whatever opinion you want.
It's still a red card.
Sometimes one just has to accept things that don't suit.
Like I said, the rules now are [deleted].
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Re: Lowton red card
Obvious to me this was reckless but not violent or dangerous. Yellow card. Foot was low, studs pointed down (hence why he trod on the guys foot in a sense). If this were a City player, the appeal would now be over and done with, and won. I have no doubts.
The other way to look at this - which is more dangerous, Lowton’s foul, or the one in the Mersey derby when Richarlison put his studs on the guys leg then (presumably deliberately) pushed his studs in hard? We may recall - that incident that was unpunished.
The other way to look at this - which is more dangerous, Lowton’s foul, or the one in the Mersey derby when Richarlison put his studs on the guys leg then (presumably deliberately) pushed his studs in hard? We may recall - that incident that was unpunished.
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Re: Lowton red card
Anyone that’s played football at any level will know that’s never even remotely a red.
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Re: Lowton red card
TBH it wouldn't have been a foul when I played.PremierLeagueClass wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 11:34 pmAnyone that’s played football at any level will know that’s never even remotely a red.
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Absolute prime example here. Can anybody help me? Is it psychology?PremierLeagueClass wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 11:34 pmAnyone that’s played football at any level will know that’s never even remotely a red.
I.e where there is a perceived authority....therefore if you think differently....you must be wrong......because you are thinking differently to the expert. So the person stating it wins the argument....because you back down thinking the expert must know best.
What is this method called?....please help me.
Let me try this.
I used to play football professionally for Carlisle Utd. Lowton deliberately endangered his opponent, so therefore it is without doubt a red card. Even if you haven't played football professionally like me, but played it at some lower level, surely you can see it was dangerous and must therefore be a red card.
Grrr. What is this technique called?
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I can't be certain but it sounds very much like gobbledegook?2 Bee Holed wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 12:15 amAbsolute prime example here. Can anybody help me? Is it psychology?
I.e where there is a perceived authority....therefore if you think differently....you must be wrong......because you are thinking differently to the expert. So the person stating it wins the argument....because you back down thinking the expert must know best.
What is this method called?....please help me.
Let me try this.
I used to play football professionally for Carlisle Utd. Lowton deliberately endangered his opponent, so therefore it is without doubt a red card. Even if you haven't played football professionally like me, but played it at some lower level, surely you can see it was dangerous and must therefore be a red card.
Grrr. What is this technique called?
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Re: Lowton red card
I think it was a yellow card .
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Nope. There is a definite name for this technique. Try it, it's surprising how often it works.Cheshireclaret wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 12:19 amI can't be certain but it sounds very much like gobbledegook?
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2 Bee Holed wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 12:15 amAbsolute prime example here. Can anybody help me? Is it psychology?
I.e where there is a perceived authority....therefore if you think differently....you must be wrong......because you are thinking differently to the expert. So the person stating it wins the argument....because you back down thinking the expert must know best.
What is this method called?....please help me.
Let me try this.
I used to play football professionally for Carlisle Utd. Lowton deliberately endangered his opponent, so therefore it is without doubt a red card. Even if you haven't played football professionally like me, but played it at some lower level, surely you can see it was dangerous and must therefore be a red card.
Grrr. What is this technique called?
I don't like picking on people. But, you know. This guy is playing for carlisle or sumthin I dunno you guys, could be one of them fellas that always has yer back at Miwwwalll you know.
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Don't pick on me then.distortiondave wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 12:28 amI don't like picking on people. But, you know. This guy is playing for carlisle or sumthin I dunno you guys, could be one of them fellas that always has yer back at Miwwwalll you know.
I have never played for Carlisle. It was just an example of somebody pretending to be an expert......so that everyone agrees with them and they therefore win the argument.
Have you got your money back yet?
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2 Bee Holed wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 12:44 amDon't pick on me then.
I have never played for Carlisle. It was just an example of somebody pretending to be an expert......so that everyone agrees with them and they therefore win the argument.
Have you got your money back yet?
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Have I heck!
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Re: Lowton red card
Appeal to authority, a variation of an ad hominem as positive debate rather than negative debate. As logical fallacies go its less aggravating than direct ad hominem attacks but craftier as expertise can (and should) be used to provide further information and context. But the fallacy is using the authority alone without actually demonstrating the added evidence of it.2 Bee Holed wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 12:15 amAbsolute prime example here. Can anybody help me? Is it psychology?
I.e where there is a perceived authority....therefore if you think differently....you must be wrong......because you are thinking differently to the expert. So the person stating it wins the argument....because you back down thinking the expert must know best.
What is this method called?....please help me.
Let me try this.
I used to play football professionally for Carlisle Utd. Lowton deliberately endangered his opponent, so therefore it is without doubt a red card. Even if you haven't played football professionally like me, but played it at some lower level, surely you can see it was dangerous and must therefore be a red card.
Grrr. What is this technique called?
As for the topic at hand, I don't think it's ever a red card, but I probably would say that as a Burnley fan. But can only think what you think.
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Argument from authority. Sometimes called appeal to authority. It's a form of sophistry. Rather than substantiate a claim by providing evidence or justification for what is affirmed, an appeal to authority tricks an uncritical listener into believing it to true by causing them to doubt themselves and trust in a so-called "authority". An uncritical listener might then accept the claim on the basis that it is held by an authority, but technically speaking the claim has not been proven. All that has happened is a clever bit of language has been used by one person to bend another person to their will.2 Bee Holed wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 12:15 amAbsolute prime example here. Can anybody help me? Is it psychology?
I.e where there is a perceived authority....therefore if you think differently....you must be wrong......because you are thinking differently to the expert. So the person stating it wins the argument....because you back down thinking the expert must know best.
What is this method called?....please help me.
Let me try this.
I used to play football professionally for Carlisle Utd. Lowton deliberately endangered his opponent, so therefore it is without doubt a red card. Even if you haven't played football professionally like me, but played it at some lower level, surely you can see it was dangerous and must therefore be a red card.
Grrr. What is this technique called?
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Sorry, spt. Missed your post there. I've basically repeated you. Soz!
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Why thank you and spt both. I knew it was a well known technique.
I am sure sales people are trained in a similar technique.
Eg
"95% of people who buy these hearing aids do so because they want to be able to hear their grandchildren."
By implication therefore if you don't buy the aids you don't want to hear your grandkids.
Mind you, probably not the best example considering some of the folk on here.
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Re: Lowton red card
Except Tierney, Brooks and the appeals panel.PremierLeagueClass wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 11:34 pmAnyone that’s played football at any level will know that’s never even remotely a red.
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so is the appeal Monday?
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Appeal failed
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it's another staggering decision
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Why am I not surprised, of course the panel were going to back Tierney he's one of their own.
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Scumbags
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Re: Lowton red card
Appeal had to be held prior to yesterday's games and I posted further up the thread that it had failed and Lowton would be suspended for yesterday.
The three person panel who upheld the decision were Gary Mabbutt, Stuart Ripley and former England player Faye White.
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What a joke!
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Re: Lowton red card
don't know anything about when Faye White reitred but there isn't a cat in hells chance it would have been a free-kick never mind a red card when Mabbutt and Ripley were playingClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 3:11 pmAppeal had to be held prior to yesterday's games and I posted further up the thread that it had failed and Lowton would be suspended for yesterday.
The three person panel who upheld the decision were Gary Mabbutt, Stuart Ripley and former England player Faye White.
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Re: Lowton red card
So he's banned for the first three games next season?
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Re: Lowton red card
First two I would guess, as he's already served one of them yesterday.gawthorpe_view wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 3:30 pmSo he's banned for the first three games next season?
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Re: Lowton red card
If they declined the appeal then have they considered it a frivolous appeal which usually results in an additional game?jedi_master wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 3:31 pmFirst two I would guess, as he's already served one of them yesterday.
If not then I’m wondering what the reason is for them not overturning it was
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Re: Lowton red card
No, three match ban, yesterday and first two games of next season.gawthorpe_view wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 3:30 pmSo he's banned for the first three games next season?
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The reason for them not overturning it is that it was viewed by VAR and they don’t want to be seen to be going against a decision that was made in this way.
It should have been overturned but it’s a save face decision.
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Giving the benefit of any doubt, no matter how small, to the referee.
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I think a frivolous appeal is "any referee would have sent him off", whereas a non-frivolous one is "it could have gone either way". A successful appeal is only when they couldn't see any reason why it would be a red card, and they shouldn't happen with VAR available.
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How are the panel chosen I wonder? If it had been shearer, wright and lineker they would have probably overturned it.
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I suspect the question isn't "Do you think this was a red card?", but more "within the narrow parameters you have been given, are you 2 billion % sure it wasn't absolutely not a red card? And remember, we haven't yet decided whether or not to ask you back!!"ClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 3:11 pmThe three person panel who upheld the decision were Gary Mabbutt, Stuart Ripley and former England player Faye White.
What a joke