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Jack Cork
Talkbfc (Instagram) have posted that Jack Cork signed a 1 year deal post game. Can’t see it reported elsewhere. Hopefully true since that would massively increase our chances in my opinion.
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Re: Jack Cork
Would be a fabulous signing
Re: Jack Cork
Would have stayed up had he been fit all season
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Struggle to see him managing the full 46 game schedule but like said, would be very good in the Championship. I’m hoping for a change in system so he can play in front of the back 4 as a defensive midfielder, using his ability to read the game and receive the ball under pressure from the defence.
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Re: Jack Cork
In the Championship he'll had far more space and time to do that as well.RVclaret wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 11:07 amStruggle to see him managing the full 46 game schedule but like said, would be very good in the Championship. I’m hoping for a change in system so he can play in front of the back 4 as a defensive midfielder, using his ability to read the game and receive the ball under pressure from the defence.
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Re: Jack Cork
Maybe its just me but I find it hard to get too excited over 33 year old signing new contracts...We've done all this for the last few years and look where it's ended up.
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Yeah exactly. I think it’s a role which would really suit him. Less dynamic than whats required as a centre mid in a 4-4-2.
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Re: Jack Cork
We absolutely need to keep a core of players together. Defensive solidity is very important for a promotion push. We conceded less goals this season than many of the bottom half of the PL so if we can keep that up, we’ll be in with a good chance of promotion.randomclaret2 wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 11:15 amMaybe its just me but I find it hard to get too excited over 33 year old signing new contracts...We've done all this for the last few years and look where it's ended up.
Keeping that core of real experienced professionals with a passion for the club (see how devastated Cork was yesterday) and building on that with a few of the youth team/free signings/loans will be vital for us, I think.
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Re: Jack Cork
Yes if this is confirmed, that'll be Cork and Jay signing new contracts when both are 33, where is the promised youth, we're in danger of continuing a failed policy of keeping players past their best, and if we do keep Cork. Jay and Mee, that has to be balanced by recruiting youth and pace, which is something we've lacked for far too long.randomclaret2 wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 11:15 amMaybe its just me but I find it hard to get too excited over 33 year old signing new contracts...We've done all this for the last few years and look where it's ended up.
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He’ll do a job in the Championship.randomclaret2 wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 11:15 amMaybe its just me but I find it hard to get too excited over 33 year old signing new contracts...We've done all this for the last few years and look where it's ended up.
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Re: Jack Cork
Cork, Brownhill and Westwood is a good starting point for central midfield in that league. We need a goalscorer there though who can get us 6-8 from the middle, hence I would be trying to get John Swift in on a free as I have mentioned. 11 goals for a poor Reading side. Hopefully Brownhill can get us 5-6 also as he managed at Bristol City.
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Re: Jack Cork
I've been talking John Swift unfortunately we seem to dither
He should have been snapped up in January
He should have been snapped up in January
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Re: Jack Cork
We need to aim higher than this.
He’s been a great servant to the club, but he’s not the answer now.
He’s been a great servant to the club, but he’s not the answer now.
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Re: Jack Cork
Because Cork and Jay Rod will be far cheaper than quality young players.tiger76 wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 11:22 amYes if this is confirmed, that'll be Cork and Jay signing new contracts when both are 33, where is the promised youth, we're in danger of continuing a failed policy of keeping players past their best, and if we do keep Cork. Jay and Mee, that has to be balanced by recruiting youth and pace, which is something we've lacked for far too long.
I suspect some are waking up to the realities of the biggest most competitive league in the world.
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Re: Jack Cork
Need a smattering of experience and class to help the youth we will hopefully also have. Cheapish signings like Cork, Jay and hopefully Mee would be of massive benefit. I would extend Hennessey too and do some kind of deal with Vydra if he returns by Christmas (his hopes of a rebirth elsewhere obviously affected).
But we also need half a dozen new players of the likes of Collins and Roberts, but it is unrealistic to have more, because they cost and also need leadership alongside, as Collins proved yesterday (not knocking him, he assisted the goal after all).
But we also need half a dozen new players of the likes of Collins and Roberts, but it is unrealistic to have more, because they cost and also need leadership alongside, as Collins proved yesterday (not knocking him, he assisted the goal after all).
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Re: Jack Cork
Great news
Shows Jacks commitment to Burnley
Thanks Jack
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Shows Jacks commitment to Burnley
Thanks Jack
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Given the numbers of experienced players we are likely to lose then we do need to keep a core of these to contribute over the season. Doesn’t mean we don’t need to strengthen and add youth, but someone as experienced as Jack will be valuable.tiger76 wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 11:22 amYes if this is confirmed, that'll be Cork and Jay signing new contracts when both are 33, where is the promised youth, we're in danger of continuing a failed policy of keeping players past their best, and if we do keep Cork. Jay and Mee, that has to be balanced by recruiting youth and pace, which is something we've lacked for far too long.
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Re: Jack Cork
If we have a spine of consistency
Rodriguez
Cork
Mee
Then it's better than a complete overhaul.
Rodriguez
Cork
Mee
Then it's better than a complete overhaul.
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Re: Jack Cork
Spot on. We need to find the right balance. Keep a small core group of OOC players and use those who leave as the opportunity to freshen things up and to bring the age of our squad down.ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 12:03 pmIf we have a spine of consistency
Rodriguez
Cork
Mee
Then it's better than a complete overhaul.
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Exactly this. Players than know the club, have attachments with fans and of course very good players at this level. This core is a must.ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 12:03 pmIf we have a spine of consistency
Rodriguez
Cork
Mee
Then it's better than a complete overhaul.
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Re: Jack Cork
If we go into the Championship with the same midfield as we ended this season, then I don't hold out much hope for our chances. Yes they will have more time on the ball, however all that will do is allow them to aim at the big man up front a bit more accurately. None of them have the skill or pace to beat a man or can pick a pass for a forward to run on to, their goals and assists figures are beyond an embarrassment and are in need of an overhaul.
The bar is being set very low if a 1 year extension for Cork is seen as a good move.
The bar is being set very low if a 1 year extension for Cork is seen as a good move.
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Realistically apart from Tarks, Mee, Cork and Vydra, the rest of the OOC players should go and that includes/included Rodriguez. If we wouldn't have resigned them after staying up then we shouldn't re-sign them going down.
Too many posters advocating keeping the old guard because it's "cheaper" but the teams that go down carrying aging journeymen start heading one way.
There's more than enough decent free contract players out there. Joe Rothwell at Rovers, John Swift at Reading, Jedd Wallace at Millwall should be 3 we sign straight away.
Too many posters advocating keeping the old guard because it's "cheaper" but the teams that go down carrying aging journeymen start heading one way.
There's more than enough decent free contract players out there. Joe Rothwell at Rovers, John Swift at Reading, Jedd Wallace at Millwall should be 3 we sign straight away.
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Re: Jack Cork
I'll be pleased with this. Cork is a quality player. I'd add one more over 30 - Barnes - and then find some youth and frees.
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Re: Jack Cork
We're not entirely as skint as folk think though.
We've got very good saleable assets that won't be staying with us anyway, Pope & Cornet is easily 30 million and that's being on the low side.
We'll have the ability to fund signings as long as we're able to pay this loan (from our outgoings).
The end isn't in sight, no, this is the beginning of a new era.
We've got very good saleable assets that won't be staying with us anyway, Pope & Cornet is easily 30 million and that's being on the low side.
We'll have the ability to fund signings as long as we're able to pay this loan (from our outgoings).
The end isn't in sight, no, this is the beginning of a new era.
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Re: Jack Cork
With our finances we will be very reliant on free signings.randomclaret2 wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 11:15 amMaybe its just me but I find it hard to get too excited over 33 year old signing new contracts...We've done all this for the last few years and look where it's ended up.
We have a lot of out of contract players.
Those out of contract players will be amongst the better free signings available at Championship level, regardless of age.
You cannot overhaul a team in one window, or one season, with no money. Too many bodies needed, you're paying a fortune or taking a huge gamble relying on others castoffs.
A one year renewal even with his age is therefore probably close to the best CM deal we can do this summer- I'm not saying it's good enough. It's not. But our resources aren't either.
If you're disappointed by this you're going to be very disappointed by our summer window. We will struggle with the position we're in. Cork may not be the last renewal.
Unfortunately, I think the renewal we most needed- Ben Mee- might not happen now.
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Re: Jack Cork
would be great news.
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Good news but If you think we’ll have more time on the ball in the Championship, then you haven’t watched it. Far more frenetic than the PL and Cork will give us the calm head we need in midfield.
Cork was excellent yesterday but we need to add pace and creativity alongside him
Cork was excellent yesterday but we need to add pace and creativity alongside him
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Re: Jack Cork
We could do with a matching youngster / younger player for each of those positions.ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 12:03 pmIf we have a spine of consistency
Rodriguez
Cork
Mee
Then it's better than a complete overhaul.
For Mee, it's Collins.
For Cork we can hopefully add another younger player but Brownhill has the legs for the Championship.
For Jay, perhaps Weghourst can do what Mitrovic has done this season (if he stays). His scoring record in the Bundesliga suggests there's a good striker there if we can make it work.
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Re: Jack Cork
Jed Wallace and Swift from Reading available on a free.Rowls wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 1:26 pmWe could do with a matching youngster / younger player for each of those positions.
For Mee, it's Collins.
For Cork we can hopefully add another younger player but Brownhill has the legs for the Championship.
For Jay, perhaps Weghourst can do what Mitrovic has done this season (if he stays). His scoring record in the Bundesliga suggests there's a good striker there if we can make it work.
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It would be good news. We have a huge over haul about to happen, for that to be successful you have to maintain some sort of a spine. Cork has shown he is still competitive and he is an addition to any squad at our new level. Alexander showed he could still do to well into his 30s as he had a brain and competitive streak, I see no reason Cork can’t. Leaders are worth their weight in gold on the championship and he’s a leader. We are also going to need to invest in other areas so this is a plus for me.
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Shows Jack's commitment to his wage packet.
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Re: Jack Cork
Good solid signing for 12 months.
Said in another thread, if we can keep a back 4 of Roberts, Collins , Mee & Taylor with Browhill & Cork in front of them we’ll be defensively solid. Cork will sit, Brownhill will be a box to box.
It’s the attacking areas we’ll need suitable replacements. We don’t create enough.
If we keep hold of McNeil & Cornet we’d give anyone a game but sadly think everyone can see them leaving.
Bring the U23 through as well, definitely would like to see Bobby Thomas as the 3rd choice centre back. Richardson as 3rd choice striker.
Said in another thread, if we can keep a back 4 of Roberts, Collins , Mee & Taylor with Browhill & Cork in front of them we’ll be defensively solid. Cork will sit, Brownhill will be a box to box.
It’s the attacking areas we’ll need suitable replacements. We don’t create enough.
If we keep hold of McNeil & Cornet we’d give anyone a game but sadly think everyone can see them leaving.
Bring the U23 through as well, definitely would like to see Bobby Thomas as the 3rd choice centre back. Richardson as 3rd choice striker.
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Re: Jack Cork
You’re showing you’ve absolutely no idea with comments like this. Jack Cork is a top top human being and on top of that he’s a decent footballer too.
Players add to the group in more ways than playing on a pitch.
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Re: Jack Cork
Don't agree that for Mee, Collins is the matching youngsterRowls wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 1:26 pmWe could do with a matching youngster / younger player for each of those positions.
For Mee, it's Collins.
For Cork we can hopefully add another younger player but Brownhill has the legs for the Championship.
For Jay, perhaps Weghourst can do what Mitrovic has done this season (if he stays). His scoring record in the Bundesliga suggests there's a good striker there if we can make it work.
Collins was always the replacement for Tarky, and as we've seen, we don't have anybody to come in for Mee and this is where we have struggled.
We tried it with Gibson, but as an already established player, he wanted to play more regularly
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Bobby Thomas was always highly rated by Dyche (who to be fair has picked up a number of good CBs). Bobby Thomas has also played and scored in a few cup games so could be ready to step up further if Ben stays and can’t play twice per week.
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Re: Jack Cork
not playing Jack is the biggest reason we have dropped.
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Re: Jack Cork
No, maybe I didn't explain properly. They're not the replacements; they're each a pair consisting of an older, wiser player and younger player to play alongside them, learn their trade and provide a bit more in the engine department.wilks_bfc wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 2:51 pmDon't agree that for Mee, Collins is the matching youngster
Collins was always the replacement for Tarky, and as we've seen, we don't have anybody to come in for Mee and this is where we have struggled.
We tried it with Gibson, but as an already established player, he wanted to play more regularly
Collins is Mee's younger player and they are a pair to play together.
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Re: Jack Cork
If we can keep a centre back pairing of Mee and Collins in the Championship we have two centrebacks who are international standard (or close) playing in the 2nd tier.
We've got enough talent at our disposal to bounce straight back.
We need a few intelligent additions in playing staff (we'll most likely lose a few players) but most importantly we need a fantastic manager to bind everything together and get us playing as an organized team.
We've got enough talent at our disposal to bounce straight back.
We need a few intelligent additions in playing staff (we'll most likely lose a few players) but most importantly we need a fantastic manager to bind everything together and get us playing as an organized team.
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Funny how when he was on his way back from injury, foll said he was past it!
Very much integral. Reads game very well.
Very much integral. Reads game very well.
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Re: Jack Cork
Probably the biggest reasons for the relegation are the lack of Cork in the team for much of the season along with the associated inability to play to the teams strengths (as we did occasionally like at Brighton).
This signing is great news.
This signing is great news.
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Isnt this just exercising the option there is in his contract until 2023 rather than a new one?
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Probably, but we don’t know whose option the extra year was. A good signing, done early; keeping the spine of the team is vital for a quick start next season.
All the talk of managerial interviews needs to be proven with a managerial appointment THIS WEEK. We have no time for counting our bruises every minute counts now to be ready and raring to go to put ourselves back on an upward trajectory.
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Re: Jack Cork
Not sure if his legs will cut it another season.
Imo the championship has less quality than the prem, but most teams play, and move the ball faster.
I do agree that our chances would have been better if Jack had been fit all season, and if SD had used him more when he came back.
If its true he had an extra year, then good luck k to the man, he always gives 100%.
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Imo the championship has less quality than the prem, but most teams play, and move the ball faster.
I do agree that our chances would have been better if Jack had been fit all season, and if SD had used him more when he came back.
If its true he had an extra year, then good luck k to the man, he always gives 100%.
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Re: Jack Cork
Happy with this
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Re: Jack Cork
I’m just hoping it’s true mate. Haven’t seen it anywhere else.
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Re: Jack Cork
I'm not sure the Championship IS faster at all. It looks it be asked in the Prem players appear to have more time on the ball because they're, well, better players
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There's a lot more huffing and puffing in the championship where teams make up with effort what they lack in control, but we won't find ourselves being passed to death like we have been in just about every game for six straight years, which will help us. I think the championship's reputation for being physically gruelling comes a lot from the way clubs carry comparatively shallower squads than most PL clubs, who can have internationals sitting on the bench for half the season, coupled with the fact that that smaller rotation of 'first teamers' have more fixtures to play than PL clubs.
There might be more aimless running in the championship a la dog-chasing-crisp-packet, but every position on the field in the PL is played with more intensity than in the championship. Cork really made a noticeable difference in the few games he played this season by giving us a bit more control in possession. He should be good value for another year where he can focus on being a passing metronome a lot more than he was in the PL, where his main role was to shield the defence for 70% of the game. We signed Barton to play in the championship at a similar age and it was a perfect signing. Signed Alexander at an even older age. Good bit of business to keep Cork around for a bit longer, I think.
There might be more aimless running in the championship a la dog-chasing-crisp-packet, but every position on the field in the PL is played with more intensity than in the championship. Cork really made a noticeable difference in the few games he played this season by giving us a bit more control in possession. He should be good value for another year where he can focus on being a passing metronome a lot more than he was in the PL, where his main role was to shield the defence for 70% of the game. We signed Barton to play in the championship at a similar age and it was a perfect signing. Signed Alexander at an even older age. Good bit of business to keep Cork around for a bit longer, I think.
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